Ramirez, Ortiz Doping Report: Sluggers Tested Positive In 2003

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FILE - In this July 31, 2005, file photo, Boston Red Sox' David Ortiz, left, sits with teammate Manny Ramirez in the dugout during their game against the Minnesota Twins at Fenway Park in Boston. Ortiz and Ramirez were among the more than 100 Major League Baseball players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to a July 30, 2009, report in The New York Times. (AP Photo/Winslow Townson, File)

NEW YORK — Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz became the latest star implicated in baseball's ever-growing drug scandal, acknowledging Thursday that the players' union confirmed he tested positive in 2003.

Shortly after hitting the go-ahead home run that beat Oakland 8-5, Ortiz responded to a story on The New York Times' Web site that he and former teammate Manny Ramirez tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs six years ago.

"I've just been told that the report is true," Ortiz said in a statement after contacting the union. "Based on the way I lived my life I'm surprised to learn I tested positive."

The popular Big Papi, who had never been linked to drugs, said he intended to find out what was in his system and would tell the Red Sox and the public.

"You know me – I will not hide and I will not make excuses," he said.

Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa are among the many All-Stars tainted by the cloud of steroids and drugs, which has called into question some of the sport's greatest achievements over the last two decades.

Ortiz and Ramirez led the Red Sox to the World Series title in 2004 – their first in 86 years – and another championship in 2007.

Ramirez, now with the Los Angeles Dodgers, recently served a 50-game suspension for violating baseball's drug policy. Asked about this second alleged doping violation, he told reporters in St. Louis: "You want more information, I'm pretty sure you guys got the phone number to the union. Call the union, and they can explain that to you guys."

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"Me and David, we're like two mountains," he said. "We're going to keep playing the game, and we're going to keep doing good. We're trying to move forward; that's the key here."

Red Sox manager Terry Francona, who guided Boston to those two titles, said the news "blindsided everybody," including Ortiz.

"Nobody condones the use of performance-enhancing drugs ... the testing procedure was confidential. I don't know how you can go back on that now," he said.

In 2003, 104 major leaguers tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs; the results were supposed to be anonymous and are now under court seal.

"Precisely for that reason, the Players Association will not, indeed cannot, comment on whether the information is accurate," union leader Donald Fehr said.

The Times' story cited lawyers involved in pending litigation over the testing results who spoke anonymously because the information is under seal. The newspaper did not say what the players tested positive for.

"Can somebody in baseball – we're all begging, people – get that stupid list out and move on," Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said. "This is ridiculous; this is embarrassing; this is a joke. Whoever is there is there, get them out, and that's it."

As for Ortiz, "too bad for him, too bad for baseball. Too bad for both," New York Yankees star Derek Jeter said.

"I'm sad for everyone. Once again, we're sitting here talking about this again."

There were no penalties for a positive test in 2003 – the anonymous tests were conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004. But federal agents seized the results as part of the BALCO investigation. The union has argued the search was illegal, and the case is currently before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

In the meantime, the names on the list keep coming out one by one.

In June, the Times reported Sosa also was on the 2003 list, and Rodriguez admitted using performance-enhancing drugs after he was linked to the 2003 list earlier this year.

Asked about this latest report involving Ortiz, Rodriguez said, "Well, he's my friend, and I care for David."

"I have nothing else to say about that," the Yankees star said. "No, I'm not talking about it."

Major League Baseball declined to comment on the Times' report, telling The Associated Press it didn't have the list of players who tested positive in 2003. Red Sox owner John Henry did not immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Try as it might, baseball has not been able to escape the drug stain.

"We're just trying to move on and play the game, and play it clean, play it the right way, Texas pitcher Kevin Millwood said. "And this cloud keeps looming over. And when these names keep leaking out, it just builds this whole thing back up again."

The news revived an ongoing debate – should all 104 names be revealed?

"Coming out every couple months with a couple names here, a couple names there, it could go on for years and years and years. It reopens a wound we're trying to close. I don't know what can be done," Seattle pitcher Jarrod Washburn said.

Said Atlanta star Chipper Jones: "It's like somebody wants to keep this on the tips of everybody's tongues. And if that's the case, I'd rather we just got it over with."

Yankees outfielder Johnny Damon played with Ortiz and Ramirez on those championship Red Sox teams. Will fans think those Boston clubs were full of steroid users?

"That probably is what being said, and that's what makes guys like me upset," Damon said.

Ramirez was a long-established star in 2003. Ortiz, in contrast, had been a part-time player before that season.

Ortiz had never hit more than 20 homers in a season as a part-time player in Minnesota early in his career. He came to Boston as a platoon player in 2003 and had four homers by July 1, then hit 27 the rest of the year.

Ortiz followed up with seasons of 41, 47 and 54 home runs as he stamped himself as one of the best sluggers in the game.

Last year, he dipped to 23 home runs, and his slump continued this season. He's hitting only .228 with 14 homers.

Ramirez returned from his suspension this month and quickly re-established his presence in the middle of the lineup for the NL West-leading Dodgers.

Boos have rained down on Ramirez throughout this week's series in St. Louis whenever he comes to the plate or touches the ball.

"He's a great player, and I don't think the suspension has anything to do with it," Dodgers manager Joe Torre said. "Personally, if he never got suspended they'd still be booing the hell out of him."

NEW YORK — Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz became the latest star implicated in baseball's ever-growing drug scandal, acknowledging Thursday that the players' union confirmed he tested positi...
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"He's good, all right, but he's no Clem Johnson. And Johnson played back in the days before steroid injections were mandatory!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 08/07/2009
- YeahDonkey I'm a Fan of YeahDonkey 7 fans permalink
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"I could sit here all day and answer your boring questions.­...ORRRRRR­RRRRRR you could all watch me hit a few Dingers...­..Whats it going to be?"

DINGERS DINGERS DINGERS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 07/31/2009
- JFD8 I'm a Fan of JFD8 13 fans permalink

Sox Nation cheered with no restraint
For winning would end their complaint
Of heartbreak routine
Since 1918
The title was clean, now it taint.

News Short n' Sweet by JFD8
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 07/31/2009
- ChicagoBob I'm a Fan of ChicagoBob 21 fans permalink
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IMHO, all professional sports are corrupt to the core.

Any coverage of the pros should be included in the entertainment pages leaving the sport section to those who play for the love of the games and not for money.

IMHO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 07/31/2009
- jqcitizen I'm a Fan of jqcitizen 6 fans permalink

Major League Baseball, for me, disappeared long ago.

Some of the professional athletes, I thought of as 'Great', became an embarrassment as congressmen, pretending to be leaders.

To me, it is much more fun to watch the young kids playing American Legion baseball, than these so-called 'Professionals'. - And it don't cost a weeks wages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/31/2009
- Bariis I'm a Fan of Bariis 10 fans permalink
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DANG, the Yankees must now be P-Oed after that beat down they got during 2004 ALCS series, in which the Red Sox came behind from a 3-0 defeat and eventually go on to win the World Series. Yeah I know those 2 got caught in '03 but who says they weren't doing in '04 as well. Cooperstown will be inducting far less real talents or barely-there talents to fill the void in the future. Such a shame!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 07/30/2009
- Sandmanj I'm a Fan of Sandmanj 36 fans permalink

By the time these guys were taking steroids in one form or another, steroids were everywhere - and probably everyone capable of hitting a home run or pitching a 9-inning shutout without them was taking them - it was either that or watch your numbers dwindle by comparison and find another career.

The key to getting baseball players off of drugs is to somehow get drugs away from baseball players.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 07/30/2009
- Nolana I'm a Fan of Nolana 2 fans permalink

Another thing - I heard another player say today that at the time of the testing, there were some players who wanted the statistics to show that 5% of players were using, thus causing mandatory testing to be implemented. These players wanted to refuse to take the test, and instead be entered as "positives" on the results, to skew the model toward that magical 5%.

If this turns out to be true, then there are guys on that list who were never even tested - and because of their belief in stamping out PED usage.... they stand to have their reputations ruined if the list comes out in its entirety.

The whole thing totally scre_wed up. The list is not reliable, and they should throw it out start from scratch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 07/30/2009
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Bullpucky.
A MLB player would not have refused the test. Especially if they were clean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/31/2009
- Nolana I'm a Fan of Nolana 2 fans permalink

When the testing was done in 2003, the players were repeatedly promised that the results would be anonymous, ID'd only by numbers, and no names would be attached to the results. The Players Union would never have agreed to the testing without these conditions.

The greater issue to me (and I am a 4th-generation Red Sox fan) is the breach of the confidentiality agreement. The Feds have demanded the list of those who tested positive so that they can go after the dealers.

How will any of us, especially those of us not protected by a huge and wealthy union with unlimited legal resources, be able to protect our rights from similar violations?

At any rate.... I am pretty sure that Canseco was right, and most players used. Not happy about it, but I think that's how it is. PEDs have been rampant in baseball for decades, in one form or another. I am sure that had today's PEDs been available 50 years ago, that they would have been as eagerly utilized by the players then. The current scandal is not evidence of increasing moral decay; morals have always decayed in the presence of money, throughout human history. I still love baseball, and will love it till my dying day. And I don't think David Ortiz is a bad person. (I do think A-rod is a rotter, and have for many years, and it has nothing to do with his PED usage.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 07/30/2009

I agree with everything you mention here. I think though one of the reasons why the Fed's attempts to circumvent the confidentiality clause (assuming they win) won't jeopardize "civilian" contracts with such clauses is that MLB is an allowed monopoly (not sure what the legal term is). That is why the congress can waste time and money having PED users in to testify. MLB doesn't actually play by the normal legal rules that the rest of us and businesses play by. Just a thought, I dunno if that has bearing on the legal case but it seems relevant and something we should keep in mind.

On a side note, as a Cardinals fan crushed by our wimpy effort against your BoSawx, I do a get a bit of satisfaction that another one from that team is tainted. Assuming he's not on the list, this just solidifies Albert "El Hombre" Pujols as the face of MLB. Though I can't talk since we all know StL beloved slugger McGwire used, most likely. Sigh I love the game so much I just want this over and let us move on as fans. Put them in the books with an asterisk and be done with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/30/2009
- Nolana I'm a Fan of Nolana 2 fans permalink

Actually, you should not give up on McGwire, because he never, to public knowledge, tested positive for anything that was outlawed either under federal law nor MLB statutes. Andro was available to any of us at GNC when he was playing, and that was the only thing he was ever shown to have used. Never tested positive for any other stuff.

He was also treated with unspeakable dishonor by that congressional committee, and has been trashed for "not being [there] to talk about the past" because he stood his ground and would not reveal the names of others he thought might have used. McGwire's the tragic figure in all of this.

As I said,I think probably a large percentage of players, from the superstars to the 25th guy on the roster, probably were using in the '90s and early '00s. Players on every team - so if we were to know all the names, you could not name a single game, let alone championship, that was NOT "tainted". I guess you can call that a level playing field.

I take hope and heart that although it is alleged that Ortiz tested positive in '03, he did not in '04...

Incidentally, I do wish your Cardinals had put up more of a fight - how could Rolen not get a single hit in that series? I was so scared of them! Although..­. I was so exhausted by the ALCS that a 7-game WS probably would have done me in. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/30/2009
- OneTop I'm a Fan of OneTop 93 fans permalink
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It's MLB ...... what is the surprise ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/30/2009
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baseball kinda sucks since we don't have 7 foot muscle bound gorillas swatting the ball 700 feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 07/30/2009
- NKR I'm a Fan of NKR 18 fans permalink
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This is sad to hear. I'm a White Sox fan, but always thought David Ortiz was a great player and seems like a really fantastic, stand-up type of guy. He does a lot for his community and is always nice to the media and fans (as far as I know). I can understand why a player would resort to using PEDs, but at the same time I really want all these names revealed so baseball can move on from this corrupt era. Its a great game (the only sport I'm really interested in) and no one really watches it anymore, partly because of all this steroids crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 07/30/2009
- DrBillo1 I'm a Fan of DrBillo1 6 fans permalink
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the commissioner does nothing but play with his fantasy league!---all dopers should be kicked out of baseball--who cares how good they are-obviously the C does--they go after the minor players!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 07/30/2009
- Rinehart I'm a Fan of Rinehart 7 fans permalink

Wow, waiting all those years for a Championship and they were steroid induced. So sad.

Yanks 26 BoSox 2*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 07/30/2009

Don't forget A-Roid was also on that list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 07/30/2009
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BUT, he was not a part of the 26 championships, was he? ...Though sadly other juicers were. Damn it! Almost had you! ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 07/31/2009
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BUT, he wasn't a part of the 26 championships, was he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 07/31/2009

Baseball is America's game, meaning it's totally corrupt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 07/30/2009
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