Gay Marriage Fight, "Kiss-In" Protests Smack Mormon Image

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First Posted: 08-16-09 10:13 AM   |   Updated: 09-16-09 05:12 AM

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By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press Writer

SALT LAKE CITY - The Mormon church's vigorous, well-heeled support for Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California last year, has turned the Utah-based faith into a lightning rod for gay rights activism, including a nationwide "kiss-in" Saturday.

The event comes after gay couples here and in San Antonio and El Paso, Texas, were arrested, cited for trespassing or harassed by police for publicly kissing. In Utah, the July 9 trespassing incident occurred after a couple were observed by security guards on a downtown park-like plaza owned by the 13 million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The court case was dismissed, but the kiss sparked a community backlash and criticism of the church.

"I don't think that kiss would have turned out to be the kiss heard round the world if it were not for Proposition 8," said Ash Johnsdottir, organizer of the Salt Lake City Kiss-In.

Atali Staffler, a Brigham Young University graduate student from Geneva, Switzerland, said she joined the 200 or so people who filled a downtown amphitheater for the event because she has watched her gay father and many gay friends struggle to find their place.

The 31-year-old, who was raised Mormon but is not active in the church, said the church shouldn't be involved in Prop. 8.

"I encourage them to promote the values they believe in and to defend their religious principles in advertisements, but civil rights have nothing to do with religious principles," she said.

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Twenty-two people, many of them strangers to one another, gathered under the scorching sun on Washington's National Mall to participate in the national smooch. They were gay and straight, couples and singles of all ages, with placards that read "Equal Opportunity Kisser" and "A Kiss is a Not a Crime."

"This is America. A kiss on the cheek is OK," said Ian Thomas, 26, of Leesburg, Va., who organized the Washington Kiss-In. "It's got to be OK. If not, we're in serious trouble."

About 50 people, mostly gay and lesbian couples, gathered at Piedmont Park in downtown Atlanta and kissed for about five minutes.

"You think that America is evolving into a gay-friendly nation," said Randal Smith, 42, "but what happened in Texas and Utah show us it's still a long way off."

National organizers say Saturday's broadly held gay rights demonstrations were not aimed specifically at the Mormon church. But observers say the church's heavy-handed intervention into California politics will linger and has left the faith's image tarnished.

"What I hear from my community and from straight progressive individuals is that they now see the church as a force for evil and as an enemy of fairness and equality," said Kate Kendell, executive director of the San Francisco-based National Center for Lesbian Rights. Kendell grew up Mormon in Utah. "To have the church's very deep and noble history telescoped down into this very nasty little image is as painful for me as for any faithful Mormon."

Troy Williams, who is gay and grew up Mormon, said ending the tension between gays and the church requires mutual acceptance and understanding.

"For both sides to peaceably coexist, we're all going to have to engage in some very deep soul searching," said Williams, a Salt Lake City-area activist and host of a liberal radio talk show.

Church insiders say Prop. 8 has bred dissent among members and left families divided. Some members have quit or stopped attending services, while others have appealed to leadership to stay out of the same-sex marriage fight.

But church spokeswoman Kim Farah said Friday that Mormon support for traditional marriage has nothing to do with public relations.

"It's too easy for those whose agenda is to change societal standards to claim there are great difficulties inside the Church because of its decision to support traditional marriage," Kim Farah said. "In reality the Church has received enormous support for its defense of marriage."

Mormonism teaches that homosexual sex is considered a sin, but gays are welcome in church and can maintain church callings and membership if they remain celibate.

The church has actively fought marriage equality legislation across the U.S. since the early 1990s and joined other faiths in asking Congress for a marriage amendment to the Constitution in 2006.

Last year at the urging of church leaders, Mormons donated tens of millions of dollars to the "Yes on 8" campaign and were among the most vigorous volunteers. The institutional church gave nearly $190,000 to the campaign -- contributions now being investigated by California's Fair Political Practices Commission.

After the vote, many gay rights advocates turned their anger toward the church in protests and marches outside temples that singled out Mormons as the key culprits in restricting the rights of gay couples.

That constituted a setback for the faith, argued Jan Shipps, a professor of religious history and a Mormon expert from Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis.

Mormonism, Shipps said, has struggled with its image since its western New York founding in 1830 for a host of reasons, including polygamy.

Leading up to Salt Lake City's 2002 Olympic Winter Games, the faith worked hard to craft a modern, mainstream image, touting its unique American history, culture and worldwide humanitarian work to thousands of reporters.

"This really undercut the Mormon image that had been so carefully nurtured during the Olympics," Shipps said.

Church representatives don't discuss public relations strategies or challenges publicly, but at a semiannual conference in April, church President Thomas S. Monson seemed to be clearly feeling a post-Prop. 8 sting.

In an era of "shifting moral footings," Monson said, "those who attempt to safeguard those footings are often ridiculed, picketed and persecuted."

That argument doesn't wash for Linda Stay, whose ancestors were early Mormon converts. Stay said she was doubly transformed by Prop. 8. She and her husband, Steve, finally quit the church -- along with 18 other family members and a few close friends -- and became gay right activists.

The St. George woman's family, which includes two gay children, will play a central role in a documentary film, "8: The Mormon Proposition" currently in production. Stay's son, Tyler Barrick, married his boyfriend in San Francisco on June 17, 2008, the first day gay marriage was legal in California.

Miami-area filmmaker Reed Cowan said the Stays' story is a painful representative of many Latter-day Saint families, including his own, that needed to be told.

"It used to be that I could defend my church and my heritage, but what they did here, they crossed the line and they made it very hard to defend their actions," said Cowan, whose family has cut him off since he began work on the film.

With the gay rights fight far from over, some believe Prop. 8 could continue to frustrate the church's image for years to come, much like polygamy -- the church's own one-time alternative form of marriage -- and a policy on keeping black men out of the priesthood, issues that have lingered years after the practices were abandoned.

"The church is certainly going to survive and thrive, there's no question about that," said the National Center for Lesbian Rights' Kendell, who is raising three kids in California with her partner of 16 years. "The issue is, what will be its image in the average American mindset."

To see the church characterized, because of its own actions, as one in a group of anti-gay religions and as a religion that forces members to choose faith over family is "a tragedy of generational proportion," she said. "And it seems to me, that it was entirely unnecessary."

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Associated Press writers Gillian Gaynair in Washington, D.C., and Peter Prengaman in Atlanta contributed to this report.

By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press Writer SALT LAKE CITY - The Mormon church's vigorous, well-heeled support for Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California last year, has turned the Uta...
By JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press Writer SALT LAKE CITY - The Mormon church's vigorous, well-heeled support for Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California last year, has turned the Uta...
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I'm a gay Christian. I do not view Mormonism as a branch of my religion. I won't make the full theological argument against it here, but I believe it discredits itself. Mormonism is so blantantly made up. Many groups of Christians have crossed the line with their anti-democratic support of these anti-gay crusades. In their support, they undermine the Gospel. Homophobic resistance to gay rights stems from three things.

1. There is a visceral disgust many heteros feel towrds homosexuality.
2. Most people are ignorant of human sexuality and how Nature truly operates.
3. Most people have an infantile understanding of the concept of "God"

It's the third reason that religious people use, but the first and second are the true reasons behind thier support. Bigotry and ignorance, not piety. Just because I personally believe that Mormonism is nonsense doesn't mean I don't support their democratic right to practice that nonsense. However, I do not support an invented right for Mormons or any other faith to force their doctrinal bigotry on others. We gays have the natural right to partner for life with the people we choose. We also have constitutional rights such as equal protection under the law and due process. Religious bigots have gone beyond their constitutional rights and are preventing us from excersizing are rights. Respect is a two way street. Don't get mad at gays hateful of religion if reliogionists want to continue their hatemongering against us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 08/17/2009
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very eloquent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 08/17/2009
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Homophobia comes from political opportunism, including the "visceral disgust" you mentioned. It is always useful for demagogues to find an "other" to vilify, a scapegoat. Witch hunts are nothing new, and the face of the witch may change, but the mechanism is the same.

Even the homophobic behavior of self-hating closeted gay people comes from political opportunism. Their fear of being identified as gay stems from the fear of being shunned, from fear of being identified as "the other" and losing power, society.

"There is a visceral disgust many heteros feel towrds homosexuality."

That is artificial. It's from socialization in a homophobic culture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 08/19/2009
- TheSpecter I'm a Fan of TheSpecter 134 fans permalink
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We need INTERNATIONAL LOVE INS!

PDA's Everywhere 24/7/365

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 08/16/2009
- JohninFL I'm a Fan of JohninFL 6 fans permalink
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"Mormonism teaches that homosexual sex is considered a sin, but gays are welcome in church and can maintain church callings and membership if they remain celibate."

That's a very interesting line. Now let's see, if sex between unmarried couples is a sin, can folks live together and maintain church callings and membership if they remain celibate also?

Hmmm We would like to know!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 08/16/2009
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In other words: "Gays are OK as long as they agree that they're not OK." If you admit that your love is wrong and therefore refuse to partake in it, you're agreeing with the oppressor that it's wrong and you're helping to oppress not only yourself but others.

Self-persecution is a very amusing thing to propose. The Roman Catholic religion has the same idea, although I suppose they can hide behind the absurd forced celibacy requirement for priests and nuns slightly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 08/16/2009
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It's interesting how much sex addiction and sex abuse occurs in churches. It's only natural that they would try to control it outside themselves, because they can't control it within . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 08/16/2009
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That describes the GOP's modus operandi in regard to morals in general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 08/16/2009
- jer9848 I'm a Fan of jer9848 11 fans permalink
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If there is alot of sex at church,Iam going back. :P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 08/16/2009
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There is sex abuse in every walk of life. Don't make it sound like only churches have that problem. The reality is that there are sick people everywhere even in the Christian church.

The Roman Catholic Church has endured a lot regarding this issue and rightly so. When you make your priests uphold a celibacy doctrine that is unnatural what do you expect? A priest is a human being and has natural desires for a woman. When you don't allow your priests to marry a woman they start going after little boys. This is why I left the Roman Catholic Church. So many things they espouse do not make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 08/16/2009
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Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget. Invokes incest and marrying children.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html

Mormon Bush holdover helped write and file anti-gay DOMA brief.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/mormon-bush-holdover-filed-anti-gay.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 08/16/2009
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Still fighting the good fight, I see.
Have a cigar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 08/16/2009
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There is quite a lot about this on Pam's Blog: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/

"Let’s be clear. They are NOT the victims here. The Mormon Church and its coalition have qualified and passed Constitutional Amendments in 30 states to yank away civil rights from gay and lesbian Americans.

The Mormons began this fight in 1988. They have been destroying lives, intimidating people and demonizing an entire class to solidify their base and raise millions and millions of dollars.

Our hope is that as young people discover that they are LGB or T, they do not feel any less of a person because Maggie Gallagher (NOM $160,000 to the Maine campaign), Bishop Richard Malone (Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland, ME $100,000 to the Maine campaign) Knights of Columbus (Catholic Church’s Political Arm $50,000 to the Maine campaign) or James Dobson (Focus on the Family $31,000 to the Maine campaign) gave so very much money to bully them and take away their rights."

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/12505/maine-attorney-general-warned-of-money-laundering-by-nom-dobson-and-others

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 08/16/2009
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Interestingly Sir Arthur Conan Doyle used the intolerance of the Mormons as the basis of the very first Sherlock Holmes story “A Study in Scarlet"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 08/16/2009
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Didn't L Ron Hubbard do that too? It gets so confusing. This week, I'm tempted to worship the talking windowsills of my home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 08/16/2009
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Here's a great little video about "traditional marriages'...such as the bibles acknowledgment of King Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines....

Or how adam and eve's one son killed another son and then had s ex with his mother. (With the verses underneath so you can check it our for yourself)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 08/16/2009
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The current world economic crisis, disease, petulance, this year's Atlantic hurricane season, and all other woe known to man are God's punishment for the world's treatment of homosexuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 08/16/2009
- newleaf I'm a Fan of newleaf 28 fans permalink

I know a lot of Mormon people, and for the most part they are really nice people and do care a lot about family. On the other hand, they are insufferable about moral superiority and some believe their moral doctrine to logic-stretching lengths (no different than other religions, though). They have extremely backed-up views of sex. The special underwear they wear is soooo out there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 08/16/2009
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Too true and too funny. The magic underwear is hot. Little reinforcements sewn on at all the blazing spots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 08/16/2009
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It is hot not hawt. LOL. Maybe men get the better deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 08/16/2009
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(sigh)....Every single day needs to be a "Great Nationwide Gay Kiss-In" day. The fact that we need to do this points to the reality that very few LGBTQ couples express affection outside of their homes. I often see gay couples holding hands in public while looking more like frightened deer in headlights....it hardly resembles the carefree love HETS display every single day.

Of course there are dangers to being OUT, but that is why self-defense is so important when you are ready to live your life openly and freely, without apologies or constraints. As far as the police go, when mainstream America sees law enforcement hauling us away for kissing instead of going after violent criminals, maybe light bulbs will go off.

Then again, I've given up on waiting for "mainstream" America to grow up and mature, thus my advocacy of a GAY TAX REVOLT, for starters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 08/16/2009

exactly - I could not agree with you more. We pay taxes to support the government and people who oppress us. It is time to say NO MORE>>>

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 08/16/2009
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I've had it UP TO HERE with the federal government enabling religious tyranny state-by-state as if it is powerless to defend and protect ALL of its citizens.

I've had it UP TO HERE with society voting emotional, mental, and financial SUFFERING into LGBTQ lives, and the lives of our children. Don't forget, some of our children are the "more valued kind".....y'know - HETEROSEXUAL?

But it seems that here in WA state when a gay man like myself asserts his right to self-defend, people are shocked as if I'm the bully! I think if U.S.LAW led to them losing their home, wife, child, job, pension, possesions, ability to work, etc......they'd KNOW who the REAL bully was! [queer equality revolution]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 08/16/2009
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Equal protection under the law is how America is supposed to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 08/16/2009
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But why do you feel the need to practice man-love out in public? My wife and I keep our intimacy in the confines of our home. That's the way all people should behave in society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 08/16/2009
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Tell that to the teenagers who don't seem to realize that they did not, in fact, invent sex. I don't want to see anyone engaging in full-on sex out in public, either - there is nothing sillier to watch than two creatures mating, and I don't care what species. But a kiss is hardly "man-love in public."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 08/16/2009
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Just what is wrong with a simple kiss hello/goodbye?

It's just a show of affection, like holding hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 08/16/2009
- TheSpecter I'm a Fan of TheSpecter 134 fans permalink
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I want it on record that I FULLY SUPPORT public sex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 08/16/2009
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Garbage//

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 08/16/2009
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In defense of the city I live in. Salt Lake City is a liberal oasis in a sea of bigotry. We consistently elect liberal mayors. Ever herd of Rocky Anderson?
The Utah legislature effectively nullified this voting block with the worst case of jerrymanderining in the country. Voting districts look like a cut pie with the center in SLC dividing the liberals up between all districts overwhelming.
I like it here despite the bigotry. Lots of gay folk here too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 08/16/2009

If we couldn't live with bigotry, we'd have no place to live, I fear. And I suppose some I consider bigots consider me the same. No getting around it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 08/16/2009

Co-signed by another SLC liberal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 08/16/2009

Read your bio. Follow your posts. You are fanned as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 08/16/2009

System is glitched. This is for you goodwithwood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 08/16/2009
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As are you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 08/16/2009
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