Obama Town Hall In Montana: "TV Loves A Ruckus" (VIDEO)

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First Posted: 08-14-09 02:48 PM   |   Updated: 08-14-09 05:00 PM

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President Barack Obama held a town hall in Montana today to discuss health care reform Friday.

The president began by addressing the raucous town hall protests around the country -- and his own placid event in New Hampshire earlier in the week.

"The fact is, health care touches all of our lives in a profound way. So it is only natural that this debate is an emotional one. And I know there's been a lot of attention paid to some of the town hall meetings that are going on around the country - especially those where tempers have flared. You know how TV loves a ruckus," he said.

"But what you haven't seen -- and what makes me proud -- are the many constructive meetings going on all over the country," Obama continued. "Earlier this week, I held a town hall in New Hampshire. A few thousand people showed up. Some were big supporters of health insurance reform. Some had concerns and questions. And some were downright skeptical. But I was glad to see that people weren't there to shout. They were there to listen. And I think that reflects the American people far more than what we've seen covered on television these past few days."

Answering a question about Medicaid changes from the mother of an autistic child, he said that the system as is doesn't provide good enough care: "Our system really is not a health care system, it's more like a disease care system. We wait until people get sick, and then we provide them with care."

Asked if he would look to other countries' health care systems as a model, Obama responded that we need a ""uniquely American" system.


The crowd, estimated by the White House at about 1,300 people, was civil though Obama did get some pointed questions. One came from a man who called himself "a proud NRA member," referring to the National Rifle Association, and said he got most of his news from cable TV.

"You can't tell us how you're going to pay for this," the man said. "The only way you're going to get that money is raise our taxes."

"You are absolutely right. I can't cover another 47 million people for free. I can't do that. We're going to have to find money from somewhere," Obama said.

He noted a congressional estimate that legislation being considered in the Senate could cost $800 billion to $900 billion over ten years.

But he said there were ways to find money other than raising taxes, including streamlining the system and eliminating what he said were subsidies to insurance companies.


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President Barack Obama held a town hall in Montana today to discuss health care reform Friday. The president began by addressing the raucous town hall protests around the country -- and his own pla...
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- tonybeach I'm a Fan of tonybeach 3 fans permalink
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 08/18/2009

Rahm Emanuel's brother's outline on how to ration care:

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf

Say goodbye to grandma.

Sure there are uninsured the number that Obama used is 47 million.

Current population: http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

So assuming that of the 47 million, none are aliens or eligible for medicare or medicaid and just not enrolled or can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it we are planning to completely overthrow the best health care system in the world for 15%. However there are aliens, people eligible for government care and not enrolled and those who can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it. In reality we are going to destroy our health care system, bankrupt our country and continue the march to Socialism/Communism in America for really only 10% OF OUR POPULATION. Does not make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 08/15/2009
- amdezurik I'm a Fan of amdezurik 30 fans permalink

you just want to keep giving away tax money to insurance companies. if you don't work for one ogf them and get a piece of it you are even more insane then your posts make you appear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 08/15/2009

I guess its a magical coincidence that none of Obamas town halls produce a raised voice never mind a ruckus but then he assures us he picks randomly who is let into the meeting. I wish he would consider tort reform but when you are a lawyer and your friends are lawyers its hard to consider all the money it would save.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/15/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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...perhaps the reason there was no "ruckus" at President Obama's town hall meeting was because of the swarms of armed Secret Service in attendance. Getting 2 inches from the President's face and screaming like a banshee (as was happening in Senate Town Halls) would have gotten the offender tazed, tackled, and possibly shot. As it should. The purpose of a Town Hall meeting is for EVERYONE to hear and be heard. Not for a few uninformed, extremist jerks to shout everyone down so NOBODY can be heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 08/15/2009
- Rjchinook I'm a Fan of Rjchinook 51 fans permalink
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Maybe its actually respect for our intelligent and compassionate President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 08/15/2009
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There was ample demonstration outside the townhall in Belgrade. And it wasn't behind a barrier one mile away from the location of his meeting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 08/15/2009

Did the guys on C-Street come up with tart reform?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 08/15/2009
- PUAAN I'm a Fan of PUAAN 15 fans permalink
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nudge, nudge, wink, wink, saynomore!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 08/15/2009
- Jazzman323 I'm a Fan of Jazzman323 48 fans permalink
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The most obvious way to cut health care costs considerably would be tort reform, to put limits on lawsuits to doctors. This would cut malpractice insurance and the doctors need to prescribe every test possible to avoid lawsuits.

Not even on the table with Obama. He doesn't care about keeping costs down. He cares about shifting the power to the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 08/15/2009
- Spud777 I'm a Fan of Spud777 7 fans permalink

Jazzy, you got the republican talking points down. Bet you have burned through several fax machines with all the "stuff" they send you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 08/15/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 338 fans permalink
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 08/15/2009
- Pleneras I'm a Fan of Pleneras 53 fans permalink
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Yesterday I processed more first time emergency and Inpatient "request for payment" for the UNINSURED by hospitals on behalf of applicants. Requests are Increasing in numbers everyday from your average "real" americans who owned their homes between 10 to 35 years and have no INSURANCE. Their bills are between 3,000 to 30,000 each. This process of tapping into Medicare funding has been going on for years. They are your average Republicans who are pissed as hell )(and not on tv0 demanding health CARE and an end to INSURANCE! When reality hits close to home for a Republican suddenly they realize what a lying sack of crap their political leaders are. We welcome those former Republicans who now know all the years of hard work of owning a home can vanish in one year as soon as the hospital puts a lien on your home! WAKE UP AMERICA, HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT. This country's lizard brains pray to money and not for the sick and dying! Shame on all of you who protect CORPORATIONS who kill thousands every year by denying payment. Our goverment has a right to cover the uninsured, by what god does it say we cannot? Why should INSURANCE corporations care about the issue if they don't cover them nor plan to? We are human beings not AUTOMOBILES!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 08/15/2009
- babina I'm a Fan of babina 8 fans permalink

Jazzman323, you are absolutely wrong. How in the heck does lowering medical malpractice insurance for doctors decrease health care insurance and ensure they are being treated fairly for the average American? How does that eliminate the recission of coverage at the direction of the insurance company, the insurance company finding any way they can not to pay for your care, the astronomical increases in monthy premiums and out of pocket costs? One thing has nothing to do with the other. The health care insurance company will still dictate your care and make the decisions regarding your care. Your brilliant idea will only result in making the rich richer and the middle class struggling even more. That would be the republican way.

That is the republican answer to everything and guess what, as usual, it won't work. it is obvouis that thirty years of pretty much republican policy has proven their ideas don't work for the average American

Have you noticed lately they'll do anything and say anything to get the power back form the democrats no matter how much it hurts the average American? Despicable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/15/2009

There was tort reform in Missouri years ago, but there is still a problem with escalating costs.

Only two firms control nearly 80% of the entire market! See p.5 of this report.

http://hcf­an.3cdn.ne­t/1b741c44­183247e6ac­_20m6i6nzc­.pdf

Prices are going up because there is no reason to cut prices when you are a monopoly or duopoly. Tort reform will not help as much as you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 08/15/2009
- jdlund I'm a Fan of jdlund 7 fans permalink

I use to think the same thing until I did a little more research. Med Mal counts for a very small percentage of medical costs. Curbing them does almost nothing to cut costs. Sure Med Mal is more costly here than in other countries, but its costs are highly exaggerated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 08/15/2009
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The nominal cost of actual lawsuits is low, but the cost of AVOIDING lawsuits is very, very high.

Some estimates place it as high as 20-30% of ALL health care costs, nationwide.

If you get hospitalized every time you have a high fever, that drives up health care costs dramatically. Maybe you just need to take some acetominophen or ibuprophen. But on the odd chance that it's something more serious and the doctor sent you home with some Tylenol, they could face a massive lawsuit that is both financially and emotionally harmful. Even if they give you treatment by the book, many people will still sue if they feel as if their medical outcome was bad. So, as a doctor you may want to go a step beyond the standard treatment in order to protect yourself. It's not costing him money, if anything he might get a bonus for recommending a hospitalization or an MRI or a specialist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 08/15/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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....not to mention - doctors do a very poor job of policing themselves. What protection would people have from hacks and quacks if malpractice suits were taken off the table?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 08/15/2009
- Spud777 I'm a Fan of Spud777 7 fans permalink

Faux Noise and cable non-news are terrible, they just love the Jerry Springer type cr*p, it helps their ad dollars, not inform the public. I think real Americans are waking up to the fact they are being duped by these corporations and if they really care to educate themselves, they will use the vast information available on the internet, and stop watch the liars on Faux and cable non-news until they clean up their acts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 08/15/2009
- stacib I'm a Fan of stacib 4 fans permalink

I just saw Chuck Todd doing an interview and he had to admit that out of the 25+ town hall meetings that had cameras, only six had folks acting out BUT these are the six that the media is focusing on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 08/15/2009
- DJ23 I'm a Fan of DJ23 12 fans permalink
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So if it wasn't captured on camera it didn't happen?

Because that's what YOU saw on the news?

That settles it. There were only outburst in 6 out of 25 town halls.

Think. Think Think

Just because you saw the six the media chose to show you doesn't mean there weren't others.

You criticize the media and trust them in the same post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 08/15/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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True dat. It reminds me of the week after 9/11, when the media played an endless loop of the planes hitting the towers. Now it's an endless loop of a Rethug screaming at Arlen Specter. Hey MSM- why not quit with the National Enquiere style coverage and actually write a FACT-DRIVEN story for a change?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 08/15/2009
- MossyOak I'm a Fan of MossyOak 42 fans permalink
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Chuck Todd "had to admit" the real story. Sounds like just Todd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 08/15/2009
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 57 fans permalink

Does anyone recall Fox News celebrating 'free speech' and loud, disruptive behavior when people protested the war during the Bush years? Apparently, they are fine with it now. Despicable doesn't begin to describe those at Fox but I love the way Daffy Duck says it, "You're deshpicabal".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 08/15/2009
- titantom I'm a Fan of titantom 31 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 08/15/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 65 fans permalink
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Everywhere in America needs Remote Area Medical since all this wonderful Ayn Rand Method has Trickled Down on us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 08/15/2009
- titantom I'm a Fan of titantom 31 fans permalink


This should be the front page on this blog.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tabby-biddle/healthcare-its-a-you-and_b_259270.html

Along with the photos of what is really happening in this country. It is a tragedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 08/15/2009
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Good stuff ... Many of us agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 08/15/2009
- titantom I'm a Fan of titantom 31 fans permalink

Why is the media and blogs not covering the tragedy that is occurring in Inglewood CA with the numbers of people who are trying to get into get a little Health Care. We need and we will get a strong Public Option.

It is sad that the richest country in the world has thousands waiting to get in line for a free dental or medical check up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 08/15/2009
- winnie47 I'm a Fan of winnie47 37 fans permalink
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They're not covering it because it isn't the National Enquirer, Jerry Springer, WWE Smckdown style of crap that they think will attract the drooling masses. What has become of American journalism? Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 08/15/2009

Lack of documented, published plan for Obamacare, no different then Bush's no plans for Iraq War fiasco.

Obama: I’m going to turn healthcare upside down. Not sure how.

People: I don’t think I’ll like this.

Obama: Haters!

Remember how Bush was supposed to be the idiot who went into Iraq without a plan, while Obama was supposed to be the cool methodical one? And now in spite of all the Administration hoopla, there’s still no Obamacare plan. Or, possibly, the White House has a plan, but won’t tell us what it is. In fact Democrats are using their lack of a plan in attempts to stop debate on Obamacare proudly saying there is no plan! And yet the people don't who want to see a bill, whatever it turns out to be, some bill, doing who-knows-what , rammed through in the dead of night are somehow the ones who are ignorant and being manipulated. Right. No different than Bush's 'I have no Iraq plan, but trust me'. It's Obama's I have no health care reform plan, we will not show you a plan, we will not publicize a plan, but trust me. Sure, that will fly with the public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 08/15/2009
- yphili184 I'm a Fan of yphili184 4 fans permalink

Great speech, Obama is some one who gets things done. I have faith that with our support, real americans who want to see our nation become a more perfect union, he will get it done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 08/15/2009
- chomedey I'm a Fan of chomedey 8 fans permalink

well say

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 08/15/2009
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I am going to piggyback on your optimism. As a Nurse with a Masters in Administration Americans just don't understand how crucial it is to get healthcare for all passed. Don't dislike the messenger so much that you destroy a good message

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 08/15/2009
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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What's to dislike about the messenger?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 08/15/2009
- barksalot I'm a Fan of barksalot 43 fans permalink

The president acted like a used car salesman when this bill first came out. Instead of saying lets all take our time to study this and then try to resolve any issues, he said this needs to be passed right away. A thousand page document. Like a good huckster he knew there would be controvercy and tried to rush it through. He has now lost his credibility and won't regain it no matter how many town halls he stages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 08/15/2009

Sez who?

U.S. President Barack Obama is the only one who can lead us back to as near to a normal, good, old American life as we can get. He has many millions of backers who have seen him make outstanding decisions that have benefitted everyone, even those who so vehemently oppose him now. God Bless Our President!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 08/15/2009
- dillydawg I'm a Fan of dillydawg 58 fans permalink
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Silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 08/15/2009
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very silly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 08/15/2009
- fauxmccoy I'm a Fan of fauxmccoy 20 fans permalink
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bs -- he is not attached to any particular of the 5 bills presented so far (one would surmise that the senate finance committee and it's 6th contribution has his favor to some extent). yes, he had a timeline attached. like he said and those of us who have worked know, if there is no timeline attached then there isn't a need to really accomplish anything. i suspect he is also fully willing to veto a bill that doesn't meet his criteria and even tell his own party to go back and get it right.

at this point we really don't have a final consolidated bill to discuss -- perhaps if the timeline had been met, we could have spent this month of august discussing that before congress reconvenes to vote. it would have at least given us fodder for better discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 08/15/2009
- Pleneras I'm a Fan of Pleneras 53 fans permalink
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Look at the democracies around you, they have no problem giving up pennies to care for all their people. Study? How many more decades does this FAILING system needs to be studied to know IT DOES NOT WORK? Reform to Care and screw the Insurance! We are not cars. You spew the same old nonense that would generate an F in college! Let them Read the damn 1000 pages, that's their job! They do nothing else but vote and pray while committing adultury at C Street!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/15/2009
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