GOP Blasts Dems' Health Care Legislation: "Dangerous And Costly Experiment"

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ERICA WERNER | 08/ 1/09 10:15 PM | AP

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Attendees to the House Energy and Commerce Committee markup on H.R. 3200, America Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, watch on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, July 30, 2009. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats are looking ahead to a health care showdown on the House floor in September following a key committee's passage of sweeping overhaul legislation.

"This historic step," Obama said, "moves us closer to health insurance reform than we have ever been before."

In a sign of the fight ahead, Republicans on Saturday quickly blasted the Democrats' proposals as a "dangerous and costly experiment" that will run up the federal deficit and overwhelm state budgets.

The 31-28 vote in the House Energy and Commerce Committee late Friday was weeks later than either the White House or Democratic leaders had hoped. Nonetheless, it was a triumph for them.

Appealing for passage, Obama said in a statement Saturday that in the coming weeks "we must build upon the historic consensus that has been forged and do the hard work necessary to seize this unprecedented opportunity for the future of our economy and the health of our families."

The vote came after weeks of negotiations finally satisfied concerns raised by fiscally conservative Democrats – only to produce a compromise that riled liberals.

The liberal opposition was quieted with a last-minute series of changes agreed to early Friday that included limiting how much insurers can raise premiums, and giving the federal government authority to negotiate directly with drug companies for lower prices under Medicare.

"We passed a bill out that shows that we can bring together conservative, moderate and progressive Democrats," Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said after the vote. "We're going to need that coalition on the House floor, and I feel confident that we'll pass a health care reform bill in the House when we come back in September."

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Five Democrats and all committee Republicans opposed the bill.

The measure is designed to extend health insurance to millions who now lack it, at the same time it strives to slow the growth in medical costs nationwide – Obama's twin goals.

While the pace of action was slower than party leaders had hoped, it was speedier by far than the timetable in the Senate.

There, Democrats said a deadline of Sept. 15 had been imposed on marathon talks aimed at producing a bipartisan compromise in the Senate Finance Committee.

In the GOP's weekly radio and Internet address, Sen. John Thune of South Dakota contended that the Democrats' current proposals do not improve health care because it would force millions of Americans in employer-based coverage into a government-run system.

He also said the proposals would burden states because they expand Medicaid coverage without a clear source of funding. In South Dakota, for example, the new requirements could require $45 million a year in new state spending that will "have to come from somewhere, and that means either higher taxes or cuts to other priorities."

"That's what we're facing not just in South Dakota, but nationwide," he said.

Thune said Republicans would seek reforms that allow small businesses to band together to buy affordable health insurance for their employees; protect doctors and hospitals from frivolous lawsuits; encourage wellness and prevention programs proved to cut costs; and give people who buy their own insurance the same tax breaks as those who get insurance through their employers.

Without a bipartisan bill, Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., would presumably have to produce a measure tailored to Democratic specifications, a step he has said repeatedly he would rather avoid. It wasn't clear how much the deadline for the committee to start voting was Baucus' idea, and how much it reflected growing impatience at the White House and on the part of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

The Energy and Commerce Committee was the third of three House panels to act on the legislation affecting one-sixth of the nation's economy. A vote in the full House is expected in September, after lawmakers return from a monthlong vacation. Combining the measures produced by the three House committees could be tricky since compromises agreed to in the Energy and Commerce Committee produced a bill less reflective of liberal priorities than the legislation passed by the Ways and Means and Education and Labor committees.

The biggest example is probably the shape of a new government insurance plan that would compete with private insurers. House Democrats originally tied payment rates for providers in the plan to Medicare rates, but fiscally conservative Blue Dogs in the Energy and Commerce Committee pushed instead for rates to be negotiated with providers, as happens with private companies.

Many liberals fear that would result in higher costs to patients, and the Ways and Means and Education and Labor produced bills with public plans modeled on Medicare.

The Democrats who opposed the final Energy and Commerce bill were Reps. John Barrow of Georgia; Rick Boucher of Virginia; Jim Matheson of Utah; Charlie Melancon of Louisiana and Bart Stupak of Michigan.

Under the bill, insurance companies would be required to sell coverage to all seeking it, without exclusions for pre-existing medical conditions. The federal government would provide subsidies for lower-income families to help them afford policies that would otherwise be out of their reach.

The bill would set up so-called exchanges, in effect national marketplaces where consumers both with and without subsidies could evaluate different policies and choose the one they wanted.

The main expansion of coverage would not come until 2013 – after the next presidential election.

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Associated Press writers David Espo and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.

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- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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Remember when these r!ght wing crackpots declared mandating airbags in automobiles was dangerous?

Whats really dangerous is r!ght wing ideology!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 08/01/2009

They said the same thing about birth control pills for adults and condons for teenagers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 08/01/2009

To those that advocate letting the people that are “too old” or “too sick” to die to save billions of dollars in drugs and treatment I would say: Let those people and/or their relatives and friends to decide on their treatment. Do not let Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi and friends to install those government committees to make that decision for people that worked all their lives to enjoy the best treatment when they get sick.
The Government already collects hundreds of thousands of dollars in Social Security to give back to retirees a small portion of their money in ridiculous monthly chunks only when statistically is too late so they can use the people’s money to maintain the fat Social Security Administration bureaucracy and others.
The Government also collects Medicare and Medicaid taxes from us and use the “65” rule so Companies can use it as an excuse to deny health benefits to retirees because presumably they have their Medicare and Medicaid. Exactly what will happen to all of us, except the Dems in Congress, if Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi and their Dem friends install the Government “single payer” insurance.
Please know that Medicare and Medicaid are an example of miss management and they do not provide the coverage elderly people needs.
We must end the Medicare and Medicaid taxes and allow the people to contribute pre-tax dollars to their own “retirement health Insurance fund”.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 AM on 08/08/2009
- RonGallion I'm a Fan of RonGallion 18 fans permalink
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Honda is recalling 400,000 cars due to airbags shooting shrapnel when deployed. Beside the Republicans have no power, no majority no say. And still your not happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 08/02/2009

Why did the Democrats block an amendment for Members of Congress to enroll in any plan they create for the rest of us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 08/01/2009
- b9Web I'm a Fan of b9Web 2 fans permalink
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Let's get this straight. We do not need a government run health insurance program or health care program any more than we need the socialized fire protection we now have run by governments, local abd state. We need to return to the system Ben Franklin, a great American, founded, which was fire protection provided by fire insurance companies, like the one Franklin owned. Home owners put a fire mark, a company logo, on the front of the house, so the local fire department (organized by Franklin) would know which home got protection and which didn't. Simple. If a homeowner wanted to provide his own fire protection, he could. Just like today you can use the Internet to learn how to perform your own surgery. Health is a choice, not a government mandate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 08/01/2009
- pomawg I'm a Fan of pomawg 3 fans permalink
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Not the best nor the brightest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 08/01/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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But the best his state has to offer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 08/01/2009
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Who knows more of dangerous, costly health experiments than Republicans?

-Tobacco industry (manipulates nicotine levels to sink the hooks of this addictive product deep into dopamine centers of young first users’ brains)
-Corn sweetener-, saturated fat-, & salt-based food industry (born into a society feeding at this trough, no choice til AFTER health damage/addiction)
-Environmental toxin producers [spew lead, mercury, dioxin, PCBs, insecticides, endocrine disruptors & carcinogens]
-Foodborne illness purveyors (& unsafe food-handling procedures)
-Asbestos
-Neurotoxic pesticides
-Teratogenic herbicides
-Shoddy cars
-Maintainers of defective levees, highways, bridges
-Plotters of an unnecessary, immoral Iraq war that blinded, amputated, paralyzed, deafened, brain damaged, burned, harmed the mental health, & otherwise injured/disabled over a million U.S. troops (& put 5,000 in coffins).
-Health personnel responsible for iatrogenic (exam/treatment induced) disease/death of 100s of thousands a year.

List more!

Let’s be honest. Both political parties share responsibility and should share accountability for this. But from which political party have these industries/weak gov't agencies traditionally drawn and do they now draw their principal support and protection? [Of course we can do a great deal to improve our own health, but that is not the focus of this comment.]

And now, malevolents who have infected our air, water, soil, food, and public policy, are plotting fiendishly with the Republicans to block the very reform needed to treat the grievous maladies with which they have striken our citizens.

Stand up to Thune and his Republican buddies, now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 08/01/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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An why do people still join the military if they know they will be wasted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 08/01/2009
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This reminds me of the conservative morons who host talk radio shows who challenge anyone to call in and argue that Americans are denied medical treatment in the United States.

While it is true emergency rooms will take anyone, the bill for those without insurance can be ruinous; running into the thousands.

But regardless of this there is a certain area of medical care that IS DENIED Americans who don’t have insurance. It is called prescription drugs.

Although emergency rooms will take anyone, a pharmacy will not.

Considering medication is how most illness is treated, if you have a chronic disease that requires monthly medication and you do not have insurance and can’t afford the drugs, YOU ARE DENIED THEM. A pharmacy will NOT dispense medication to those that cannot afford them, out of sympathy.

So if you have diabetes, bipolar disorder, high blood pressure or other illnesses that require monthly medication and you can’t afford them you are out of luck.

So yes, there are Americans walking around with diseases that they CANT seek treatment for because they cannot afford the medication without insurance.

And for those who support a system that denies them treatment, you are immoral and a disgusting human being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 08/01/2009
- RonGallion I'm a Fan of RonGallion 18 fans permalink
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That is exactly what Obama is proposing. Denial of service. If you to old, perhaps in a nursing home, or in a wheelchair Obama stated that some of these just need a pain pill and sent home with out treatment. That means to die! That is in the bill I did read it I suggest you do to, although you may need an attorney to explain some it to you, I did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 08/02/2009
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the GOP have a new health care option They call it "Soylent Green"
they have teamed up with the health care industry lobbyists and say this grinding up of the sick and elderly, working poor would be the best solution and the health care industry could rake even huger profits!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 08/01/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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The C street people say we all have the power of prayer to get better and it's free. So, why complain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 08/01/2009
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Not exactly. C Street is only for the chosen, Christian powerful.

We don't fit that description.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 08/01/2009
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But the empire building was not a dangerous and costly experiment?

If I recall, the fine GOP plan for health care during their majority was....uh.­.......uh.­......F YOU PEOPLE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 08/01/2009
- mcmchugh99 I'm a Fan of mcmchugh99 80 fans permalink

You want to know the truth about the Republicans, grandma? They are going to take all the money out of Social Security and Medicarea nd gamble it away on the stock market. You know what they're really like, how they only care about the rich, never about ordinary people. It's not the Democrats who want to throw Grandma in the street with no pension, no food, no medical care. It's the greedy and evil Republicans like those C Street Boys.

That's what our ads should say: Don't let the Republicans throw Grandma in the street!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 08/01/2009
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Wilsonveteran is the typical GOPer , has the same talking points and fear tactics. The problem on this site is that he is communicating with intelligent people, unlike his republican friends. He wants you to believe that change is bad and everyone will suffer with healthcare reform. Everyone already suffers from for profit companies that refuse treatment for more profits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 08/01/2009
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wilsonveteran is stuck in a time warp. My guess is that he didn't go to a private school and felt deprived. I'll bet, too, when Mr. "well into my 50's" is eligible for Social Security that he'll take the check.

It must be terribly depressing to look at life through such a narrow lens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 08/01/2009

If Medicare and Social Security is "Socialistic", just how many Republications refuse it based on their priciples of No Gov't aide?*********just curious

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 08/01/2009
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"all committee Republicans opposed the bill" - oh well, still batting .500!

Real Health Insurance Reform will benefit everybody: individuals, small business owners, corporations and the providers of healthcare. Change is difficult and uncomfortable but our antiquated system of insuring Americans needs to be scrapped. Universal Single Payer coverage would be optimum but it's not going to happen right now. We need a strong, meaningful Public Option that will pave the way for Single Payer. A watered-down compromise that satisfies no one will ensure that Real Health Insurance Reform will be tossed aside and then take another 20 years to address.

Private Health Insurance Companies and their lobbyists have a lot vested in this. Loss of big profits and big bonuses. Never mind the little guy that they regularly deny coverage to. We don't need to fear government control; we need to recognize and acknowledge private, For-Profit control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 08/01/2009

Let's think of some 'dangerous and costly' experiments we've endured since 1999: the repeal of The Glass-Steagall Act, a 1.35 Trillion Dollar Tax cut (still waiting for that to kick-in), giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, the Iraq war . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 08/01/2009
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http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
health care insider wendell potter, former vp at cigna, tells bill moyers how the insurance industry and their lobbyists shape the debate - how they get republicans and blue dog democrats to do their bidding - it's all about money, relationships, and scary lies - watch/read - fascinating -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/01/2009
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Once again the PBS is a government run enity so they only run what is good for the progressives in power. However they do lobby for their business. Won't you if the government was trying to take it over and destroy it. The health insurance business is so heavily regulated that it adds much to the cost of the policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 08/01/2009
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I think Bill McGuire's $205,000,000 annual salary at United HealthCare (and similar payouts all over the insurance industry) have something to do with rising premiums - Medicare's over-head is 3% - I've been dealing with medical insurance claims for 30 yrs, Medicare wins for ease, and for allowing physicians and patients to decide what's best -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 08/01/2009
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p.s. if PBS were run by the government, you'd think they'd have come out and supported the invasion of Iraq, etc etc - instead they just report all views in a factual manner - they are in essence 'public' as in WE the public, not government, broadcasting system - you can look it up -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 08/01/2009
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If you don't like it here, why don't you someplace where you'll fit in and feel more comfortable?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 08/01/2009
- Quinterius I'm a Fan of Quinterius 6 fans permalink
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It is unbelieavable that the Republicans and all these obstructionist "Blue Dogs" still complain about "socialized medicine" and "dangerous and costly experiment­." It is no experiment. Almost every developed country has universal coverage and many include a publicly run element. Australia, for example, has a combination of private and public plan. In this country, we have both public schools and private schools. We also have the public Post Office system and the private FedEx and UPS. For every anecdotal adverse example from Canada and the UK it would be trivial to present 100 worse examples from the US. For an in-depth review of the health care systems in a number of other countries (UK, Japan, Germany, Taiwan, and Switerzerland) watch the PBS Frontlne program "Sick around the world" at:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

While the text reviews, analysis and interviews are useful, the full video which is more than an hour long is extremely valuable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/01/2009
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Yes we have public and private schools. Where do you get the best education and where do you want to send your children. The Private Schools. Yes we have the Post Office, FEDEX, and UPS. Who runs in the red the post office. We have Medicade and Medicare both run by the government and both bankrupt. We have Amtrak run by the government and has not shown a profit since the government took over. The government runs our Social Security and it will be broke soon. So an enity that has failed so much you now want them to now run your health care. Name me one thing the government has run efficiently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 08/01/2009
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The Air Traffic Controllers, ( oops,Reagan fired them). He also raised FICA taxes to use the surplus to hide the true federal deficit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 08/01/2009
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Oh I forgot the PBS is a government run organization almost like MSNBC. They would never say anything bad about the progressive admininstration very much like MSNBC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 08/01/2009
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Do you look at Fox News?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 08/01/2009
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This is not news. The GOP is always blasting somebody. Noise and drama! Ever see the Michael Douglas, Annette Bening movie "The American President"? If not, go rent it. For a movie, it's rather insightful. If it's not trying to scare people over health care, then it's making noise of the supposed threat posted by Iraq...whi­ch led to the worst foreign policy blunder in American history.

Scare, scare, scare!

Boo, boo, boo!

Beware, beware, beware!

People should beware when the GOP is in scare mode (which is most of the time) and goes BOO! in their ears.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 08/01/2009
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No Democrats are trying to scare you with lies. Obama has not tried to scare you with we have to pass the stimulus now or we are doomed. We have to pass healthcare now because it is an emergency. What has he passed that has not been an emergency. He just does not want you to read it or think about it. Just like the stimulus. You want the British system look here.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article4535178.ece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2547393/Patients-should-not-expect-NHS-to-save-their-life-if-it-costs-too-much.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/01/2009
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Bill O'Reilly just called. He said it's time for you to sit down in front of the TV, switch off your brain and absorb his wisdom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 08/01/2009
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