Michelle Malkin, Cynthia Tucker Spar Over Unemployment Benefits (VIDEO) [UPDATED]

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First Posted: 08- 2-09 12:52 PM   |   Updated: 08- 2-09 04:07 PM

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UPDATE: Larry Katz, the Clinton-era economist cited by Michelle Malkin today as offering dire warnings of the way unemployment insurance incentivizes unemployment showed up in yesterday's New York Times saying remarkably different things about unemployment insurance:

Traditionally, many economists have been leery of prolonged unemployment benefits because they can reduce the incentive to seek work. But that should not be a concern now because jobs remain so scarce, said Lawrence Katz, a labor economist at Harvard.


For every job that becomes available, about six people are looking, Dr. Katz said. "Unemployment insurance gives income to families who are really suffering and can't find work even if they are hustling to look," he said.

With the economy still listing, he added, a temporary extension can provide a quick fiscal stimulus. And, Dr. Katz said, when people exhaust unemployment and health insurance, many end up applying for disability benefits, which become a large, unending drain on the Treasury.

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Michelle Malkin, for some reason, was invited to be a part of today's THIS WEEK panel, maybe because she was wandering through the Newseum or something. Anyway, she took on the issue of unemployment benefits by saying that "If you put enough government cheese in front of people, they are just going to keep eating it," which explains why America has never grown tired of cheap cheese and why it's totally led to nobody wanting to strive or excel or have a job in the past three decades.

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Malkin went on to say that "smart economists," including Clinton economist Larry Katz, say that unemployment insurance only prolongs joblessness, and that, basically, if the jobless started starving to death and dying on the streets, it would give them the kick in the pants they needed to get a job again. Everybody just sort of looked at Malkin, like she was INSANE, and George Stephanopoulos very politely said, "Uhm...I don't know if I follow that." To which Malkin replied: "BUT IT WAS A CLINTON ECONOMIST, BLARGLE!" Stephanopoulos was still a bit dumbfounded, wondering why anyone in their right mind would take unemployment benefits "when a job was available."

Malkin's counter argument is that, for some reason -- who knows why really, maybe there was a presidential administration that recorded epic job losses for a decade maybe, it's a real mystery -- there has been unemployment insurance for many weeks. And for some reason, they are going to keep extending it -- as if there was some sort of ongoing economic crisis or something! And because of that, "people will delay getting a job until three weeks before the benefits run out."

Finally, Cynthia Tucker kindly points out that...uhm...if there are no jobs to get, literally no jobs to be had, then it's probably a good idea to sustain people's lives until such time as there are actual, real-life job interviews to go on and real-life employers actually taking resumes and whatnot: "That might be true when there are jobs out there that are available, but there are very few jobs available at the moment. So I don't think that people are just using that unemployment to be lazy, instead of going out and searching for jobs." Malkin attempts to yammer about incentives, but Tucker shuts that down by pointing out that when jobs get advertised, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ATTEMPT TO APPLY FOR THEM, which is a weird way of staying on the dole, forever.

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UPDATE: Larry Katz, the Clinton-era economist cited by Michelle Malkin today as offering dire warnings of the way unemployment insurance incentivizes unemployment showed up in yesterday's New York Tim...
UPDATE: Larry Katz, the Clinton-era economist cited by Michelle Malkin today as offering dire warnings of the way unemployment insurance incentivizes unemployment showed up in yesterday's New York Tim...
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- mkg489 I'm a Fan of mkg489 4 fans permalink

Did ABC pay her for this appearance? Is this her source of income? Because if she communicated this kind of unfactual, delusional and insensitive opinion in an organization, she would be looking for a job too!

ABC needs to ask for their money back. She's providing an inferior product full of defects.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 08/04/2009
- Mikeatle I'm a Fan of Mikeatle 16 fans permalink
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I like the way Malkin was treated. The panelists easily debunked her claims and then pretty much ignored her. That's the way these wingnuts need to be treated!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 08/04/2009
- jamie461 I'm a Fan of jamie461 21 fans permalink

Why would Stephanopolous put a right wing nutburger like Malkin on his show? Why give her legitimacy that she does NOT deserve?!!??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 08/04/2009
- PunKinPai I'm a Fan of PunKinPai 21 fans permalink
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I'm kind of glad he did. She delegitimized herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 08/07/2009

I can only hope that Michelle Malkin will someday be 57 and without a job. Then we'll see if she stays on unemployment insurance because she thinks it is such a good alternative to work. What a piece of work this slug is. All I can say is that hard times hit all of us.......and my wish for her is sooner rather than later.

It is humiliating enough to be without work and living on unemployment insurance (not through my own fault, folks, just a series of really tough events) without having some ignorant slug try to make a name for herself with controversial statements. She truly is not living in the real world....and my only hope is that she will be soon.

Disgusting!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 08/04/2009
- clover61 I'm a Fan of clover61 3 fans permalink
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I'm there with you Boysmom. It's tough out there, especially after 50. Best of luck in your search.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 08/04/2009
- jemborg I'm a Fan of jemborg 65 fans permalink
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Bah, I live in Australia with no time limits on Unemployment Benefits. You are required to look for work. However, nobody wants to live on it forever and our economy is doing much better than the USAs. Now why is that?

Also, we have had Public Health Care for over a quarter of a century (co-existing with Private HC) and no oldies get put down as far as I can see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 08/04/2009
- jemborg I'm a Fan of jemborg 65 fans permalink
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Except my Mum, we had her made into Soylent-Green.

Mmm... Soylent-Green... (drool).

Just kidding. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 08/04/2009
- aaawyeah I'm a Fan of aaawyeah 2 fans permalink
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wtf is Michelle Malkin doing on This Week?!?! seriously!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 08/04/2009

Ahh! Let me think. Take people that have worked and put money into the Unemployment fund all of their lives away when they need it... They then apply work Welfare, Food Stamps, Healthcare. They stop putting money back into the economy... Hmmmmm! Makes sense. Everyone get laid off and we will all have Single Payer Health Care and food. People don't think before they speak. Must be nice to live in a perfect world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 08/04/2009
- Abycat I'm a Fan of Abycat 4 fans permalink

Somebody please explain to me how a roundly discredited mouth like Malkin finds her way onto the air. OK, I forgot Fox. It's so easy. This is the person who thinks it was a good idea to intern Japanese Americans during WWII! This points up a simple fact. Ms Malkin doesn't know crap!
The most highly decorated unit in US military history was an all Japanese force that fought ON OUR SIDE during WWII. They did this while their relatives were interned in camps like Manzanar. Dump this twerp!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 08/03/2009

I was stunned to see Malkin as a guest. I usually tune in to hear intelligent discussions among intelligent people (though George Will works my nerves). Malkin was CLEARLY out of her league. Her vitriol is best suited for FOX "News." The intellectual Ms. Tucker could have easily chewed up Malkin; instead, she chose to respond with confidence & self-restrain; a testament to her character.

Stephanopoulos & company should do a better job of vetting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 08/03/2009
- termgirl I'm a Fan of termgirl 40 fans permalink

Just thinking about Michelle Malkin makes me crave pepto bismol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 08/03/2009
- gabemill I'm a Fan of gabemill 25 fans permalink

Michelle Malkin on "This Week???" I saw it, and I still don't believe it!
Credentials, birth certificate, IQ test???
Walter Cronkite would be very upset at this outrageous attempt at tabloid sensationalism trumping journalism, I feel sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 08/03/2009

Michelle: Look in the mirror - and learn to LIKE what you see -- I promise, it will help you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 08/03/2009

This woman is clearly out of her league. What nonsense she espouses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 08/03/2009
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In all fairness, she does have a point. Not that it's right, but she does have one. Many economists consider payments such as unemployment insurance and worker's compensation are tantamount to paying workers not to work. Having worked in both fields for most of my working life, I can say with some credibility that whether this is the case is far from clear. Who's motivated to go back to work faster? 64 dollar question.

Maybe if she wasn't such a shrill, confrontational, dogmatist she would have been able to get her point across.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 08/04/2009


But the question which arises from the data and statistics is: does such a safety net generally motivate those who are receiving aid such as unemployment ins. "not to work"... or does it motivate them to hold out on taking the crap job in hopes of finding a better, longer-term, within-the­ir-skillse­t, build-a-family job?
I think that in many cases it is the latter, and that as such UI is one economic defense against society falling back to the economics of medieval times, or even more recent eras, when those in power could starve serfs/peasants/coal miners into working/slaving for a pittance. I bet most would not argue against having a system with UI, but would debate the length of time citizens can receive it.
UI also perhaps increases the efficient uses of skills within a society-- I think it is better for someone with welding skills to weld rather than flip burgers. Admittedly, supply-and-demand comes into play, but there are programs which can/do balance that-- student aid, training programs, subsidized daycare, etc.
Admittedly, such safety nets can cause some negative effects on efficiency-- sometimes the problem becomes one of people unwilling to uproot and move to were there are jobs involving their skills.
But overall, without such safety nets... well, serious crime would be up, undoubtably, and the economy would likely be heaving downward in a much worse tumble than currently. There is a good reason it is called "insurance"....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 08/04/2009
- PunKinPai I'm a Fan of PunKinPai 21 fans permalink
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I'm sure you don't know this, since you probably have a job, but to receive unemployment benefits from the federal extension you have to list three positions for which you've applied, with a large penalty for lying. You may also not know that unemployment checks might cover your rent and utilities, if you live someplace really cheap. Not exactly incentive for lolling on the sofa eating bonbons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 AM on 08/07/2009

Finally, a post that doesn't bash Michelle Malkin with a knee-jerk response, and takes a look at what she was saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 08/21/2009
- stusoto I'm a Fan of stusoto 2 fans permalink

Ignorant righty dipsh%*# think U.S. is better than Europe. Have never been there, or anywhere for that matter, just regurgitate old, tired cliches. As they bend over for there right wing manipulators who rob them blind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 08/03/2009
- Dosadi I'm a Fan of Dosadi 121 fans permalink
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I love Michelle Malkin. Just one drink and she was a frat house dream come true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 08/03/2009
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