Conservative Democrats Most Vulnerable If Health Reform Fails

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First Posted: 07-29-09 05:12 PM   |   Updated: 07-29-09 07:18 PM

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The influential conservative Democrats who are combating their own party's efforts to overhaul health care could ironically wind up being among the biggest losers if the effort to pass comprehensive legislation founders too badly.

Health care reform is so central to the Democratic agenda that its collapse could gravely damage the party's stature in 2010.

The self-styled fiscal conservatives who call themselves Blue Dogs in the House fear the effects of being labeled as liberals in their predominantly right-leaning districts. But history suggests that they should be more afraid of fueling a Republican electoral resurgence.

"If [President] Obama's popularity and the Democratic party's approval rating goes downhill, that will hurt the Blue Dogs and those in conservative districts more than anybody else," Mike Lux, a progressive political strategist, told the Huffington Post.

In previous elections, the prospects of conservative Democrats in both the House and Senate have been strongly linked to the overall popularity of their party.

In 2006 and 2008, the fiscally conservative Blue Dogs, gained 15 seats -- mostly in conservative districts -- while capitalizing on high Democratic popularity across the nation. During the same period, 11 of the 14 Democratic gains in the Senate were in conservative or toss-up states. By contrast, in the 2002 and 2004 elections, when Republicans added to their majorities in both chambers, their pickups were mostly in conservative and swing states.

There's also a precedent for health care being a make-or-break issue for Democrats.

"The reason we lost so badly in '94," said Lux, who was an adviser to Bill Clinton at the time, "was that working class voters of medium and low incomes -- who turned out in big numbers in 1992 -- were incredibly discouraged by us not delivering on health care."

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The failures of Democrats to overhaul health care under Clinton and Harry Truman both led to dramatic Republican gains in the following elections, with Democrats losing their control of Congress both times.

"A lot of the conservative Democrats who voted against [Clinton's health care] bill got swept out in 1994," Lux said. Republicans gained 54 additional seats in the House of Representatives and eight in the Senate that year -- mostly in conservative states and swing districts -- regaining control of Congress for the first time in half a century.

Meanwhile, Michael Tomasky writes in the Guardian that most of the Blue Dogs shouldn't be so fearful, period.

"To hear them talk sometimes, you'd think if they depart one iota from a basically conservative agenda, the voters will toss them out," he writes.

But Tomasky's elaborate analysis of the 2008 election results suggests that very few of them are really in danger of being voted out of office for being too liberal.

"Yes, some Democrats have to be very careful and not be seen as casting a liberal vote. But they're a comparatively small number," he concludes. "A very clear majority of these people have won by large enough margins that it sure seems to me they could survive one controversial vote if they [put] some backbone into it."

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- ldmason45 I'm a Fan of ldmason45 28 fans permalink

I think if they vote on this obamacare bill it will be the icing on the cake for their constituents back home. These blue dog dems represent conservative districts. If they voted for those sham porkulus and cap-n-tax bills their careers are probably over anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 07/31/2009
- Stephen C. Rose - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Stephen C. Rose 65 fans permalink
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Wonder if the Blue Dogs will listen?

What strikes me about them is that they are living in the past. But evidently they are not learning.

There are two scenarios.

The one noted in this article.

And the possibility that districts that tend to be conservative will flip red.

If health care fails because of Blue Dogs, a GOP resurgence might not materialize at all. Instead, things could move leftward and leave the GOP on its current downward trajectory and Blue Dogs officeless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/31/2009
- LarBear I'm a Fan of LarBear 30 fans permalink
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The Republican Party, in my observation, is most like the Abuser who says if I can't be with (CONTROL) you, I will destroy you, rather than you be with another... For the "Health/ Good" of America, WE the People need to remove this abuser from any CONTROL...

Clearly, the Main Stream Media is Corporate owned and managed and intends keeping a Two Party System in place... The MSM Talking Heads/Bobble Heads and Journalists pretend every story, or point, has two "EQUAL" sides... Where is the "EQUAL" when one side is working to fix Health Care and the other side wants to keep their Corporate Contributors in Control???

By giving talking time to the Birthers/D­eathers/Ra­ce Exploiters the MSM wants to keep Corporate Control in the hands of the Few, to Control the many... Clearly, over 70% of WE the People want a Single Payer Health Care Plan... The Blue Dogs side with Corporate (money) over what WE the People want... Clearly, Corporate MSM is betting Blue Dogs are the best chance of opposing Single Payer and assisting the Republicans to regain seats/control...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 07/30/2009
- jackbond I'm a Fan of jackbond 3 fans permalink

Can we stop calling them Blue Dogs and use a more accurate/d­escriptive designation? I suggest, "worm ridden filth".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/30/2009
- cvwilson I'm a Fan of cvwilson 11 fans permalink

If the Blue Dogs kill health care reform or weaken to ineffectiveness, they will be most threatened with the loss of their seats because:

1) They will get absolutely no credit from the conservatives in their districts. They will all vote Republican anyway.

2) The progressives in their districts will be disheartened and discouraged. While there may not be as many of them in these swing districts as in districts more solidly Democratic, it is critically important that they be motivated to work hard for the candidate and get out and vote.

3) Independents want effectiveness. Why should they vote for someone whose party is ineffective and can not deliver a major campaign goal?

Whether they realize it or not, the Blue Dogs will have a better chance to keep their seats in 2010 by passing an effective health reform bill with a strong public option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 07/30/2009
- clutchkill I'm a Fan of clutchkill 5 fans permalink
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The reason why these Blue FDogs vote the way they do isn't out of fear of their right leaning constituents, it's because of the mony they are getting from lobbiest's and special interests. It's really that simple. They're shills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 07/30/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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The fact is, they're all shills. The Blue Dog problem, IMHO, is due to two factors.

They come from predominately conservative rural areas, anyway....

...and if that's not enough, throw in a strong Evangelical wacko influence, to boot.

They really are DINOs when you get right down to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/30/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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The fact is, they're all sh ills. The Blue Dog problem, IMHO, is due to two factors.

They come from predomin ately conserv ative rural areas, anyway....

...and if that's not enough, throw in a strong Evangelical wa cko influence, to boot.

They really are DINOs when you get right down to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 07/30/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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The fact is, they're all sh ills. The Blue D og problem, IMHO, is due to two fa ctors.

They come from pre dominately con servative rural areas, anyway....

...and if that's not enough, thr ow in a strong Ev angelical wac ko influ ence, to boot.

They really are DI NOs when you get right down to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 07/30/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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Sorry for the repeats. Mode ration hassles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/30/2009

Oh yeah they will be in the proverbial Bad Newz Kennel over this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 07/30/2009
- Phxflyer I'm a Fan of Phxflyer 72 fans permalink
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Good!

Now here's what should happen: hold congressional hearings into the health insurance industry. Model the hearings after those held with tobacco executives. Doing so will reveal them cheats and frauds that they are to every citizen. Let them tell all Americans why they aren't doing their job, and why they run their business with administrative costs more than 10 times that of government run health care programs. Let them explain why it's OK to drop coverage, and explain exactly why they drop people with preexisting conditions. Let them explain why Americans should continue to pay more for inferior coverage and services.

And when they lie, and they will, jail them for contempt of congress and point out the true facts to the American people.

Do that, and do it loud and long enough, and the debate will end, and even a single payer plan will have a great chance of passing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 07/30/2009

Remember why they're powerful in the first place, there are lots of reasons (http://lifeinsidethebeltway.com/2009/07/top-five-reasons-why-the-blue-dog-democrats-are-powerful-right-now/), but I don't think they're going to vulnerable if it fails. You could argue they would be just as vulnerable if it SUCCEEDS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 07/30/2009

I sent a note to my districts representative (Parker Griffith), just to let him know that if he does not vote for health insurance reform, then I will not vote for him again, period.

He responded, and in that email he let me know that he was a proud blue dog, and he did not support a public option.

As I told him in my response, 'your being a blue dog is NOT a selling point for me'.
In my opinion, blue dogs are just republicans who call themselves democrats. They dont even have the balls to say who they really are.

They disgust me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 07/30/2009
- TylerRose I'm a Fan of TylerRose 6 fans permalink

Supporters of strong public option, here is the blue dogs' website where can email and tell what you expect of them - especially those of you who live in their districts:

Contact the Blue Dogs:

Kristen Hawn

Communications Director

BlueDog@ma­il.house.g­ov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/30/2009

Eff Yew - I support the Blue dogs and will contribute $ to their campaigns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 07/30/2009

I will give money and time to get rid of the ones in my state. They are corporate shills and have got to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 07/30/2009
- TylerRose I'm a Fan of TylerRose 6 fans permalink

I reiterate, those of you who support strong public option health care insurance-­especially those who live in the districts of the Blue Dog Democrats blocking public option, I give you their website to contact them and let them know about. Isn't that what constituents suppose to do? Even if you don't agree? I will show you more respect "TheSystemWorks" and not curse you but obviously I was not speaking to you in my post. It was directed toward supporters of public option health care and it is their right to contact opponents of a legislature that affects them. You're forgiven.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 07/30/2009
- bronceye I'm a Fan of bronceye 30 fans permalink

They will find lucrative employment in the insurance industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 07/30/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 19 fans permalink

Between these guys and the muddying waters around the 'public option', perhaps it's time to bring back single-payer. Seems like the only way to clean the slate and answer those that require a big savings too.

One more dent in the public option should do it. Let them bring it. Water it down and we'll throw it out.

Single-payer is our nuclear option and we're heading towards detonation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 07/30/2009
- lm945 I'm a Fan of lm945 4 fans permalink

Max Fine, the last surviving member of President Kennedy's Medicare Task Force, favors a single-payer plan. If there's anyone alive who understands how to create viable health care reform, it's Max.

Which begs the question. Why isn't Congress listening to him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 07/30/2009
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They won't be more vulnerable than the 50+ millions americans STILL left without affordable insurance options.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 07/30/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 19 fans permalink

Or the thousands that lose their insurance every year after paying for years -- because they finally get sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/30/2009
- judesuper I'm a Fan of judesuper 29 fans permalink
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So true! Even if these guys loose in their next election cycle. They will still have public health care coverage for life!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 07/30/2009
- TylerRose I'm a Fan of TylerRose 6 fans permalink

Damn right, they are vulnerable. They campaigned as a Democrat which means they embraced the Democrat platform. I see the true Democrats and President Obama working to preserve that platform and, yes, if the health care reform fails or is watered-down, I am blaming the Blue Dog Democrats for the demise. I do not mind them being conservative, I am not far-leftie myself, but I am sure there are as many people in their conservative districts suffering as much as constituents in liberal districts and they are not working for their people.

Single payer health care reform or no vote. They can flex their conservative muscle on other policies but health care reform is not the one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 07/30/2009
- Telemachus I'm a Fan of Telemachus 113 fans permalink

Co-sign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 07/30/2009
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 19 fans permalink

They WILL lose their jobs over this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 07/30/2009
- BBackSoon I'm a Fan of BBackSoon 39 fans permalink
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I agree, I know there is still a large amount of America that thinks of themselves as Conservative but these people are also paying too much for insurance, if they can get it, they are also losing jobs. I still think that some are starting to wise up to the fact that when the Blue Dogs and the Repubs ‘Fight the Libs’ they are not doing it to help their constituents, they are doing their corporate masters bidding. But then again if you only watch FIX you will never get it.

Maybe we can get progressives in those seats!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 07/30/2009
- judesuper I'm a Fan of judesuper 29 fans permalink
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We can only hope. When will the progressives start running against these seat warmers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 07/30/2009
- judesuper I'm a Fan of judesuper 29 fans permalink
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Ditto!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 07/30/2009
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