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Hillary Clinton, Indian Official Clash Over Climate Change Efforts

ROBERT BURNS   07/20/09 01:59 PM ET   AP

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NEW DELHI — Setting a new path for cooperation with India, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday the two nations agreed on ways to expand U.S. defense and civilian nuclear sales, while acknowledging "different perspectives" on other issues such as climate change.

Clinton and Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna, in a joint appearance following a day of high-level talks, pledged that future U.S.-Indian discussions would encompass a much wider scope of issues to include energy security, education, agriculture reform and counterterrorism. Clinton said it would be a "forum for action," not just talk among government leaders and bureaucrats.

"We will work not just to maintain our good relationship, but to broaden and deepen it," she told an evening news conference. "And to that end our governments have agreed to a strategic dialogue," Clinton said. She said that would include not just government officials but also business leaders, scientists, social activists, academics, leaders of charitable foundations, educators and entrepreneurs.

Krishna said the two reaffirmed a commitment to "resist the threat from the scourge of terrorism."

The expressions of goodwill on both sides stand in contrast to sharp differences on carbon emissions and whether India should be part of an international agreement setting legally binding limits on its emissions. An Indian official told Clinton in blunt terms Sunday that India won't accept such limits – a stance that jeopardizes Obama administration efforts to get a meaningful climate change accord.

At her news conference with Krishna, Clinton alluded to those divisions.

"Each of our countries, as you would expect, has different perspectives about the problems we face and how we will solve them," she said. "But as the oldest democracy and the largest democracy in the world we believe we can work through these differences in our perspectives and focus on shared objectives and concrete results."

Clinton said her talks Monday finalized two agreements. One is an Indian designation of two sites on which U.S. companies would have exclusive rights to sell civilian nuclear power reactors. That could be worth an estimated $10 billion in U.S. sales. The other deal is designed to allow the U.S. to ensure that technology in sensitive American defense items purchased by India are not transferred to third countries.

"We want to broaden and deepen our strategic understanding" and find more common ground with India, Clinton told an audience of several hundred students and faculty members at Delhi University earlier Monday.

Her trip has not gone strictly according to script: she and an Indian official had a blunt exchange on the U.S. push for India accept binding limits on carbon emissions.

Even as Clinton expressed optimism about an eventual climate change deal to India's benefit, its minister of environment and forests, Jairam Ramesh, told her: "There is simply no case for the pressure that we – who have among the lowest emissions per capita – face to actually reduce emissions."

"And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours," he added.

U.S. officials had expected the discussions to focus more on cooperation in related areas of energy efficiency, green buildings and clean-burning fuels.

Clinton said that Ramesh had presented a "fair argument." But she also said that India's case "loses force" because the fast-growing country's absolute level of carbon emissions – as opposed to the per capita amount – is "going up, and dramatically."

Later, at an agricultural research site in a farm field outside the capital, Clinton told reporters she is optimistic about getting a climate change deal that will satisfy India.

"This is part of a negotiation," she said. "It's part of a give-and-take and it's multilateral, which makes it even more complex. But until proven otherwise, I'm going to continue to speak out in favor of every country doing its part to deal with the challenge of global climate change."

Clinton also met Monday with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to discuss forging a more productive partnership between two countries still struggling to overcome profound distrust rooted in Cold War rivalries. The Obama administration regards India as an emerging world power and a key to turning the tide against violent Islamic extremism.

In her session with Singh, Clinton presented an Obama invitation for a state visit Nov. 24 and the prime minister accepted, Clinton aides said.

Clinton, on her fourth visit to India and her first as secretary of state, used her appearance at Delhi University to stress the importance of stepping beyond formal diplomacy to encourage U.S.-India contacts on other levels, including academic and business.

"We have to get to the real meat of the matter, and our cooperation will do that for us," she told her university audience.

On Wednesday Clinton was flying to Thailand for talks with senior government officials and to attend an international conference later in the week.

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10:30 PM on 07/21/2009
We've all been fed the lie that if the USA goes green, the rest of the world will follow suit.

That's obviously just a crock, because China and India want their chance to grow. What will happen is that government "green" regulations will make it harder for US businesses to function, driving business and jobs to the countries that aren't going to jump on the Al Gore bandwagon. All the smug greenies can sit in their electric cars, proud that they have achieved their goals, and ruined our country in the process.
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09:20 PM on 07/21/2009
Why pass a cap and TRADE bill to enrich Goldman Sachs. Just tax carbon. Why the focus on trade and enriching the brokers?
03:29 PM on 07/21/2009
A good source of information is the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information
Analysis Center.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/

According to CDIAC,
"With the world's second largest population and over one billion people, India's per capita emission rate for 2006 of 0.37 metric tons of carbon is well below the global average (1.25) and the smallest per capita rate of any country with fossil-fuel CO2 emissions exceeding 40 million metric tons of carbon".
Even the total emissions are 411914 thousand metric tonnes, is about a quarter of the U.S. emissions,1568806 thousand metric tonnes.

Note: These are 2006 figures.

Jairam Ramesh is highly educated and not a global-warming denier. I don't think any enlightened person in the Indian administration would deny the danger to India itself due to melting snows in the Himalayas. He merely did not want to sign on to a defined limit at this moment which would be impossible to implement, without causing untold suffering to millions.There are scores of other environmental issues for India to worry about as well, such as clean water.
It's just commonsense: It is easier and more fair for a person with 3 cars to give up one of them than an impoverished person to eat less or have a bath from a single bucket of water.
07:07 PM on 07/21/2009
"melting snows in the Himalayas. "

Do not be so glum. There are quite a few growing glaciers:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/05/05/himalayas-glaciers.html

As with the Andean glaciers, water, agriculture and forestry management is key.
03:25 PM on 07/22/2009
Thanks for the link. It made my day (sort of) until I got to the last line, that is. (It's not going to last). However, this does prove that all hope is probably not lost.
As for your last remark, whole-heartedly agree with that!
02:13 PM on 07/21/2009
If India's economy continued to grow at its current rate, in 20 years, its per capita CO2 emissions will be 1/7 that of US's current emissions.

Maybe Clinton should start by asking fellow Americans to dump their hummers and walk while going to their over sized energy guzzling malls. India meanwhile will focus on feeding and uplifting its poor.
08:43 PM on 07/20/2009
India and China have made it very clear that they have no intention of reducing their economic growth to slow global warming.....so, unfortunately we may be about to put a large bureaucratic weight around US industry, toss a few billions at Goldman Sachs to managing trading (seems like a favorite pass time in DC), and charge Americans a few hundred bucks each to accomplish basically nothing for the environment.
11:52 PM on 07/20/2009
Exactly.
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06:07 PM on 07/20/2009
This makes me pretty angry... first my company is bought out by an Indian company, and then - voila- all our US sites shut down and all our jobs (500 of them) are gone to India. I am not happy with them right now. Just say, " put up, or send all our jobs back to the US".
10:20 PM on 07/20/2009
"put up, or send all our jobs back to the US"

judiNJ, for one, I thought 'capitalism' was about letting market forces decide the direction of flow of capital. Secondly, most US jobs 'going' to India, are not sent as a charitable gesture by the US government to uplift Indians. These jobs go to India, China or Eastern Europe because the American companies decide after due diligence that it is more 'productive' (in terms of cost and accruing benefit) to have overseas workers perform those tasks.

Screaming 'bloody murder' and 'Send all our jobs back to the US, or else' in online discussion boards wont bring those jobs back to the US. So long as the American CEOs want Indians performing those jobs, the jobs will remain in India. Unfortunately, CEOs' views are the only views that count.

(Old timer would recall with ironic delight how the pesky lethargic Indians were lampooned in the Amerian media for their retrograde 'socialist' model patterned on the Soviets. The phrase 'Hindu rate of growth' used derisively by American economists comes to mind. Now that Indians are embracing the 'free market' medicine long espoused by self proclaimed American 'doctors', the Indians are now lampooned for stealing American jobs. Guess, we Indians can never win, can we?)
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12:53 PM on 07/21/2009
I see it very differently; instead of learning from America's environmental folly, you'd rather emulate that folly on a gander scale yet, consequences to our entire species be damned.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen
05:17 PM on 07/20/2009
That's rich. We are on the verge of passing an 'environmental' bill into law that is pumping money into the coal industry and does not call for a reduction in our emissions for many years and we are telling another country what they have to do.
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03:32 PM on 07/20/2009
He sees Obama pushing coal instead of Natural Gas in the US!

The climate bill will raise food prices.
It will stop many food exports.
Millions overseas will die!
03:29 PM on 07/20/2009
Was anyone paying attention, China India and many other developing countries said no.
We should respect their wishes, is it not our goal to respect other countries and how they do
business?
Is it not imperailist to do other wise?
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02:12 PM on 07/20/2009
The people who suffer most from climate change should be most inclined to fight it.
02:35 PM on 07/20/2009
Apparently they do not think they are suffering from climate change. Could it be they are NOT suffering from climate change?
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08:05 PM on 07/20/2009
Or could it be that the ruling castes of India willfully refuse to see the consequences on the horizon, science and empirical evidence be damned?

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen
01:21 PM on 07/20/2009
Pollution hurts all of us and is a global problem and should therefore require a global solution. In the Portland/Vancouver metro area we are tackling the problem with the Department of Environmental Quality that spans the metropolitan area of both states. It is quite effective with regard to cooperation between the two states. One would think that this is a model of cooperation between two entities and could be extended to the world.
01:00 PM on 07/20/2009
I propose we all live like the unibomber to save mankind.
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12:48 PM on 07/20/2009
"Mr. Ramesh's remarks were not disingenuous. They were spot on. India has a large population because it is a large country. Its density is similar to Japan and Israel - but it is much larger in size. America has a much lower density because it was a more recently inhabited. India has been inhabited since 3000BC.......
Luckily, India has a massive expat community in the US, and we will have our voices heard...."
You can turn the stats in U.S. favor because a first world country has dug their own grave... Why go to a 3rd world country and impose your capitalistic views? Show your favoritism to rogue nations not the Democratic nations.... what goes round comes around. Good luck Obama and Hill..
12:03 PM on 07/20/2009
It really doesn't get any better!
Hillary - let me apologise for global warming.
Hillary to India - you've got to cut CO2 emmissions.
India to Hillary - we will not!
Hillary to India - why not?
India to Hillary - because the US caused it!

Excellent!!!!
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12:57 PM on 07/20/2009
What brilliant logic; "America, you started global warming, so rather than being part of the solution, we're going to finish trashing the planetary atmosphere because we want all of the same pointless toys you have, so there! Nyaaa! Nyaa! Nyaaa!"

How old is this Indian official again? Five?

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

"Bobby got to play with matches and gasoline and light his hair on fire, so why can't I?!"
02:56 PM on 07/20/2009
Why don't you volunteer top travel over to India and tell them how wrong and screwed up they are? I am sure they would be delighted to hear it.
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11:36 AM on 07/20/2009
It is good to see that Obama is using one of his greatest assets to assure a successful presidency. It was a good and courageous move for Mrs. Clinton to begin her tour in Mumbai and to stay at the Raj hotel, the site of the terrorist carnage. Moreover, she gave her remarks on the balcony of that hotel, despite Indian security advice. Now, I know that we will be still hearing about ten-year old jokes which are the mainstay of that tired old Jay Leno, and Democratic primary stuff, but let's update it.