Deal With 'Blue Dogs' Sets Up Health Care Vote In House; Key GOP Senators Say Agreement Out Of Reach For Now


First Posted: 07-29-09 04:25 PM   |   Updated: 07-30-09 02:51 AM

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UPDATE 7/30:

CNN is reporting that key GOP Senators Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) are saying a health care deal is out of reach until after the August recess:

That likely dashes the hopes of Democratic leaders and President Barack Obama for a deal among the so-called Gang of Six negotiators that could deliver critical momentum for the stalled health care overhaul.

Grassley told CNN late Wednesday night: "There are a lot of tough decisions to make and they aren't going to be made real quickly."

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(Associated Press) WASHINGTON — After weeks of turmoil, House Democrats reached a shaky peace with the party's rebellious rank-and-file conservatives Wednesday and cleared the way for a vote in September on sweeping health care legislation.

Bipartisan Senate negotiators reported progress, too, on a bill to extend coverage to 95 percent of all Americans without raising federal deficits. "We're on the edge, we're almost there," said Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican involved in the secretive Senate talks.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Finance Committee, said preliminary estimates from congressional budget experts showed the cost of the emerging Senate plan was below $900 billion and would result in an increase in employer-sponsored insurance – conclusions that may reassure critics who fear a bloated bill that prompts businesses to abandon the coverage they currently provide.

Across the Capitol, House Democratic leaders gave in to numerous demands from rank-and-file rebels, so-called Blue Dogs from the conservative wing of the party who had been blocking the bill's passage in the last of three committees.

The House changes, which drew immediate opposition from liberals in the chamber, would reduce the federal subsidies designed to help lower-income families afford insurance, exempt additional businesses from a requirement to offer insurance to their workers and change the terms of a government insurance option.

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At their core, both the House bill and the plan under negotiation in the Senate are designed to meet President Barack Obama's goals of spreading health coverage to millions who now lack it, while slowing the skyrocketing growth in health care costs nationally.

Obama has placed the issue atop his domestic agenda, and as recently as two weeks ago was pressing the House and Senate insistently to pass separate bills by the end of July or early August.

The White House issued a statement praising the development in the House, and with appearances in North Carolina and Virginia, the president sought to minimize the significance of the slippage in his timetable.

"We did give them a deadline, and sort of we missed that deadline. But that's OK," Obama said. "We don't want to just do it quickly, we want to do it right."

In his appearances, Obama stressed that any legislation he signs will include numerous consumer protections, including a ban on insurance company denials of coverage based on pre-existing medical conditions.

Rep. Mike Ross of Arkansas, a leader of conservative and moderate "Blue Dog" Democrats, said the changes agreed to by the leadership would cut the cost of the House bill by about $100 billion over 10 years.

While Baucus reported the Senate Finance measure carried a price tag of under $1 trillion, congressional officials said it included only the cost of the first year of a 10-year, $245 billion program to increase doctor fees under Medicare. House Democrats used a similar sleight of hand, excluding the entire $245 billion when claiming their measure wouldn't add to the deficit.

The House deal was worked out over hours of talks that involved not only the chamber's leaders but also White House officials eager to advance the bill. It was unclear, though, what commitments Speaker Nancy Pelosi or the administration may have made to support the agreement once the bill advances to the floor this fall.

As word of the agreement spread, liberals fired back. "We do not support this," said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., head of the Progressive Caucus. "I think they have no idea how many people are against this. They can't possibly be taking us seriously if they're going to bring this forward."

Whatever the longer-term ramifications, Democrats said the way was now clear for the Energy and Commerce Committee to approve its portion of the legislation, the last step before it comes to the floor for a vote.

"We're hoping to get a bill out before we leave ... this week," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, the panel's chairman.

In the Senate, Baucus, Grassley and two other senators from each party have been negotiating for weeks in hopes of agreeing on compromise legislation. Both men face considerable pressure from their respective parties – Baucus not to stray too far from Democratic objectives, Grassley not to hand the president a political victory.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has given Baucus months to see compromise across party lines is possible, and he told reporters during the day he expects a bipartisan plan to emerge.

The pace of decisions appears to have accelerated in recent days, with negotiators all but settling on a tax on high-cost insurance plans to help pay for the bill, as well as a new mechanism designed to curtail the growth of Medicare over the next 10 years and beyond.

More problematic from the Democrats' point of view is a tentative agreement to omit a provision in which the government would sell insurance in competition with private industry. In its place, the group is expected to recommend non-profit cooperatives that could operate at the state, regional or even national level.

Nor is any bipartisan recommendation likely to include a requirement for large businesses to offer insurance to their workers. Instead, they would have a choice between offering coverage or paying a portion of any government subsidy that non-insured employees would receive.

Like the House bill, the bipartisan proposal under discussion would expand eligibility for Medicaid to 133 percent of the federal poverty level.

It provides for federal subsidies for individuals and families up to 300 percent of poverty, less than the 400 percent in the House measure.

Even if the negotiations succeed before the Senate's vacation, it is not clear when the Finance Committee would vote.

The proposal would have to be blended with a more liberal measure that was approved last month by the Senate Health, Education Labor and Pensions Committee. It would then go to the Senate floor, where Democrats have 60-40 majority rather than the 3-3 lineup that Baucus and Grassley have led for months.

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Associated Press Writers Liz Sidoti, Alan Fram, Erica Werner and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this story.

UPDATE 7/30: CNN is reporting that key GOP Senators Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) are saying a health care deal is out of reach until after the August recess: That likely dashe...
UPDATE 7/30: CNN is reporting that key GOP Senators Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) are saying a health care deal is out of reach until after the August recess: That likely dashe...
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The health care and insurance industry have spent over $4.7 billion on lobbying from 1998 to the present. This is in addition to the the combined $1.1 billion in direct campaign contributions they have made since 1990 (figures from The Center for Responsive Politics, www.opensecrets.org).

The sad reality is that these dollars have been money extremely well spent and will virtually guarantee that whatever health care "reform" is ultimately passed by Congress is a watered down plan that protects the status quo and the health care industry's profits. I suspect that this will likely take the form of legislation that provides some type of minimal coverage for the poorest members of society, while leaving most middle class individuals (whatever middle class is actually left these days) with effectively the same system they have now.

It is no wonder that the most recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll now shows Congress with a 63% disapproval rating. While small businesses and families are being crushed by ever increasing premium rates, and people are dying because of a lack of access to care or refusal by their insurance carrier to cover needed treatment, our elected officials are wined and dined by lobbyists and enjoy the type of premium insurance coverage that simply no longer exists for the majority of working Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/30/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 163 fans permalink

Thanks to Obama we STARTED OFF THE DEBATE with a plan designed to protect the status quo and insurance industry profits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 07/30/2009
- warlover I'm a Fan of warlover 4 fans permalink

Healthcare reform is out of reach until after recess, Without a public option does anyone really care.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/30/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 163 fans permalink

Why would you care WITH a public option? Real health care reform would look like single payer. We haven't even CONSIDERED real health care reform in this whole pony show.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/30/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 146 fans permalink
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I agree. The absence of a CBO estimate on single payer is fishy. Why on Earth wouldn't we consider costs and savings associated with _all_ the options?
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cbo-estimate-single-payer-now

Especially since we _know_ that private insurance has decreased the fraction of their revenues paid for medical care from 95% to 80%, and we know that their administrative waste is 31%, and we know that Medicare's administrative waste is about an order of magnitude (10 times) less, the fact that socializing medical expenses even comparably to the degree that expenses incurred by reckless Wall Street speculation has not been honestly considered, stinks of felony collusion among insurance corporations and Republican members of Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 07/30/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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Once the House members hear the public outcry over this, I think they'll be very reluctant come September. But, I think Nancy and Hoyer will peel off enough to get a 10 vote margin. That close, the Senate will either lose it's vim and vigor for the legislation, or it will be so watered down, it will do little good either way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/30/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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Hopefully, the 'pubic option' will d i e a lonely d e a t h. Co-ops NOT FUNDED by taxes, individual mandates, and tax credits are all viable options. But, without TORT REFORM, costs will increase astronomically year-to-year. We need LO SER PAYS reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 07/30/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 99 fans permalink

Sorry "MiniBobby," your so-called "pubic option" has no chance perhaps reflecting your personal inadequacy, but a "public" option will survive this process.

And tort reform will do little to lower health care costs -- the biggest culprit is insurance company profits.

Go ahead, look it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/30/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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The only way is to N U K E Option the process in the Senate. If they chose to do so, the resultant bill will have to reduce the deficit, not add to it. Good luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/30/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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Nope, you're WRONG on TORT REFORM. CBO estimates it's 20% of healthcare costs. I did look it up. HEH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/30/2009
- ReedYoung I'm a Fan of ReedYoung 146 fans permalink
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Done, and you're right, lowering the cost of malpractice insurance by limiting recoverable damages was estimated by CBO in 2003 to be worth only $15 million dollars the next year, and over the following decade, just $3 billion. For the conservatives, that's only three thousandth of $1 Trillion, the amount that a strong public option will cost. That's the thing that 72% of Americans want, 80% of Democrats and 50% of Republicans. So tort reform is not an important part of this discussion. It got its turn on the agenda in 2003 under Bush, and it didn't do a thing for Americans. It just let Republicans look they were doing something useful. They were not.
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Because employers would pay less for health insurance for employees, more of their employees' compensation would be in the form of taxable wages and other fringe benefits. As a result, CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 5 would increase federal revenues by $15 million in 2004 and by $3 billion over the 2004-2013 period.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/30/2009
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Ahh yes, politics at its finest. Just drag the progress of the health care bill until it dies.
Why don't the just kill it on the spot like they have done in the past?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 07/30/2009
- maxfax I'm a Fan of maxfax 18 fans permalink

"out of reach" until after recess? While they go home with their nice benefits package of health care coverage WE Americans pay for.

Let's cancel their insurance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/30/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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It will [pass the House by the Cap and Ta x margins. Nancy will pe el off enough votes to get a close majority. If it is close, it may not even get a vote in the Senate. If it does get a vote in the Senate, the bills will be diame trically opp osed and may not make it out of Committee. All good scenarios. The DEMS are now e ating their young.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 07/30/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 99 fans permalink

I think you are eating your brain. With fava beans and a nice Chianti. Bon appetit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 07/30/2009
- apduncan1 I'm a Fan of apduncan1 42 fans permalink
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In other words: all that is good for American taxpayers. Isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/30/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 44 fans permalink
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Exactly. Reform doesn't have to cost us a TRILLION or two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/30/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

I wish I could tell you what went through my mind when I saw the picture of these smug self satisfied old men. My stomach aches from holding it in. So long health reform...i­t aint' gonna happen. The gop grabbed the golden ring out of the democrats hands and that is that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/30/2009
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cuddle back under the bed then skippy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 07/30/2009
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Doesn't have any to do with old, it's just the life style they prefer and probably always preferred.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 07/30/2009
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 24 fans permalink
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along with the help of the Blue Dog (non)Dems.

Put Reconcilation back On The Table.

The ends justify the means here.

Since when did the Repigs care about Bipartisonship, and they got their stuff passed - with a much smaller majority!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 07/30/2009
- Decipherer I'm a Fan of Decipherer 99 fans permalink

No, it's NOT "that is that," as if this is over. Far from it, and don't pull a Sarah on us and quit, OK?

Nobody likes a quitter. We've got a long way to go, and the month of August will determine the fate of this legislation.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/30/2009
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Gotta get to work now, but I've enjoyed you all, thanks for making my day, a special thanks to you Horton, you always brighten my day with your humor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 07/30/2009
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:)...have wonderful day M...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 07/30/2009
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 239 fans permalink
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Horton is my favorite primate. Have a great day m

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 07/30/2009
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 07/30/2009
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 79 fans permalink

The highly intelligent Orangutang is a good place to start the ascent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 07/30/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 240 fans permalink
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See ya later, monica...a­nd you're right about horton but don't say anymore about it otherwise it will go to his head...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 07/30/2009
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 07/30/2009
- Amondale I'm a Fan of Amondale 212 fans permalink
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Be good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 07/30/2009
- Littledog I'm a Fan of Littledog 4 fans permalink

Maybe we need an amendment that states no health care except that paid for with cash for any member of congress until they pass a public option. Of course given all the cas they are getting from th industry..­.. Perhaps it's easier to just get rid of the "Republican" Democrats (Blue Dog, Dixicrats) once and for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 07/30/2009
- KewlJoJo I'm a Fan of KewlJoJo 190 fans permalink
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The Govt. forces Kraustian values on us and the Repubs don't object. Their anti-govt pose is just that. Phony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 07/30/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Just following orders from The Family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/30/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 83 fans permalink
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WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WHO RANKINGS ?

The WHO bases it’s comparative analyses largely on life expectancy and infant mortality. Both are bad in the US, but there are reasons that explain this.

LONGEVITY - We have an obese and sedentary population that almost every nation above us in the WHO survey does not have. We also work harder and have more job-related stress on average. These lead to not only premature death (cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, etc) but also to increased costs. Will national healthcare close KFC? Put us on a treadmill? Provide 8 weeks paid vacation?
We also have a mixed racial demographic country. Blacks and Hispanics now make up about 27% of our population and it is a medical fact that these populations are less healthy, die sooner, and have higher infant mortality rates. It’s just the way it is. Canada and the EU don’t share this statistical “burden” and this is not factored into the WHO numbers.

INFANT MORTALITY - We try to save every preemie, no matter how premature. When we fail, it is counted as an infant death. Other nations don’t even try and it is called a stillborn, thus they have lower infant mortality numbers. It is a lot like surgeons, the best thoracic surgeons often have the highest death rates. Why? Because they take on the toughest cases.
Also blacks and Latinos have significantly more high-risk pregnancies due to very early motherhood.

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/060924/2healy.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 07/30/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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pantload

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/30/2009
- KewlJoJo I'm a Fan of KewlJoJo 190 fans permalink
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JuliusR

So, than matters in your own hands , of once, step up and do the right thing and end it all.
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Childish snark in reply to a serious question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 07/30/2009
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Scrubbed question.

Mod's didn't like it so poof it's gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 07/30/2009
- JuliusR I'm a Fan of JuliusR 15 fans permalink
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You serious? Who knew?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 07/30/2009
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Republicans believe in truncation, as in lopping off the undesireab­les--think Natzism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 07/30/2009

ID : ... Every time one posts their insipid falsehoods­...

I used to only ' suspect it ', but as my years on the blogosphere increase..­.

They truly are the party of zero moral compass.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 07/30/2009
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 79 fans permalink

They believe in nothing but their next set of instructions from a radio or fox News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 07/30/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 240 fans permalink
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New main: outrage

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 07/30/2009
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dear god, somone is feeding children again, say it ain't so...they need to be motivated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 07/30/2009
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How apropos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 07/30/2009
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Rep. Ander Crenshaw (R) of N. Florida sent us a lovely glossy mailer yesterday patting himself on the back for obtaining millions of dollars for my district for hospitals, nurses, medical technology and beach refurbishment.

What is so wonderful about it is that this money came from stimulus funds, a bill which Mr. Crenshaw voted against, yet he is so proud of his ability to distribute it to us taxpayers.

The cutest part of his mailer is under the postage in fine print it notifies the recipient that the mailer was paid for by tax payers. Cute, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 07/30/2009
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