House Dems Haven't Started Counting Health Care Votes

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First Posted: 07-24-09 01:41 PM   |   Updated: 07-24-09 03:53 PM

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House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the man in charge of counting Democratic votes, said Friday that the party has yet to start putting that tally together.

"Oh, no. What is there to whip? Good grief, I'd have whiplash trying to whip this after all these meetings," Clyburn said in response to a question from the Huffington Post.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), has said repeatedly that she has the votes she needs to pass health care reform.

As the deadline to pass health care reform slips, however, dissent that had been kept under the lid has started to boil over.

Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.), chairman of a key health subcommittee on the Education and Labor Committee, described a tense meeting of Democrats on Thursday. "[I]t got pretty heated. People felt pretty passionately about this. I won't mention any names," he said, smiling and looking at Clyburn, who laughed.

"[P]eople were kind of yelling at each other and if you had taken a look at that you'd have said these people are never going to get to agreement on this. But by about 10 this morning they had."

That particular agreement related to regional disparities in Medicare reimbursement, a thorny subject.

"We are having an unruly, disorganized, hard-to-follow, hard-edged process called democracy, where people are speaking their minds and coming to agreement," said Andrews.

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Clyburn conceded that the process has been slowed in the House by the even slower pace in the Senate. There are members of his caucus, he said, who don't want to vote on the House bill until the Senate Finance Committee has acted. "There are some members of our caucus who feel that is very important," he said.

Clyburn said he looked forward to continued negotiations to "get a good product that we can begin to start [vote] counting."

House Republicans are enjoying the Democratic spectacle. "Whipping the vote is kind of a big deal, but it's understandable why Mr. Clyburn wouldn't want to actually talk to his own members with the Speaker making one ludicrous claim after another," clucked one GOP aide to the Huffington Post.

There is no merged bill to whip because a handful of Blue Dog Democrats have held up the Energy and Commerce Committee. The Blue Dog stubbornness is wearing on Chairman Henry Waxman's patience. On Friday, he yanked their leash, saying that if they didn't relent he'd have "no alternative" but to skip past his committee and go right to the floor.

"I won't allow them to hand over control of our committee to Republicans," he growled to reporters.

Clyburn told the Huffington Post that he wasn't yet ready for such an aggressive move. "I don't know about that. I always want to follow the regular order," he said.

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the man in charge of counting Democratic votes, said Friday that the party has yet to start putting that tally together. "Oh, no. What is there to whip? G...
House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the man in charge of counting Democratic votes, said Friday that the party has yet to start putting that tally together. "Oh, no. What is there to whip? G...
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- Wanod I'm a Fan of Wanod 4 fans permalink

What a lame statement.­..If you're not counting vote's then find a new job, because that's your job to count vote's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 07/27/2009
- cripes I'm a Fan of cripes 4 fans permalink

Well ,,,get on with it ! Use your fingers and toes if you have to. Talkin' about wasting time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 07/27/2009

There isn't a bill to count votes for, republicans and blue dogs succeded in slowing this down so we don't even have a final health bill to look at.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 07/26/2009
- hrholmes I'm a Fan of hrholmes 98 fans permalink
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Damn! I could have sworn we voted in a big enough majority of actual Democrats that 7 stealth notsies would not make a difference in the house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 07/26/2009

Clyburn is blowing smoke. He counts votes in his sleep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 07/25/2009
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 100 fans permalink
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That's my take, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 07/25/2009
- rxvette I'm a Fan of rxvette 34 fans permalink

As a medical professional and self conscious health person I've come up with solutions not only for reforming the health care system but for things that we as individuals can do to decrease our health care costs. I've included many references in my article for others to pursue if they wish as well. You can read it hear - http://bit.ly/9QLV8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 07/25/2009

Sorry, I won't follow any link put up by some "medical professional". The medical professionals like the insurance companies have spent the last few decades working hard to prove to the american people that they are only concerned with personal pocketbooks and not with anyone's health. If one is looking for someone to fix the healthcare system the last person to talk with is someone in the insurance industry or a "medical professional"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/25/2009
- rxvette I'm a Fan of rxvette 34 fans permalink

Well that's nice of you. I'm sure when you're car needs fixed you don't go to a mechanic either. Or when your sewer backs up you probably don't call a plumber right?

I went into the medical profession to help people and bring them back to health. I didn't go into it to get rich. As a medical professional if I had to take a pay cut to do my part to help everyone have medical insurance in this country then I would gladly do that. Because to me it's not about having more money in my pocketbook to buy materialistic things that only provide short term happiness. It's all about making a difference in other's lives. I put everything I have into my passion for health and wellness not only in my own life but in my career. So if you don't think that your pharmacist or nurse or doctor has your best interest in mind then might I suggest getting rid of them and finding a new one. You should really be comfortable enough to know your health care professionals by name. When you care it makes us care even more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 07/26/2009

Can someone answer this for me. How does this Healthcare Plan deal with teenage preganaceys, obsese smokers...­.you make think I am being callous but visit an ER in Baltimore and you will see. Over the years these groups have increased at an alarming rate. There is nothing in this plan to address this issue which is a huge drain on our economy. I love children and my heart breaks when they are not well cared for. But how do we stop teenage pregnancy.­...this is at the root of healthcare and education problems. You can have a state of the art school with laptops for all and a phd as a teacher but if your mother is 15, you are doomed. Birth control is widely available, often for free. These kids choose this life and want the govt to suppport them. If 100 teenagers have 3 babies a piece and those babies to do the same, within 20 years we have 900 children with teenage mothers. This population is exploding. I think the problem is too difficult for the govt to address but if we dont solve it the indigent will outnumber the taxpayers.­..then what.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 07/25/2009
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okay dems stop bullsh*tting and get something done. you were voted in and now you have the numbers, f*ck the republicans and stop p*ssyfooting around. at this rate independents will take over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 07/24/2009
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

What a bunch of wussies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/24/2009
- jonjon66 I'm a Fan of jonjon66 9 fans permalink
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An army of lameness

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/24/2009

You all do realize that with the health care plan that is on the books, the wealthy will have the best doctors because they will pay out of pocket for them. The less wealthy will have the doctors who are willing to get paid the small amounts that medicare allows. That is the way the system is in Canada and in England. Already doctors are setting up boutique practices where you pay an annual fee to belong. It is the only way for doctors to get decent pay and not have to see 35-40 patients a day. THey want to really treat patients and not have to endure the assembly line version of medicine. That is what a public plan will bring. This is not fear mongering, it is the truth. Talk to real doctors, not the ones who pretend to be ones on blogs, and you will understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 07/24/2009

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You cannot say that is the way it is in UK and Canada. It is absolutely not true. And I have first hand knowledge of the Canadian system. There are more private practice doctors in Canada than in the US. And guess what? They are very happy with the money they make., Stop telling gop lies!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 07/24/2009

Sorry. My bad. the 2 tier system is in England. In Canada the wealthy come to America for surgeries and cancer treatment to avoid the waits in Canada and to have better care. A friend from Canada was just here in Baltimore to have rotator cuff surgery. Now that I am sure of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 07/24/2009

Also, my husbands very excellent internist just quit to go teach in Bethesda. The reimbursements from Medicare is so low that he had to see 35-40 patients a day to make money and he stopped enjoying medicine. It is a shame as he is an amazing doctor. I am afraid we are going to be left with less competent doctors. Bright people will find other ways to make a living and we will all suffer from inferior care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 07/24/2009

Also, internal medicine practices here in Baltimore are beginning to set up boutique practices where you pay $1500 a year or more to belong to the practice. With low medicare reimbursements, the cost of malpractice and insurance red tape, this in the only way they can practice quality medicine and make a living.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 07/24/2009
- elfish I'm a Fan of elfish 217 fans permalink
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One of the real problems that is never addressed is the cost of medical school specifically. Most doctors come out of school with huge debts and the only way they can pay them is to focus on expensive specialties where they can charge more to pay their debts. The cost of college has been out stripping inflation for decades and it is the fundamental source of many problems. Over time, lowering the cost of educations would lower a significant portion of the medical costs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 07/25/2009

Thats true, but you still have to deal with the time element that it takes a doc to become a doc. internship, residency, specialty.­...years to get to the final job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 07/25/2009

Go ahead ... keep making this stuff up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 07/25/2009
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 132 fans permalink
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So count the votes already!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 07/24/2009
- Pquilson I'm a Fan of Pquilson 9 fans permalink

I do not believe the votes are there to pass the legislation. Otherwise, it would be heading straight to the floor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 07/24/2009

Public Option?

I think the fear of the unknown is the greatest barrier to entry for the good of the people.

Something familiar to most- Airlines.

In the early 90's - Chicago was home of two of the biggest carriers- American & United Airlines in the industry.

Both carriers operated out of O’Hare Airport.

Midway Airport was old- decrepit and sitting idle.

Midway Airlines operated out of Midway Airport only- but they entered the Chicago market

They lasted a few years. In the interim- Southwest Airlines overcame laws in Texas that restricted entry into an industry that already had one of the greatest BARRIERS to ENTRY in the world.

Midway Airlines " with limited destinations " eventually failed, however- Southwest flourished.

Southwest entered the market with more destinations to where they competed with United and American.

A real example- over decades American and United both offered service to business travelers approximately 3 flights per day from Chicago O’Hare Airport to Providence Rhode Island.

A round trip fare “on United or American-i­.e. depart Tuesday, return Thursday, ranged between $700.00 “$900.00.

Once Southwest Airlines offered comparable service from Midway Airport to Providence, RI – offered a round trip fare of $200.00. Guess what United and American did?

United and American began to charge $199.00 for the exact itinerary they charged $900.00, pre- southwest.

Public Option into the Health Industry Oligopoly is our Southwest of the Airline Oligopoly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 07/24/2009

Your argument is not valid because you are talking about how Southwest, a private company, made inraods into the business of other private companies. The govt had nothing to do with Southwest's success. That is the heart of capitalism. The public healthcare plan would compete with the private plan and would eventually consume them. THen we are left with the govt totally controlling our healthcare system. If you want long waits and inferior care...go for it. That is the medical system in Canada and their is a two tier plan in England.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 07/24/2009
- hrholmes I'm a Fan of hrholmes 98 fans permalink
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You have learned the Notsie talking points well Grasshopper. Single payer does not cut out the providers it cuts out the over 50% insurance industry overhead, same doctors, same hospitals, no denials of service for a $30 million dollar a year CEO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 07/26/2009

8 years- have had a ‘C’ mentality- which now has us ranked below the top 25 countries in the worldwide ranking for education.

Below the top 25 countries in the worldwide! The Do- NOTHINGS!

Is it a wonder why Fox # 1 Cable---Rush # 1 Radio?

Steele noted his speech was 'set a tone and a theme'- used the word "experiment" 30 times in his speech!

30 times!! I guess that is what is required for the C mentality.

CPR Patients Rights = Rick Scott-

Remember him- Rick Scott - HCA- Hospital Corporation of America- Largest Hospital chain in the country!

Rick Scott is blasting commercials on the faux clown show -

SAY NO TO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE

NO TO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE
NO TO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE
NO TO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE

Say that 30 x's

Oh Rick Scott- he was partner with Richard Rainwater- HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY- based in Nashville TN

Tennessee needs to pay attention to RICK SCOTT -

Wonder why TENN CARE is BROKE?

Ask RICK SCOTT- faux's favorite- RICK SCOTT CPR Patients Rights

Say this 30 x's

HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY
HCA- LARGEST FRAUD in HISTORY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 07/24/2009

Take your meds....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 07/24/2009

Whoa man, you need to get back on your medicine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 07/24/2009

Actually your screen name if perfect...­.you are heading for destinations unknown by any of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 07/24/2009

PRESS REPEAT
PRESS REPEAT
PRESS REPEAT

ENOUGH TIMES IT
IT WILL COME TRUE
ENOUGH TIMES IT
IT WILL COME TRUE

ARE WE NOT MEN?
WE ARE DEVOID...O­F THOUGHT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 07/25/2009
- Solja I'm a Fan of Solja 114 fans permalink
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I saw him live on tv today and that's not what he said. He said HE hadn't counted the votes, NOT the "Democrats" hadn't counted them. This is misleading at best and a lie at worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 07/24/2009
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