Russians Still Skeptical About U.S. Moon Landing

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JIM HEINTZ | 07/19/09 02:01 PM | AP

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FILE - In this July 20, 1969 file photo, Astronaut Edwin E. "Buzz" Aldrin Jr. poses for a photograph beside the U.S. flag deployed on the moon during the Apollo 11 mission. (AP Photo/Neil Armstrong, NASA, file)

MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union – the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later, the memory of that loss of primacy still seems to sting the Russian soul. When state TV channel Rossiya reported last week on the restoration of video footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing, the account gave a lot of attention to dubious conspiracy theories that the landing was faked.

"In the United States, more than anywhere else, they are sure of the believability of the steps on the moon," the report said, adding that Armstrong keeps a very low profile. "This also seems strange to many people."

For a dozen years before the July 20, 1969, moon landing, Moscow racked up an extraordinary array of superlatives. It was the first to send a craft into orbit, with the Sputnik satellite in 1957. The first human to go into outer space was Russian Yuri Gagarin in 1961. Moscow sent the woman into space, Valentina Tereshkova in 1963; and Alexei Leonov was the first person to venture outside a spacecraft into the endless cosmos, in 1965.

Russia even got to the moon first when the unmanned Luna 2 crashed in 1959. But the drama of the first human footprint on an extraterrestrial body eclipsed everything the Soviets had worked so hard to achieve.

"Beginning with the first flight with a primitive capsule, and then getting to the moon, it was a great achievement for humanity," Russian astronaut Sergei Krikalev said.

"Of course, we would have liked to see the first man on the moon be Soviet, Russian, but that's life ... Our own achievements were very many," he told Associated Press Television News.

In the 40 years since the Apollo 11 landing, the USSR and Russia, which inherited the Soviet legacy, shot ahead of the United States occasionally only to fall further behind.

The Soviet Union put the first space station into orbit with the Salyut 1 in 1971. However, the first crew couldn't get aboard because of docking problems. Another three-man crew later got aboard, but died when a valve failed on the capsule bringing them back to Earth.

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Then there was the Mir -- the first space station fit for long-term habitation. It achieved early glory. But that quickly faded after 1991, when the Soviet collapse choked off funding for the space program and the Mir suffered a series of accidents, including a collision and fires that tuned it into a symbol of danger and decay.

Earthlings scanned the sky nervously on the day in 2001 when the 140-ton craft plunged to its fiery end. Luckily, it landed in the Pacific Ocean.

In recent years, Russia's space program has earned as a workhorse rather than a racehorse – reliable, cooperative, even stolid.

Its cramped Soyuz manned capsules and unmanned Progress cargo ships had already served as the lifeline to the International Space Station for more than two years when the United States grounded its space shuttles in 2003, after the Columbia disintegrated on re-entry. The Russian space program will once again be the gatekeepers to the orbiting laboratory in 2010, when the shuttle fleet is grounded for good.

That doesn't mean Russia has lost its ambitions for primacy in space.

The U.S. is busy planning to replace the shuttles. But last year, Russia awarded contracts for design of its own next-generation spaceship to replace the Soyuz. The competing efforts could trigger a new space race.

Russian space officials meanwhile still seem to be dreaming about winning the next stage of the space race.

They keep talk in tantalizing terms about mounting a manned mission to Mars, although they say that would take at least another 20 years to get off the ground.

"I think this is fine. It's like sports – at one stage one person wins, at another it's somebody else," said Krikalev.

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APTN producer Vika Buravchenko in Moscow contributed to this report.

MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union – the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later...
MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union – the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later...
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- Freenation I'm a Fan of Freenation 25 fans permalink

who cares what Russians think, we beat them they are acting like losers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/19/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 23 fans permalink
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Yeah, who cares what anyone thinks? We won, we're the best. USA! USA!

Now give me another beer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 07/19/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 140 fans permalink

NASA has reported that their latest lunar orbiter is capable of taking pictures of the remnants left at the Apollo lunar landing sites. That should pretty well seal the deal for most people. Seeing orbital pictures of parts of LEMs, the rovers, and the tracks of the rovers, should convince even the most diehard skeptics that humans really did go to the moon 40 years ago.

That we have lost the technological capability to repeat the missions is another topic for discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/19/2009

Anyone who doubts the veracity of the moon landings is lacking a third digit in their IQ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 07/19/2009

Russia's space program is like their military: a nonentity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 07/19/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 23 fans permalink
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And you know this how?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 07/19/2009

Actually they are one of only three nations in the history of human civilization to send people into space, and one of only two to do so on a routine basis. I don't understand how you can possibly think your comment is accurate. They are doing something that only two other countries in the entire world are currently capable of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 07/19/2009
- antiprop1 I'm a Fan of antiprop1 4 fans permalink
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Arrogant attitudes like yours did in Napoleon's Grand Army and Hitler's Wehrmacht. Underestimate Russia's military strength at your nation's peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/19/2009

You clearly don't know much about the history of space programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/20/2009
- yankees I'm a Fan of yankees 18 fans permalink

Next your going to tell me there is Santa Clause!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/19/2009

Go to any observatory with a powerful laser, 1 gigawatt will do.

Use the laser on any of these Lunar Coordinates:
Latitude: 0.67337 Longitude: 23.47293 (Apollo 11)
Latitude: -3.64421 Longitude: -17.47880 (Apollo 14)
Latitude: 26.13333 Longitude: 3.62837 (Apollo 15)

If something comes back, watch the conspiracy theorists cry.
If there is no spike in the light reading, adjust your angle a little bit.
RAND corporation states that there is a margin of error of 1 meter to 5 meters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 07/19/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 82 fans permalink
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What'll they get a reflection off of? Neil Armstrong's lead underwear?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 07/19/2009
- ykk9 I'm a Fan of ykk9 2 fans permalink
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The lunar landers lelf prismatic reflectors at the landing sites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 07/19/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 23 fans permalink
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Everyone should be skeptical of everything. If we are not, then we have chosen what to believe based on faith. This is fine, as long as you have nothing against organized religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 07/19/2009

I've wondered fo some time now that with the developments in camera/telescope technology, is it possible to zoom in on the moon to such a degree where the landings took place in order to see the things we left behind? Nothing will shut up the dogmatists looking for validation, but it could prove once and for all what happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 07/19/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 230 fans permalink
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I was thinking the same thing this morning. Use Hubble to snap a few picks of the left behind Rovers or bottom half of the LEMs.

Then they'll claim those are a fabrication too. There's no point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 07/19/2009
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The arc of this article doesn't do justice to the headline, however sensationally extracted from the paragraph condensing what the article purports to be about. This article is about a most courageous and honorable space program that the Russians admirably accomplished, but have been made to feel has been overshadowed by the US moon landing, which can be seen as true, but not as much for those educated, as this article is indicative of a push for, the facts of Russia's immense and invaluable contribution to our reaching out beyond our planet. Credit where credit is due, and the detailed history of Russian space achievements should be as honorably chronicled in global learning institutions on par with the US or any other country's similar 'giant leaps for mankind'. In the future these myriad acts will boil down to singular leaps of progress, touchstone breakthroughs. Russia is simply saying, don't forget about everything we've done, and rightfully so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 07/19/2009
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not only that, but it generalizes Russians absurdly. This is an absurdly, sensationally titled piece.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 07/19/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 114 fans permalink
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This is what Americans think:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/07/17/moon.landing.hoax/index.html

A poll shows 6 percent of Americans believe the Apollo moon landings were faked

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 07/19/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 140 fans permalink

Polls have shown that most Americans don't believe in the theory of evolution.
46% of Americans voted for the McCain/Palin ticket; how scary is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/19/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 114 fans permalink
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Both are scary.. but I was somewhat pleasantly surprised that not more people disbelieved the moon landings.
I expected at least 20%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 07/19/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 23 fans permalink
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That just means that 94% of Americans CHOOSE to believe that we went to the moon. They are just expressing good faith in the information that is available to them, and good faith in the messengers that provide the information.

Just because the vast majority believes something, that doesn't make in anymore likely to be true. I would wager that the vast majority spends little time, if any, researching the topics they believe in. Meaning, gathering info from both sides of an argument and considering the merits of each. The majority of Americans get their news and information via mainstream media which is owned by 5 major corporations. So if there is any sort of attempt to mold public opinion, the apparatus is in place.

So that poll (if truly accurate) is more of a reflection of our societies herd mentality, and desire to conform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 07/19/2009
- jamiso I'm a Fan of jamiso 7 fans permalink

much like I choose to believe I live on earth and am not in an elaborate zoo on Gelgamak.

You do understand that the moon rocks and dust brought back from these trips (yes, they went several times, not counting the ill fated apollo 13) are what astronomers currently use to study the effects and changes of the sun....
just sayin.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 07/20/2009
- LMPE I'm a Fan of LMPE 68 fans permalink

Everyone's entitled to believe what they want.

Walter Cronkite (RIP) considered the moon landing the defining moment of the 20th century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 07/19/2009
- deluk I'm a Fan of deluk 15 fans permalink
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Quite right, it is THE great achievement of the USA, impossible to deride.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 07/19/2009
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It changed nothing. We still have Cancer, Child abuse, Poverty, Bigotry, Murder. Want me to go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 07/19/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 23 fans permalink
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He also considered it very important that we have a "world government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws". and that "Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty".

To anyone who thinks this is a good idea, just imagine another GWB character coming along and being (s)elected President of the World.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 07/19/2009
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