Russians Still Skeptical About U.S. Moon Landing

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JIM HEINTZ | 07/19/09 02:01 PM | AP

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FILE - In this July 20, 1969 file photo, Astronaut Edwin E. "Buzz" Aldrin Jr. poses for a photograph beside the U.S. flag deployed on the moon during the Apollo 11 mission. (AP Photo/Neil Armstrong, NASA, file)

MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union – the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later, the memory of that loss of primacy still seems to sting the Russian soul. When state TV channel Rossiya reported last week on the restoration of video footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing, the account gave a lot of attention to dubious conspiracy theories that the landing was faked.

"In the United States, more than anywhere else, they are sure of the believability of the steps on the moon," the report said, adding that Armstrong keeps a very low profile. "This also seems strange to many people."

For a dozen years before the July 20, 1969, moon landing, Moscow racked up an extraordinary array of superlatives. It was the first to send a craft into orbit, with the Sputnik satellite in 1957. The first human to go into outer space was Russian Yuri Gagarin in 1961. Moscow sent the woman into space, Valentina Tereshkova in 1963; and Alexei Leonov was the first person to venture outside a spacecraft into the endless cosmos, in 1965.

Russia even got to the moon first when the unmanned Luna 2 crashed in 1959. But the drama of the first human footprint on an extraterrestrial body eclipsed everything the Soviets had worked so hard to achieve.

"Beginning with the first flight with a primitive capsule, and then getting to the moon, it was a great achievement for humanity," Russian astronaut Sergei Krikalev said.

"Of course, we would have liked to see the first man on the moon be Soviet, Russian, but that's life ... Our own achievements were very many," he told Associated Press Television News.

In the 40 years since the Apollo 11 landing, the USSR and Russia, which inherited the Soviet legacy, shot ahead of the United States occasionally only to fall further behind.

The Soviet Union put the first space station into orbit with the Salyut 1 in 1971. However, the first crew couldn't get aboard because of docking problems. Another three-man crew later got aboard, but died when a valve failed on the capsule bringing them back to Earth.

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Then there was the Mir -- the first space station fit for long-term habitation. It achieved early glory. But that quickly faded after 1991, when the Soviet collapse choked off funding for the space program and the Mir suffered a series of accidents, including a collision and fires that tuned it into a symbol of danger and decay.

Earthlings scanned the sky nervously on the day in 2001 when the 140-ton craft plunged to its fiery end. Luckily, it landed in the Pacific Ocean.

In recent years, Russia's space program has earned as a workhorse rather than a racehorse – reliable, cooperative, even stolid.

Its cramped Soyuz manned capsules and unmanned Progress cargo ships had already served as the lifeline to the International Space Station for more than two years when the United States grounded its space shuttles in 2003, after the Columbia disintegrated on re-entry. The Russian space program will once again be the gatekeepers to the orbiting laboratory in 2010, when the shuttle fleet is grounded for good.

That doesn't mean Russia has lost its ambitions for primacy in space.

The U.S. is busy planning to replace the shuttles. But last year, Russia awarded contracts for design of its own next-generation spaceship to replace the Soyuz. The competing efforts could trigger a new space race.

Russian space officials meanwhile still seem to be dreaming about winning the next stage of the space race.

They keep talk in tantalizing terms about mounting a manned mission to Mars, although they say that would take at least another 20 years to get off the ground.

"I think this is fine. It's like sports – at one stage one person wins, at another it's somebody else," said Krikalev.

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APTN producer Vika Buravchenko in Moscow contributed to this report.

MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union – the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later...
MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union – the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later...
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"Russians Still Skeptical About U.S. Moon Landing"

They're not alone by a long-shot, most of the world is skeptical about it as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 07/19/2009
- talkingdog I'm a Fan of talkingdog 24 fans permalink
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There was a 1970's Hollywood made for TV movie on this theroy of the moon landing having been filmed in a desert studio,...­.who knows....?

Being a child then and seeing it on TV,....one believes their parents, the teacher and the priest,...­so it must be true.

We know don't we that the government lies about things.

That's why if they're caught lying, THEY (government officials) most especially should be prosecuted if they're caught telling lies about government activity. Sure the punishment should fit the crime.

If you tell lies to go to war, where people die,......­..the penalty should be more harsh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/19/2009
- Feanor I'm a Fan of Feanor 9 fans permalink

Yeah, all those thousands of people working in Houston, Huntsville, the Cape, they were all in on it.... . pfffffft

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 07/19/2009
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For all it's faults, the ISS has proven that humans can cooperate on big projects.

We need an International Space Agency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/19/2009
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And now, from the LRO, we have pictures of the landing sites, complete with astronauts' foot path.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 07/19/2009
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match the apollo 14 photo taken by the LRO to the lunar traverse map.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/slidesets/apollolanding/ApolloLanding/slide_19.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 07/20/2009

Did you see the way Putin treated Obama what a jerk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/19/2009
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Sounds like the people on this thread do not believe the moon landings either. I guess when your government misleads you , spins and lies about so much. Its hard to take them seriously on things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/19/2009

Very good point.
I really enjoyed the Mythbusters episode on the moon landing, their verdict was Confirmed. I appreciate that it is most likely true that the US put men on the moon, but the MOTIVE to create the hoax was so enormous it has always given me pause.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 07/19/2009
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Is this a throw back to Ensign Chekov on the bridge of the Star ship Enterprise. always saying the Russians had invented everything before the US?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 07/19/2009
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Okay, where in that entire article was there anything about Russians being skeptical? Quite the opposite, actually.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 07/19/2009
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A friend of mine from West Virginia once told me "I come where they think wrestling is real and the moon landing was fake".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 07/19/2009
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Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 07/19/2009
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A lot of older people (deceased from old age today) did not believe the Moon landing. Part of it was they could not understand the technology. But another part was - they were not "born yesterday.­" I saw it live as a kid, on hindsight, for one, there were a lot of impossible camera angles. I remember "Grandma Ida B." declaring - "aint no man landed on no moon. Look!" contemporaneously. Perhaps NASA of that time "enhanced" the viewing experience - but it led to the conspiracy theories which exist to this day. (Missing original video does not help.)

Regardless, it's a shame "we went there" & never did anything about it. A lot of blood and treasure was spent & we have nothing to show for it. Except "Tang" and space blankets (and those horrible space-brea­kfast-tube­s many of us remember.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 07/19/2009
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You couldn't be more wrong and your memory couldn't be pointing in more wrong of a direction.
It was precisely the adults of that time, better educated and better informed, who DID understand that the Moon Landing was a real event.
It's people from today's era who don't understand the technology.
And by the way, NASA didn't "enhance anything".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 07/19/2009
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Interesting. You somehow know when people are wrong about something that none of us were directly involved in. Even more interesting, you know that urnumbersix's memory is wrong on the matter. AND you know that NASA didn't enhance anything. Is there anything you don't know? Because I have alot of questions for you sir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 07/19/2009
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Lol. F the Russians.

They're about as relevant as the modern day RepubilKan Party. At the very least they have the same tenuous grasp on reality.

http://kennethmarkhoover.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 07/19/2009
- sasson I'm a Fan of sasson 21 fans permalink

The Russians are very relevant. Someone sitting on the level of natural resources that they do is always relevant in today's world. Likewise, don't get cocky and count the Republicans out. I don't know if you are just young, but the one thing you can always count on in American politics is for the pendulum to swing.

Arrogance did the Republicans no favors, don't fall into their trap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 07/19/2009

The Russians are very relevant in today's geopolitical complexities, make no mistake about that. As far as the Republican party being irrelevant, it's attitudes like yours that will perpetuate their return to political prominence. An enemy may be defeated, he will however never be vanquished and will always, always strive for get back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 07/19/2009
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I think there is a huge possibility of a conspiracy here. Sure, it's a story that has gotten attention and support over many years, largely because Americans like to think we are the best and first at everything, even when we are not. Suppose the landing was a fake. I think that if the US had not faked it, the Russians would have.

Just think how gullible we are about everything. We Americans don't even like to look at pictures of wounded soldiers, let alone photos of soldiers with their body parts blown off. Why? Because we'd rather comfortably brainwash ourselves into thinking that no one gets hurt over there, because then we don't have to feel guilty about it. Look at the Holocaust. How that was kept from the public for so long, and millions of people were murdered. We believe what we want to believe, no matter how outrageous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 07/19/2009
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Really good points. But by the same token we need to consider other possible scenarios as well. What if, for example, we did land on the moon and found something there that didn't "belong"?

Sgt. Karl Wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcwmjUdGWDA

w/ Dana Hare (ex-NASA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tinUhv-eiAw

If these whistle blowers are legit, we can easily surmise the following:

We DID land on the moon in 1969. NASA gathered an enormous amount of footage (45 tapes), which to human-kind's surprise, recorded structures, bases, etc. that clearly should not have been there. The implications of this would be enormous. So, what they needed to do was film a fake moon-landing in a studio so that they'd have something "clean" to show to the world. After all, there was no way to digitally remove anything back in '69. This would expalin some of those debatable anomalies in the photos. This would also explain why NASA has recently insulted our intelligence by trying to say the original footage was taped over by someone, somehow. Sure, the very reason for their existence comes to fruition, and the visual recording of it is "accidentally" wiped out by some dude taping over it! As if NASA's budget didn't allow for a virtual endless supply of tapes.

Just a theory of course,but I think it makes a lot more sense than anything we're told by the discredited MSM and their bureaucratic dictators of "fact".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/19/2009
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Why is it so difficult for Russia to take a satellite photo of the location where we had first landed? The flag and footprints should still be there. If not, they prove their point. Seems pretty easy to do given our technology now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 07/19/2009
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For the same reason we never were never shown one of the 80+ security camera shots of flight 77 hitting the pentagon. When a myth like this is established, there are many roadblocks to the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/19/2009

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) that was launched on June 18 has already taken photos of all but one of the landing sites.

http://www.space.com/news/090717-lro-apollo11-images.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/19/2009
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consperacy nuts dont care for "facts" when they have infrances and stuff they made up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 07/20/2009
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Oooh gee, that looks JUST LIKE a lunar module. Incredible! And.... what's that?..... why.... can those be footprints? Must be,... it's so clear. And golly,.... we can even see SCIENTIFIC INTSTRUMENTS. Neat-O

You gotta love how they assume that the term "Scientific Instruments" is a sufficient description. What, are we 12? Maybe some of us would be interested in knowing what those instruments are actually called. I'm surprised they didn't call the LM a "spaceship".

Here's a queston. Is there a higher resolution image of this somewhere? Just curious because somehow they are able to identify what they claim are the astronaut's footprints. How is that possible given the poor resolution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 07/20/2009

The Russians not only 'won' the space race, but they currently just about own the rooms upstairs.

America is quick to point to the moon landings as the day they won the space race and the ISS as a long term trophy but, who routinely supplies the ISS?

Sure, the moon landings were a standout, but its a bit like America is the first person to climb a high mountain while just over the other side, the Russkies have a 6-lane highway that goes within 100ft of the summit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 07/19/2009
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they have got to get over this already. But you've got to remember, their best is behind them now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 07/19/2009
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