Internal RNC Memo: "Engage In Every Activity" To Slow Down Health Care Reform

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First Posted: 07-21-09 11:05 AM   |   Updated: 07-21-09 11:27 AM

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A private memo distributed by the Republican National Committee calls for like-minded advocates to help defeat President Barack Obama's health care proposals by delaying its consideration.

The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post from a Democratic source, provides the clearest illustration to date of the political playbook being used to stop Democratic attempts at a health care overhaul. Much of the material mirrors the speeches and presentations made by conservatives both inside and out of elected office to date. Obama's plan for health care is deemed an "experiment" and a "risk" that could bankrupt the country and dangerously change the doctor-patient relationship.

In particular, the 12-page memo makes the case that it is a Republican priority to slow down the consideration of health care reform before it can become codified.

"The Republican National Committee will engage in every activity we can to slow down this mad rush while promoting sensible alternatives that address health care costs and preserve quality," the memo affirmatively declares.

In an effort to buttress its claims, the RNC highlights internal polling it conducted from June 15 to 17, in which 56 percent of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for a congressional candidate who was a "check and balance" on the president's agenda. Thirty-five percent said they preferred a candidate who would help Obama.

"Every Republican should stand up for health care reform that controls cost, preserves quality and provides the health care that Americans deserve," the memo reads. "This means standing up against President Obama's health care plan. The Obama administration is acting with extreme haste, hoping to push through their health care experiment as fast as they can. Make no mistake -- their timeline is based on what works for them politically, not on what will result in the best health care policy for Americans. The reckless speed with which they are attempting to jam through this experiment is a grave threat to America's health care, and America's health."

In an effort to slow down reform, the RNC advises its advocates to use a whole host of political tools, from organizing town halls, to writing letters to the editor, to booking surrogates on radio and television, to engaging in "Street Theater" protests outside Democratic events. And in a bit of irony, the memo's authors encourage readers to frame the president as the one acting out of political motivations.

"Despite the president's increasingly skeptical reviews, it should also be noted that the Obama administration is fantastic at the PR game," the memo reads. "In some cases, they are even a little too good at it, selling things that are demonstrably untrue."

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"The president's PR team uses rhetoric to mask reality, and the White House spin machine is in overdrive trying to convince Americans as well as our nation's health care professionals that their plan is the cure for what ails us," it argues at another point. "Republicans will not allow the Democrats' rhetoric to define this debate."

As for a Republican alternative to the president's agenda, the RNC memo doesn't offer much in the way of details, save to make the argument that the status quo isn't as bad as it is being painted.

"The Republican Party knows we have the best health care system in the world," the memo declares. "The Republican Party also knows it is a system in need of reform because it is costing our families and our businesses too much."

In regard to specific talking points, the RNC Memo has nine of them:

* President Obama and Democrats are conducting a grand experiment with our economy, our country, and now our health care.


* President Obama's massive spending experiments have created more debt than at any other time in our nation's history.

* The President experimented with a $780 billion dollar budget-busting stimulus plan and unemployment is still rising. The President experimented with banks and auto companies, and now we're on the hook for tens of billions of dollars with no exit plan.

* Now the President is proposing more debt and more risk through a trillion dollar experiment with our health care.

* Democrats are proposing a government controlled health insurance system, which will control care, treatments, medicines and even what doctors a patient may see.

* This health care experiment will have consequences for generations, but President Obama and Democrats want to ram this legislation through Congress in two months.

* President Obama's health care experiment is too much, too fast, too soon. Our country cannot afford to fix health care through a rushed experiment.

* Americans want health care reform that addresses, not increases, cost or debt.

* Government takeover is the wrong way to go -- health care decisions should remain between the doctor and the patient.

Officials with the RNC did not immediately return a request for clarification or comment on the memo's subject matter. While documents like these commonly are passed around behind the scenes by like-minded partisans on both sides of the aisle they usually don't make their way into the public. At the very least, it provides an insight into how the Republican Party believes it can gain the upper hand, politically, in the current health care reform debate.


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"Obama's plan for health care is deemed an "experiment" and a "risk" that could bankrupt the country."

Gee, but the Iraq War was not a "risk" for the country and didn't "bankrupt" us? Give me a break. At 10B a month that this war has been costing us, we could all have had health care. Instead we have the Bush legacy of debt, death and destruction. Where were all the concerns and questions when we were lied into the war with trumped up intelligence? Repubs have never wanted to take care of the people. It has always been a party of greed and keeping it all for the privileged few. Look what that philosophy has done to this country. It has decimated the middle class, ruined the public school system and not kept up our countries infrastructure.

They want Obama to fail just so they can get back in power and continue their quest to make this a third world country. Everyone should be able to see this. The Repubs were against Social Security and Medicare but the ones I know love getting it now. When it lands in their bank account, it is a great thing indeed.

Obama needs to quit the Mr. Nice Guy stuff and just get the job done. Universal, single payer is exactly what we need but the lobbyists and insurance companies are fighting it tooth and nail. Ever wonder why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/21/2009
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Don't want to burst your bubble, but next years budget will be so large that we will be spending $11 billion per DAY if all this passes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 07/21/2009

This would not happen if there were no FICA or Medicare caps. Let the rich pay at the same rate they used to pay during Reagan.....Also, we could get rid of state comp programs, which is a huge drain on small businesses.

We could cut medical costs big time with a government program. The Medicare program only spends 3% on administering it, far less than by other means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 07/21/2009

And you may have to rethink about the bubble you live in if you visit the following site:
http://www.costofwar.com

$140 trillion - that's what we have been spending every year (in Iraq and in Afghanistan) - on an average. By the time you read this, it will have gone up some, but you get the picture.

I don't know about you, but I would rather spend on my health - which is linked to that of my colleagues, and my neighbors - than on needless killings. Everything that I know (and I know it all) tells me that violence can never be eliminated through violence. Historically, no terrorism has been dealt with effectively with military force. Not one example exists. People with brains learn from history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 07/21/2009
- plwood01 I'm a Fan of plwood01 18 fans permalink

What difference does it make? We will never get back the trillions we have spent in other countries...Afghanistan will be the same thing, we got tricked good on these alone...now, with all this killing going on, we don't have appropriate healthcare to even take care of the returning soldiers and we don't take care of the female soldiers, we don't take care of their children or their families kids, because we don't have an effective system of healthcare in this nation and we are fooling ourselves if we don't get this through, we can deal with tweaking it and all later, that is the way it used to be...public health clinics all over the place took care of people regardless of from where they came, it is a right, not an aspect of privilege...but the privileged do not see that because they are privileged and can pay for what they get. However, even the rich can get lower rate care based on the color of their skin or their gender. What kind of equality in 2009 is that from the men of this country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/21/2009
- plwood01 I'm a Fan of plwood01 18 fans permalink

The doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, pill pushers, lobbyists for all these groups and the GOP on just status quo principle are only interested in money...They do not care that the money is blood money, but like the Blood Diamonds, these people will fight until the end to stop the spreading of the wealth in this country because they are the ones who have it! My thoughts were that if the government can cover all its employees and the senators and congressman we could all be covered under that same plan! We are paying for them to have that coverage so why can't we have it also! It would seem to me to be the easiest way to get this done quickly and efficiently. President Obama mentioned that he did not mind the rest of us having the same plan they have in Congress so I do not know why they begrudge the public having what we are paying for? It is another of the underhanded and unequal ways that our representatives are actually biased against us, their employers...how does this make sense in any other situation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 07/21/2009

No shock at that memo. I've been completely nauseated by the embarrassingly obvious tactics being employed right now against President Obama, as he tries to lift this Country out of the shame of not caring for its own people. Every day in media for the past two weeks there have been breathless reports of how Obama is losing his "coolness", and how he's slipping, and how his health care proposal is falling out of favor. Wake up folks, do you think this is a coincidence that these articles from the likes of Beth Fouhy at AP are coming out now? Of course not.

We are witnessing the orchestrated dismantling of the President, by the media, in coordination with the GOP, the RNC, and the Insurance lobby. They are set to destroy this proposal to reform health care, but they are doing it by trying to destroy the reformers. They did this to Hillary Clinton, and they're doing it now. The big business and the RNC cannot allow average Americans to have health care.

Apparently being a Republican, and working for the republican-controlled media, and the RNC, means that you have zero embarrassment at the everyday occurrence of holding BAKE SALES and cars washes to pay for cancer surgery. Yeah.. that's something to be proud of all right. We're the only industrialized nation unwilling to ensure the health of its citizens, heck.. there are 3rd world countries that do more than we do for their people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 07/21/2009

AMEN, again........!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 07/21/2009

Oh here we go with the same old "compassion" argument. Otherwise known as "codependence". Why does the left confuse gov't programs as giving things TO people, instead of doing things FOR people.

This attitude has created nothing but dependence on gov't programs. Especially with health care. This is not an argument against Soc. Sec. or Medicare, per se, but you canot sustain these things over time, epsecially as a population ages. It is bankrupting us. The "retirement" age should be "indexed" and benefits for those of us unde 50 need to be cut if we are to "save" Soc. Sec. Plus when Soc. Sec. was created widows in this country were in bad shape and needed help. That is hardly as true anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 07/21/2009

Well, we see that the Republicans don't do much for people, unless it's one of their own. This country is bankrupt and most of the blame can be put on Bush's head! You don't take the country to war unless you have proof to the tenth power Our troops should have been home years ago! Healthcare could have been paid with all of the money that we didn't have, but used to pay for the Iraq war.I knowsome of you want this president to fail, ut you won't defeat him. He's a better man than Bush, Cheney, Boehner, McConnell,etc., put together! He has common sense, which is something we never saw with George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 07/21/2009
- plwood01 I'm a Fan of plwood01 18 fans permalink

Please! Just try to speak for your damn self... My sister is a widow and things have not been good for her since before her husband died of a brain tumor. He worked 36 years for GE and never took a vacation really. He did not leave her anything because for the two months of his survival he was back and forth to several hospitals and getting biopsys. He had insurance through the company but was told that if he would get any life saving measures they probably would not work and he had little time to try those measures. They capped that off with the estimated cost of fighting the disease. After a great deal of discussion with her family members and him while he was still able to understand, they decided to let him go...My sister killed herself the week after the funeral because she did not want to have to live on a meager widow's benefit after struggling so long with her own illness, healthcare costs to stay alive and loss of employment after the last recession in 2000! Her suicide note said that she was "so tired of being poor!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 07/21/2009
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Well said. You have neatly summed up the sad state of affairs in this country, and underscored the complete lack of simple human compassion displayed by our Republican party and big business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 07/21/2009

Just like the healthcare industry they protect, Repuglicans are expert at using the tatics of DELAY and DENY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 07/21/2009
- Hempy I'm a Fan of Hempy 13 fans permalink
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Republicans crying that government services are "socialism" reveals they don't know what they're talking about. It was the intent of our founders that government provides for the needs of the people. As Thomas Jefferson succinctly summarized:

"The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

Our founders were advocates of "good government" not less government. Government activities that precluded programs that met people’s needs was unnecessary.

As far as funding was concerned, they had a solution for that. Proportionally tax the movement of all moneys. It would be like a toll on the economic highway.

Hence the $531 trillion in derivatives and the $1.5 trillion of bank-laundered drug money, if taxed at a rate of 5% would bring in about $27 trillion. Even if a company moved its derivatives from one side of their balance sheet to the other, that constitutes a move and that would be taxed proportionally. Likewise, when they moved that money back, it would incur another tax.

When you back your car out of the driveway, and then pull back in because you forgot something, every time you start your engine; you're paying a tax. So should it be with the movement of moneys.

Let the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) run the figures. A proportional rate tax on the movement of moneys should bring in more revenue that all the current taxes combined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/21/2009

Would that be the same CBO that democrats are now calling worthless because they said we will need MASSIVE tax hikes to pay for Obamacare?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 07/21/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 41 fans permalink
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Would that be because they didn't factor in the effect of a public option that would hold costs down? Lying by omission is still lying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 07/21/2009

Just in case you forgot, Jefferson also said the the government that governs least, governs best. Maybe that short term memory is shot there Hempy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 07/21/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

Whats the republican plan?

Jonathan Swift - A Modest ProposalJonathan Swift's satirical essay from 1729, where he suggests that the Irish eat their own children.
art-bin.com/art/omodest.html - Cached - Similar

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/21/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 41 fans permalink
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As I recall, it's to tax current health care insurance recipients for their employer provided benefit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 07/21/2009
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 26 fans permalink
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That was Harry Reid's program first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/21/2009
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I believe that a lot of people, the Blue Dogs, The Righties and the public don't want to be stuck with this Toxic Asset. The longer it sits unpassed the wiser everyone gets regarding how invalid and unsustainable the plan is. It will take a boat load of Hopium to pass this sucker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 07/21/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 41 fans permalink
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To the contrary, some of the slippage is because progressives and others believe that he's selling out to the insurance companies. Single payer is the only way to get the immorality out of our health care system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 07/21/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 45 fans permalink

Not sure why you think that a single entity will be free of fraud.
Deep pockets is what introduced immortality into our healthcare system. people think of insurance companies as deep pockets. They think of government as even deeper pockets.
Doctors and patients with a deep pocket mentality is what caused fraud. That will continue (or get worse).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 07/21/2009

That's the problem. You make this a "moral" issue when it is an economic one. I am not "immoral" because I am against having my taxes raised to pay for those who are obese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 07/21/2009
- dzent1 I'm a Fan of dzent1 85 fans permalink
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Even if you do "slow it down", wingnuts, what makes you think it's going away? If anything, we'll make sure we throw all obstructionists out of office and do it with the guys who support single payer, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/21/2009

you and the million out of work Obamatrons?

remember 90% of the 90% of people that have health care, like their coverage and don't want to see it change.

This power grab is going down in flames and as the facts come out - it will be exposed for the fraud that it is.

remember who bought and paid for your man Daschle - - -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 07/21/2009
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And in my small business I do provide health care to my employees. If the fine is less that what I pay in premiums I could be a jerk and toss them all off their current plan. I won't, but how many small business owners do you think will do that? I shudder to think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 07/21/2009

That 90% quote is a good right wing talking point, just like the one about not being able to get good care in Canada. That is a giant load of BS. We have friends in Vancouver and they have had all kinds of life threatening illnesses and have been taken care of just as quickly as anyone does here. And the woman in the commercial that came here for treatment becuase she could not get it in Canada? Who paid for that????

Yes, don't let the government get between you and your doctor. It is much better to have a ruthless health insurance company do that and then cancel you after you have paid in $700 a month with a $5000 deductible for 30 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 07/21/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 41 fans permalink
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Ah, but then maybe they haven't yet been turned down for cancer treatment or reached a lifetime limit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 07/21/2009

It really is the best idea yet - I think everyone learned their lesson on President Obama's "stim" spending scheme.

It is odd that a President that promised plenty of time to review and discuss, now finds that his only chance is to ram it through in the dark hours with piles of "stim" money to grease the wheels - Chicago style politics at it's worst . . .

It is obvious with President Obama's ratings sliding from 69% to 54% in the past two weeks that America is sleeping off the hangover of celebrity worship and is starting to look at the power grab for what it is.

Bigger and bigger goverment and politicians telling US what we have to do - - - that is not going to work here in the land of the free and home of the brave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/21/2009

It's a pity that you are unable to comprehend that you pay more for having millions uninsured than you would pay to have them insured. I'm sorry that your Party has been untruthful to you, and that you're falling for this ridiculous notion that we're saving money by not reforming health care.

Have you ever actually looked into what taxpayers, employers, and the insured, pay for uninsured people now? Do you understand that a $250.00 test could have saved the taxpayers $250,000.00 for hospitalization of an "indigent" person? Do you feel good about your Country knowing that your neighbors have to hold car washes and bake sales to pay for chemotherapy? Does that make you feel like a proud American knowing that even 3rd world countries provide health care access for their citizens? And do you feel embarrassed not realizing that these sudden polls and ridiculous stories of our President losing his popularity are simply manufactured by the corporate media and the RNC to keep the Insurance Industry able to rob us all blind for insurance? Or are you the only person in America who somehow doesn't pay for their own health insurance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 07/21/2009

Amen, catriley. No one is talking about what we are all paying now anyway. I am paying for single coverage presently $500 a month with $5000 deductible. I figure I want to cover the catastrophic stuff, right? I still pay through the nose every time I go additionally, as I rarely ever reach my deductible. I would much rather pay this into the system in taxes and get everything covered for all.

WE ARE ALL PAYING NOW for everyone, one way or another. We need universal, single payer. Take the profits out of it, just like police and fire departments. Also, people would go in sooner, instead of waiting until they are REALLY sick, when it is often too late. It seems to be fine for Congress to have this medical benefit but god forbid that we all get it!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 07/21/2009
- jjden I'm a Fan of jjden 5 fans permalink

The person winta sounds like a true repug. Totally selfish and narrow minded. I agree with the other responders.....it isn't my war of choice....why shoulod I have been paying for it; I do not own a car.....pay for your own damn Interstate highways; I am not buying a house.....give up you mortgage interest deductions that indirectly raise my taxes; I do not have kids in school.....why should I pay for your mistakes?? and on and on

The preuke party has truly become the party of selfishness and greed.......expecting the public to pay for their deceits and rip offs while caring not a bit for the majority of people....including those dumb enough to vote for them. They care and pander to only the wealthy and their religious crack pot "base".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/21/2009

since when did saddling our collective children and their children with trillions and trillions of dollars of debt and then force on them a system that does away with free choice in health care make a person selfish and narrow minded?

as people are able to read the bill and democrats and republicans alike reject it for the wasteful fraud it is - we should all be truning our eyes on President Obama and give him a big "Whats up with this?"

This is less choice, more government, more taxes, more debt - less care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/21/2009
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I think it became okay to saddle our collective children and their children with trillions and trillions of dollars of debt about, ummmm January 20, 2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/21/2009

I fail to see why the Right is mentally ill for using the same tactics as the Left.

Hell, this is right out of Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".

I'm glad to see that finally the Right is starting to use the same tactics as the Left.

In this cultural civil war we are in now, as Alinsky said "the ends justify the means" and everything is now fair game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/21/2009
- gabemill I'm a Fan of gabemill 39 fans permalink

""the ends justify the means" and everything is now fair game."

This is NOT a game, nor has the Left EVER played it on the scale or magnitude that the right thrives on in an on going effort to regain power, at the expense of the country and the American people.

The republican party remains the party of obstructionism. That is completely factual and totally despicable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/21/2009
- dzent1 I'm a Fan of dzent1 85 fans permalink
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Nobody reads that except paranoid right-wingers. Try again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/21/2009
- Matt7 I'm a Fan of Matt7 241 fans permalink

OH NO YOU'RE NOT!

Do my eyes deceive me? SURELY you're not referencing or (mis)quoting a . . . {gasp}
::face twisting:: community ORRRganizer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 07/21/2009

The end does not justify the means and using bad means for even "good" ends always ends with defeat. That is why so many people of goodwill on both ends of the political spectrum are sick of both parties and partisans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 07/21/2009
- mooph I'm a Fan of mooph 8 fans permalink
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Republican progress: from the party of no to the party of slow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/21/2009
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And finally, to the party of Y.O.Y.O.

You're on your own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/21/2009

"...while promoting sensible alternatives that address health care costs and preserve quality'" But the only "alternatives" the GOPers have proposed is the same middle- lower-income bankrupting, cannibalistic status quo that is a total win-lose situation. Win for insurance/pharma/for-profit hospital industries, lose for everyone not fortunate enough to be covered by the current "socialism" systems of Medicare and Tricare (for military personnel/families/retirees) or who are still employed by companies who still -- for the time being -- offer medical insurance benefits. And certainly a big lose for the 47 million w/o coverage including my son who is healthy, but considered to have a "pre-existing" condition that has x-ed him out of being able to buy any coverage. All the 'haves' are so fearful that their access to health care (most likely elective procedures) will be 'rationed' but couldn't care less about the rationing that is being inflicted on those who have no access to health care except for a hospital ER, which usually means little more than being referred to a medical facility the uninsured person can't afford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/21/2009

say it over and over while looking into a mirror - - - 23 TRILLION DOLLARS.

then ask yourself if the VA Hospitals are being run well by the government??? maybe you are trusting enough to believe the government will get it right if only we give them all ABSOLUTE control of our lives - - - -

23 TRILLION DOLLARS - - -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/21/2009
- marxmarv I'm a Fan of marxmarv 25 fans permalink
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What does have to do with the price of tea in China?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/21/2009
- fuelie I'm a Fan of fuelie 10 fans permalink
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The "Goofy Old Party" should find a good psychiatrist to send all its members to for therapy. They are obviously mentally ill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 07/21/2009
- Matt7 I'm a Fan of Matt7 241 fans permalink

Whose going to pay for that? None of this socialist "for the common good" stuff!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/21/2009
- marxmarv I'm a Fan of marxmarv 25 fans permalink
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The right is a little scared of their ideology being seen as the pathology it is. Mental illnesses are people too, or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 07/21/2009
- pxgabriel I'm a Fan of pxgabriel 10 fans permalink

How is this helping the nation. If they are so smart, where is their input on a better plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 07/21/2009
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