Obama Deal With Drugmakers Sparks Debate Over Reform

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First Posted: 08- 6-09 04:48 PM   |   Updated: 08- 6-09 05:46 PM

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The White House backtracked slightly on Thursday from reports that it had made a hugely significant and binding backroom deal with the pharmaceutical lobby.

Articles in Wednesday's Los Angeles Times and Thursday's New York Times reported that President Obama had committed himself to blocking any congressional efforts to extract more money from drug makers beyond their pledge to cut $80 billion in costs over 10 years.

But White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that the administration had "not laid down any sand" or "drawn any line" about what type of pharmaceutical industry-related reforms were on the table.

"The goal of all of those at the table, particularly the president, is to see costs come down and to see progress made on that but I don't want to get ahead of negotiations," Gibbs said. "I think that everybody shares the goal of cutting costs for health care but beyond that, I'm not going to get into the specifics."

The New York Times story said that the White House acknowledged that it had "encouraged" an arrangement with industry officials whereby they would reduce projected costs by $80 billion -- and In exchange, the government would not use its negotiating powers to influence the market and would not seek to extract any other money from the industry to pay for a health care overhaul.

On Thursday, Gibbs said the White House was not weighing in on legislation currently being considered by the House of Representatives that would cut against such an arrangement. He did, however, say that the White House felt "comfortable with the amount of money that has been talked about at this point."

News that the White House may have tied its own hands when it comes to finding measures to pay for reform or generate savings came as an irritant for some in the progressive community.

"The irony about the deal, the thing that is so stunning, was this was the thing that Democrats isolated and criticized about the Bush prescription drug plan. It was the example of selling out to the drug companies," said Bob Borosage, co-director of Campaign For America's Future. "It was a pure lobby effort.... It is just unacceptable. [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi has fortunately stated that she is not bound by any deals that are cut that were made with the White House. And this will be a test."

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More than just facilitating a discussion over prescription drug policy, Thursday's news spurred another round of debate over Obama's entire approach to health care reform; particularly his willingness to involve private industry stakeholders.

The White House is keen on noting that it has kept groups traditionally known for fighting reform at the negotiating table. Increasingly, however, progressives are wondering about the cost of this approach. As a candidate for president, Obama lashed out at drug companies for preventing Medicare from negotiating lower drug prices for its patients. As president, a major partner in his efforts at health care reform has been the subject of those attacks: Billy Tauzin, president of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA).

Indeed, throughout the past six months, Obama and his top aides have routinely consulted with some of the titans of the private health care, insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Jeff Kindler, the chairman and CEO of the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, whose employees donated $124,053 to Obama's presidential campaign, has met with the president three times to talk health care. Karen Ignani, the president and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans whose employees contributed only $2,251 to the Obama campaign, has visited the White House four times. Tauzin, whose association contributed a scant $3,555 to the Obama campaign, has visited the president four times. And Stephen Hemsley, CEO of the UnitedHealth Group, a managed care and insurance company that contributed nearly $30,000 to the Obama campaign and $50,000 to his inauguration committee, has visited the White House twice.

The list of attendees has irritated progressives, many of who worry that the increased access means increased influence.

"The whole health reform issue is extraordinarily complex and one of the worries I have ... is the sources providing input in terms of developing policy," said Dr. David Scheiner, a 70-year-old Chicago-based physician who treated Obama for more than 20 years. "Are there any primary care physicians who have been in the field 50 years providing the expertise? Or are there people from the university centers who aren't worried about people?"

But those who have worked alongside the administration insist that, without these consultations, the White House would have found itself in a bigger pickle than it is now. As one Democratic operative noted, PhRMA has so far kept its powder dry, running ads that vaguely support the need for reform. "We'd rather have their ad money now and deal with the drug industry at some other time," the operative said.

Borosage was more torn. "This is the hard question," he summarized. "It is hard to know whether it was necessary or not to get a bill done, given the balance of forces in DC. What it does make clear is that for progressive it is incumbent upon us to organize separately and draw big red lines around things like the public plan."


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The White House backtracked slightly on Thursday from reports that it had made a hugely significant and binding backroom deal with the pharmaceutical lobby. Articles in Wednesday's Los Angeles Times ...
The White House backtracked slightly on Thursday from reports that it had made a hugely significant and binding backroom deal with the pharmaceutical lobby. Articles in Wednesday's Los Angeles Times ...
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- robbep I'm a Fan of robbep 23 fans permalink

I dont trust Obama and Rahm on this one. I cant shake this feeling that in the end the insurance and drug companies are going to make enormous profits off the reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 08/07/2009
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Sorry, but Obama's handling of this has been a disaster. America needs health care reform, and preferably a single payere system, but it's just not in the cards. What a mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 08/06/2009

sign the petition spread the word



http://www.healthcare-now.org/petition/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 08/06/2009
- Dale Larson I'm a Fan of Dale Larson 207 fans permalink
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It's time to end our "risky experiment" of "For-profit health insurance". It's a proven failure.

Support HR676. It's a Single Payer system that is proven, pro-business and pro-people:

* Slashes at least 30% of costs off the top by removing private insurance overhead.
* Companies take health care expenses off their books. Stock value increases. Better able to compete internationally.
* Small companies could have access to higher skilled workers because previously they couldn't compete in the labor market by offering similar benefits.
* More entrepreneurial ventures will launch since they have more money and less unrelated risk.
* Dramatic drop in bankruptcies.
* Dramatic drop in lawsuits. Most of these lawsuits are simply to obtain money to cover health care if something interrupts their coverage.
* Reduced system complexity. Greater efficiency due to fewer regulations.
* Savings from employees not having to fight with their insurers during work hours.
* HSA and MSA dollars redirected back into the economy for goods and services.
* Additional money to spend from not having to carry "uninsured motorist coverage" on your auto policy.
* Contract employment is more viable for workers since they are guaranteed access to health care.
* People are covered when unemployed. No chance of being wiped out financially if you lose your job.
* Health care providers (doctors, hospitals, therapists­...) see increase in business with much less administrative expense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/06/2009
- iceage7 I'm a Fan of iceage7 135 fans permalink

I dont care what back room door deals Obama makes with pharma. I trust Obama. At least he is making big pharma cut costs which has never been done before. At least it aint big oil making backroom deals to maintain their profits. People listen. When you here Obama say health care reform will be done this years unequivocally Obama knows what he is doing. Obama has the trump card. If bipartisan fails if he does not get the required 60 votes he will go with resolution which means he only requires 51 senators to pass the bill. Big pharma and insurance industry know this and thats why they are making concesions now before it is too late. Trust me every time obama speaks on health care and says its going to get done..he knows what he is talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 08/06/2009
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I did trust Obama, but my confidence isn't stubborn. Obama is making some very risky moves that jeopardize my support for his actions. I am, however, willing to give him longer than a few months to prove himself and his tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 08/07/2009
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Here's a compromise solution: Allow insurance companies to classify all nicotine and alcohol related health problems an "Act of God" and let them deny services. That way the Republican Party's "Bubba Base" will disappear in less than a decade and we can keep the pubic option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 08/06/2009
- wizegeye I'm a Fan of wizegeye 33 fans permalink
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Unfortunately, there are probably just as many low income Dems who would be affected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 08/06/2009
- HisPetGoat I'm a Fan of HisPetGoat 70 fans permalink
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I think the strategy should be "divide et impera". First, drive insurance companies out of the game by undercutting them with the public option. After they are extinct, concentrate on limiting the profitability of pharmaceutical companies. Most patent drugs are exploitations of tax funded research and the public should not pay twice for drugs. Pharmaceutical companies should probably do no research or hold patents. They should simply be contracted to manufacture drugs developed in

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 08/06/2009
- HisPetGoat I'm a Fan of HisPetGoat 70 fans permalink
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The term used should be "health finance reform".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 08/06/2009
- HisPetGoat I'm a Fan of HisPetGoat 70 fans permalink
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I think the strategy should be "divide et impera". First, drive insurance companies out of the game by undercutting them with the public option. After they are e.xtinct, concentrate on limiting the profitability of pharmaceutical companies. Most patent drugs are exploitations of tax funded research and the public should not pay twice for drugs. Pharmaceutical companies should probably do no research or hold patents. They should simply be contracted to manufacture drugs developed in university programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 08/06/2009
- HisPetGoat I'm a Fan of HisPetGoat 70 fans permalink
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I think the strategy should be "divide et impera". First, drive insurance companies out of the game by undercutting them with the public option. After they are extinct, concentrate on limiting the profitability of pharmaceutical companies. Most patent drugs are exploitations of tax funded research and the public should not pay twice for drugs. Pharmaceutical companies should probably do no research or hold patents. They should simply be contracted to manufacture drugs developed in university programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 08/06/2009
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US for profit insurance companies should go away. The pharmaceutical industry obviously cannot.

But they sure can be regulated more effectively. AND THEY NEED TO EXPECT YEARS TO REGAIN SEVERELY ERODED TRUST.

This is a former miracle industry gone completely sour because of excess and greed.

The worst of their recent venal practices have literally harmed millions of naive US citizen/patients.

Some (not all) of their CEO's should be in jail- not visiting key congesspeople, senators or the White House.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 08/06/2009
- Raster I'm a Fan of Raster 23 fans permalink

I can't wait to see what Team Obama delivers on health insurance "reform"! The proof wqil be in the pudding, as always.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 08/06/2009

he'll deliver the public into the hands of big pharma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 08/06/2009
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Health "reform" without an public option is delivering the public into the hands of insurance companies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 08/07/2009
- mb32 I'm a Fan of mb32 3 fans permalink

This is getting really confusing. Sen Durbin is saying that Axelrod told him there is no deal. Congress can make more http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=atid=atMOy4yQs4Ys
Durbin says that they wouldn't have felt bound by it even if there was a deal. Most disturbing to me was the fact that Durbin said he would except a bill without a public option. That is unacceptable! I don't know what's going on - either the media has been inaccurate with its quotes and sources or the White House is playing a dangerous game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 08/06/2009
- mb32 I'm a Fan of mb32 3 fans permalink

I think the NY Times should print the entire email they received from Jim Messina. That might clear things up. Because the way it looks now either Obama is playing us (and Congress) or Jim Messina/Max Baucaus and Pharma are playing Obama (and us) or Obama is playing Baucaus and Pharma. Or maybe this is a convenient narrative from the media "Obama is caving....­" I can't wait until we get the final bill. That will tell us for sure who's on our side... I'm trying to be optimistic but this whole process is one heck of a roller coaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 08/06/2009

Hopefully this is a case of engaging your enemies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 08/06/2009
- liberalbug I'm a Fan of liberalbug 50 fans permalink
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sounds like a case of quid pro quo to me. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Deals will be made, deals will be done, no matter who is in power. In the end we all get screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 08/06/2009
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