Study Shows Massive Rise In ADHD Drug Abuse Among Teens

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LINDSEY TANNER | 08/24/09 06:16 AM | AP

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CHICAGO — Calls to poison control centers about teens abusing attention-deficit drugs soared 76 percent over eight years, sobering evidence about the dangerous consequences of prescription misuse, a study shows.

The calls were from worried parents, emergency room doctors and others seeking advice on how to deal with the problem, which can be deadly. Four deaths were among cases evaluated in the study.

Kids taking ADHD drugs to get high or increase alertness may not realize that misuse of the drugs can cause serious, sometimes life-threatening symptoms, including agitation, rapid heartbeat, extremely high blood pressure.

"They say, 'It's FDA approved, how dangerous could it be?'" said Steve Pasierb, head of The Partnership for a Drug-Free America, based in New York.

In the study, researchers from Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center evaluated 1998-2005 data from the American Association of Poison Control Centers. During that time, nationwide calls related to teen abuse of ADHD drugs, specifically stimulants, increased from 330 to 581 yearly, and there were four deaths. Overall, 42 percent of teens involved had moderate to severe side-effects and most ended up getting emergency-room treatment.

The true number of teen abusers who have bad side effects is likely much higher, because many cases don't result in calls to poison control centers, said study author Dr. Randall Bond, medical director of the hospital's Drug and Poison Information Center.

The surge, from 1998 to 2005, outpaced calls for teen substance abuse generally. It also paralleled an 86 percent rise in ADHD medicine prescriptions for kids aged 10 to 19, from about 4 million to nearly 8 million during that time.

"It's more bad news on an entrenched problem," Pasierb said. His nonprofit group was not involved in the study. Its own research suggests that about 19 percent of teens have abused prescription drugs including medicine for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

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Government-sponsored surveys suggest that teen abuse of stimulants including ADHD drugs has declined in recent years.

The new study was for release Monday in the August edition of Pediatrics.

Mark Stein, a psychiatry professor and ADHD expert at University of Illinois at Chicago, said abuse typically involves crushing and snorting the pills, which speeds up the effects and can produce a buzz or sense of euphoria – along with dangerous side effects.

Kids who develop serious side effects should be taken to the emergency room, where sedatives can be used to treat the problem, Stein said.

The study lacks information on whether abusers were teens with ADHD, but anecdotal evidence suggests many are not.

Stein said the study should not deter use of ADHD drugs in teens who really need them, particularly since there's evidence that kids with ADHD who don't get medication are at risk for abusing illicit drugs.

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On the Net:

National Institute on Drug Abuse: http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/ADHD.html

American Academy of Pediatrics: http://www.aap.org

CHICAGO — Calls to poison control centers about teens abusing attention-deficit drugs soared 76 percent over eight years, sobering evidence about the dangerous consequences of prescription misus...
CHICAGO — Calls to poison control centers about teens abusing attention-deficit drugs soared 76 percent over eight years, sobering evidence about the dangerous consequences of prescription misus...
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Now we see that teens are experimenting more and more in order to get high. Prescription drugs, even over the counter drug abuse in on high rise. What parents can do on their part is to periodically check on the activities of teens and any irregular behavior or health problem should be monitored carefully. I think most of this misleading information to use/abuse prescription drug or OTC mostly comes from their social circle at school. High school variables have changed a lot in couple of years and they can find what they want, even school officials should monitor on the activities of teens carefully. Read the informative blog specially written on High school and its Variables.
http://parentingteens.com/blog/high-sfchool-and-its-variables/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 09/23/2009
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Now listen carefully Johnny...

This is meth. It is an amphetamine. Meth is bad. People who take it get high.

This is Ritalin. It is an amphetamine. Ritalin is good. People who take it feel better...

If you ever get confused it's easy to tell them apart. Ritalin comes in these neat little pills with "Merck" stamped on them.

You must always take your Ritalin. If you do you will feel very high... I mean good...

And Merck needs all the income they can get after that terrible misunderstanding with Vioxx...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 09/10/2009
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Ritalin is not an amphetamine (Adderall is though)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 09/23/2009
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Giving speed to a child is immoral. If you are considering ADHD medication, go with strattera. It's not a stimulant, so it's much more healthy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomoxetine

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 08/30/2009
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9% of c.hildren have ADHD.
http://newideas.net/adhd-rate-children-9-percent-study

I've know many people with ADHD throughout my life. I've never met anyone who was prescribed ADHD medication as a child who is still on it.

Do you think 1 in 10 kids need a class 2 stimulant drug to function? I don't

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 08/28/2009

I've gone to Catholic schools all my life and am glad for it, especially considering the kinds of public schools near me where they'd label you in a heartbeat with some kind of mental illness. The fact is that I've never once met anyone I'd consider adhd. To me kids were either good, decent or not very good students and some where more mischevious then others. I was a good student but very mischevious and when it came to some subjects like Trig or Chemistry forget it. I couldn't focus, I'd get frustrated and began not to care so I'd play around and get in tons of trouble. I'm certain if I'd exhibit this behavior at some schools I'd be labelled "adhd". I have no doubts about that because I was very high energy too. I was a kid and acted like one. Not being able to focus on a boring task is not a disease. Being mischevious is not a disease. Having a lot of energy is not a disease. Not being able to grasp a seemingly difficult subject is not a disease. I think people forgot what they were like as kids and assume kids are supposed to act different then they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 08/28/2009
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Strange. My ninth grade, unmedicated ADHD, dyscalculaic, mischievous daughter is taking Trig, Spanish V, on debate team and is an advanced ballet student. Oh, she does the school musicals as well.

She did take Strattera for a couple years though.

Which of course, makes me a terrible parent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 08/30/2009
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I forgot to mention that she's attended public schools and is also an IB MYP student.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 08/30/2009
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Here are some testimonials from this forum.

" bramapanzer

I was prescribed adderall and had 0 medical tests, only talked to a psychiatrist. Within a week I had a massive anxiety attack and was sent to the ER."

"My cousin died last year from abusing prescription drugs. Another cousin has spent the past ten years in and out of rehab and court missing her child grow up all because of her addiction to prescription drugs. My brother has a huge problem with prescription drugs too, but no one except his wife really knows about it. All three of them were considered 'hyper-active' and eventually put on drugs for ADHD. Those drugs led to other drugs to control the side effects, drugs for depression, drugs for anxiety."

"fscuttle

My brother is one of these people that pushes his kid too hard. They push the kid very hard and send him to a very competitive high school.He does well .I believe he maintains a b/b+. They took him to the doctor to get him on Riddelin so that he might get more A's.The kid was reluctant to take it but the doctor convinced him by telling him he was on the drug himself.Well 2 years later i find out that the kid has anger and frustration problems.Apparently they find holes and knife cuts in the walls and doors of his bedroom."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 08/28/2009
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I don't know anyone who was prescribed ADHD meds as a child who is still on them. Or anyone who says they worked for them long term. I've known a lot of people with ADHD.

9% of U.S. Kids Have ADHD
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/03/AR2007090300729.html

So do you think 1 in 10 people need a class 2 drug to function?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 08/28/2009
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Don't give children ADHD meds before seeing this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5989146416818579730

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 08/28/2009
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Ted Broer, Phd, trying to sell you supplements.

http://www.healthmasters.com/dr-ted-broer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 08/28/2009
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Suplements are better than ritalin.

Psychotic symptoms from methylphenidate can include, hearing voices, visual hallucinations, urges to harm oneself, severe anxiety, euphoria, grandiosity, paranoid delusions, confusion, increased aggression and irritability.

and

The long term effects of methylphenidate such as drug addiction, withdrawal reactions, psychosis and depression and effects in pregnancy has received very little research and thus the long term effects of using stimulants for ADHD are largely unknown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate#Known_or_suspected_risks_to_health

So if you want to take a drug with unstudied long term effects. By all means pill up your children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 08/28/2009
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Whats the difference? If a doctor tells you to take ritalin, and you have to go see/pay him once a month to get a prescription.

Oh wait there is a difference, the doctor is getting paid more, more often.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 08/28/2009
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In the end, it's best to know that the gold standard does in fact include a neuropsychological evaluation before accepting this diagnosis for your child.

It needs a team to diagnose correctly, one that checks for medical, psychiatric and other possible learning disabilities.

Nobody, should take the diagnosis lightly, accept a teacher's recommendation or anything else to be forced to medicate a child for any reason. At the same time respect for the diagnosis at the gold standard, should never be dismissed as a "made up" disorder by bigPharma. bigPharma has many sins, but Ritalin, offered in the 50's and widely available as a four dollar generic, is not one of them.

Claiming that ADHD is made up for bigPharma is nonsense, there are historical references going back almost two centuries to prove the truth.

Hat tip to Fidgety Phillip

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 08/26/2009

Did you even bother to read the article you're posting under MNdrugpusher?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 08/27/2009
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Cute!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 08/27/2009
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ADHD isn't made up.

But the huge percentage of kids getting ADHD meds implies there are parents that would rather give a child meds than except a child's lack of academic performance.

The pills don't cure anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 08/28/2009
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She would rather praise the over prescription of children by parents who would rather hand over a pill then do anything else to help their children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 08/28/2009
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I'm 23 and was a teenager when the ADD craze hit. I would say 80% of the top 20% of my graduating high school class was on performance enhancing drugs (speed.) It helped them in school, but now my little suburb of 8000 is a major cocaine hub for the nearby city. Some of my friends became coke/meth addicts after their doctor stopped prescribing the speed, once you are over 20 they say the effect is different so they cut you off. One of my best friends who legitimately had ADHD still abused his medication and turned to the street. Why in god's name would we give our children this crap? The Japanese gave speed to their kamikaze fighters so they wouldn't turn back, is that what we are doing to our children?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 08/26/2009
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I completely agree. Speed alters the brain, and puts the user at risk for other addictions. I had friend also who moved on to cocaine years after they tried prescribing him ritalin and aderal. The only guarantee in giving a child a CNS stimulant, is harmful physical addiction.

If you are giving a child ADHD or ADD medication. YOU ARE MORALY OBLIGATED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 08/26/2009
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http://www.healthmasters.com/dr-ted-broer

Just another quack, wanting to line his pockets by exploiting concerned parents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/26/2009
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nobody with any common sense cares about your meandering anecdotes they mean nothing, except maybe to the planted shills for Scientology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 08/26/2009
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OK, fine, I was just giving you my life experience growing up with these drugs; if you want to ignore it, that's your prerogative. I'll tell you this much, I don't know ANYONE who has been helped IN THE LONG RUN from these drugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 08/27/2009
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RaisingAwareness -

So when are you going to come clean about your connection to the psychiatric industry? What's up with the 23,000 posts? Either you're getting paid to post your thousands of pro-drug comments or you have some serious mental issues. So which is it?

http://www.cchr.org - must see site about the psychiatric industry

23,000 since Nov 2006? My goodness!

Posted 12:14 AM on 08/26/2009

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Linking to Scientology, once again. Is that all you have?

The vast majority of my posts are political in nature, feel free to read my profile, at your leisure.

I know you woomeisters think this site is dedicated to your cause of fighting off the vaccines, but in fact, it is primarily a progressive, political website. Not a medical one.

I'll stack my posts, and reputation on this site against yours, any day of the week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 08/26/2009
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You were talking about repuatation?

You are a fan of the blogger Rossie O'Donnell.

Hahahahahahahahaha

That is all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 08/26/2009

You have a reputation of trying to stop criticism on this site of many harmful Big-Pharma products. I'll take that challenge any day.

http://www.ablechild.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 08/26/2009
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Continuing your Scientology campaign I see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 08/26/2009
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You seem to rust doctors above all others. So listen to one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5989146416818579730

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 08/26/2009
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You are linking to a man that wants to exploit parents of children with neurobiological disorders that is not a medical doctor.
http://www.healthmasters.com/dr-ted-broer

No, I trust what I know.

After spending countless hours reading and learning about a disability that you prefer to think of as made up.

Which is why I can type freely, without quoting sources on the matter, or searching a video to back up what I know.

It's foolish to blindly trust any doctor, especially a non-medical one trying to sell you expensive supplements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/26/2009
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*trust

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 08/26/2009
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Doctors proscribing the addictive ADD drugs belong to prison to a much larger extent than teenagers caught with marijuana.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 08/26/2009

Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 08/26/2009
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Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 08/26/2009
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ADHD and ADD can only be diagnosed by observed behavior. Giving a child a CNS(speed) to achieve a desired behavior is morally wrong.

Predominantly inattentive type symptoms may include:

* Be easily distracted, miss details, forget things, and frequently switch from one activity to another
* Have difficulty focusing on one thing
* Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless they are doing something enjoyable
* Have difficulty focusing attention on organizing and completing a task or learning something new
* Have trouble completing or turning in homework assignments, often losing things (e.g., pencils, toys, assignments) needed to complete tasks or activities
* Not seem to listen when spoken to
* Have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as others
* Struggle to follow instructions.

Predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type symptoms may include:

* Fidget and squirm in their seats
* Talk nonstop
* Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight
* Have trouble sitting still during dinner, school, and story time
* Be constantly in motion
* Have difficulty doing quiet tasks or activities.

I honestly believe that there are people who do suffer from attention deficit problems. The problem is these criteria are so broad that a large percentage of children end up getting diagnosed. It's barely even discussed or considered that there could environmental issues creating these problems.

So in our world where a doctor will give you a pill for any problem, our children end up jacked up on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 08/26/2009
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That is NOT how ADHD is diagnosed.

Medical rule-out tests for allergies and thyroid issues.

A full neurocognitive battery of tests - including the IVA or TOVA attentional measures, an IQ test, generally the WISC, a battery of achievement tests, generally Woodcock Johnson, the WRAML, VMI and others.
http://home.gwu.edu/~kkid/testing.html (old but representative)
http://www.vdps.net/special/test.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 AM on 08/26/2009
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It is how ADHD is diagnosed.

There are no legal requirements to do any of that, before handing out a prescription or diagnosis by a doctor. They simply need to those behaviors.

It's all a pharmaceutical industry construct to push stimulants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 08/26/2009

You people are ridiculous. You really don't believe ADD exists? And what, people with schizophrenia are possessed by the devil?

Prescription drug abuse is a huge problem. I once had a presciption drug addict steal my migraine medicine out of my purse at a party. I had a pill bottle in my purse with a few pills in it-she took all of them. She was already wasted and took a dose of Neurotin so high I thought it might kill her. But this discussion is just moronic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 08/25/2009
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Psychology is a very young science. We barely understand the brain at all. No one in this thread is arguing that attention deficits exist. My argument is with prescribing speed to child for something we barely understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/26/2009
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So you have no issues with Strattera or Wellbutrin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 08/26/2009
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robbyJ, you clearly have an A G E N D A, please come clean about what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 08/26/2009
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doen't exist*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 08/26/2009
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haha i meant, don't

doesn't everyone feel a little ADD sometimes? haha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 08/26/2009

It doesn't help you case by quoting those who are on trial here.

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Whom exactly do you believe is on trial here RA? The NIMH is just the messenger, correct? Try big pharma/for-profit health care insurance industry/government, the trifecta of bad (read greed) intent. Become aware of their place in all this, if I may suggest a focus.
Love
Bette

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 08/25/2009
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No one is on trial here, but you and your friend are treating it like a witch hunt, why are you so concerned about other people's business to the point where you are making personal attacks?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 08/26/2009
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They are making billions of dollars by keeping speed legal. That's a fact. Do you think they they can afford to pay a few lobbyists? I do.

I grew up in the ADHD generation. I've been on the front lines and seen the human impact of these drugs. I'm 22, have a few friends, who have been "diagnosed" with ADHD and ADD, that I've know for 10 years. They all say it works at first. The problem is the effect over time is horrible on the body and mind.

Looking back all of them say, they should have never taken 1 of those tablets.

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The National Institute of Mental Health is "making billions of dollars by keeping speed legal"? That's laughable, at best.

I don't care when you grew up - you already admitted that you took some other kid's ADHD meds thinking it would help you with a test - I guess your friend's experiences went out the window for you when you thought taking the medication you are supposedly so against might've given you an academic advantage.

Interesting morality.

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But you took them to try to get an academic advantage in college, even though they weren't prescribed for you.

lnteresting moraIity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 08/25/2009

With the whole "who's on trial business," I'm going to defend you MNmommy. ADHD drugs need to be a controlled substance. Its amphetamines you get from the doctor instead of the drug dealer. This is not the pharma company's fault. Ritalin is a good drug to treat ADHD. Making the drug is their job. Restricting access to drugs that are likely to be abused is the governments job.

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Thank you.

It's interesting to me, that at this point, the vast majority of my posts in this thread don't even advocate medication necessarily, just the opportunity to avail yourself to them, once diagnosed.

They certainly are not the be-all end-all of ADHD treatment, I actually believe they are best used in combination with other therapeutic and educational supports for a few years so the child can concentrate on compensation strategies - and then if possible - abandoned. To me, that's the gold standard in treatment, goodness knows, there is no cure.

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tr0ll

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 08/26/2009
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Seeing through a parent's eyes, what better way to lie to yourself about little jimmy's bad grades than getting him a diagnosis, that legitimizes poor academic performance.

Doctors are are really salesman for the pharmaceutical industry.

The fact is if you give those medication to anyone they perform better on tests, how do i know? I aced a few tests using them.

If you are willing to stick a pill like that in a kids mouth, my challenge to you is put it in your own and imagine everyday feeling like that

http://psychrights.org/Drugs/Stimulants4ADHD/JacksonMDcommentaryfor23march2006.pdf

It talks about the largest study done for the FDA hearing on ADHD medication.

Get the facts.

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Why do you keep linking to some anti-med site's take on the results of an FDA Hearing in March of 2006? Of what significance is that?

Here's some other site's take on that hearing:
http://newideas.net/adhd/medication/FDA-hearings
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/ADHD-ADD/2921
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/health/23fda.html?_r=1

If you want know all the facts, you at least need to offer balance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 08/25/2009
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Did you read those articles? it only proves my point even more. 1 in 20 get hallucination the first time they take it.

"I'm not surprised," Dr. Nissen said in reaction to the pediatrics committee's recommendation. "It's difficult to find physicians wiling to stand up to industry."

Not a word about long term use. That's because overtime they don't help at all.

I have some information for you. 2 year old studies are valid.

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