Meltdown 101: A Closer Look At The Huge Budget Deficit Estimates

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CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER | 08/24/09 05:47 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Get ready to hear a lot of huge numbers Tuesday: The Obama administration is expected to boost its estimate of the federal deficit over the next decade by $2 trillion, a move likely to trigger political wrangling over who's to blame and how harmful all the red ink will be.

The White House's Office of Management and Budget is expected to forecast $9 trillion in deficits over the next 10 years, up from a $7 trillion estimate earlier this year, according to White House officials who spoke last week on the condition of anonymity. The increase is largely due to lower-than-expected tax revenues as a result of the recession.

Meanwhile, the Congressional Budget Office will issue its own deficit forecasts Tuesday. The CBO estimated in March that the deficit for 2010-19 would total $9.1 trillion.

Here are some questions and answers about all the numbers.

Q: Why do the agencies' estimates differ?

A: Both the White House and Congress have their own budget agencies to analyze tax and spending trends, and both agencies are required to issue regular budget updates.

The OMB's 10-year estimate was smaller than the CBO's earlier this year because its economic assumptions were more optimistic. The White House projected that the economy would shrink by only 1.2 percent in 2009 and grow at a healthy pace in 2010 and beyond.

The CBO, meanwhile, projected that the economy would contract at a 2.2 percent annual rate this year. That seems closer to the mark, as the economy shrank at a 6.4 percent clip in the first quarter and a 1 percent annual rate in the second quarter.

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Many economists criticized the administration's forecasts earlier this year for being too bullish. Some Republican critics contend that's still the case.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former CBO director, wrote in a memo Monday to the House Republican leadership that the administration is overestimating the amount of revenue it will receive and underestimating spending. For example, the White House is including $640 billion from a program to restrict greenhouse gas emissions that Holtz-Eakin says won't pan out.

Some private economists, though, have become more optimistic recently. Many are forecasting growth between 2 percent and 3 percent in the second half of this year.

Q: Does that mean the CBO is more reliable?

A: In general, the CBO is seen as the more independent of the two agencies, said Gary Burtless, an economist and budget expert at the Brookings Institution.

While both answer to politicians – the OMB director is appointed by the president, the CBO director by the leaders of whichever party controls Congress – "people tend to think (the CBO) doesn't bend to the political winds of (its) masters" as much as the OMB, he said.

Still, both can be "wildly inaccurate" because 10-year forecasts are "at best guesswork," said Stan Collender, a partner at Qorvis Communications and former congressional budget official.

Collender notes that there will be five congressional elections over the next 10 years and any number of foreign and domestic challenges that will make the actual deficit figures very different from the estimates.

Q: Still – $9 trillion! Isn't this going to harm the economy?

A: Most economists are concerned about the government's budget gap, but many consider it a longer-term problem to be addressed in the next couple of years. Getting the economy to grow again is a more pressing issue, they say, and increasing taxes or cutting spending could interfere with that goal.

Taking steps to reduce the deficit now "makes no sense," Collender said. "The right time to do it is when you have unambiguous evidence that the economy is recovering and the recovery will be strong."

Once that is apparent, "we really will have to change government (budget) policy," Burtless said. Otherwise, the sea of red ink could soak up so much capital that it would raise interest rates for businesses that want to borrow and expand.

Q: How did it get this large?

A: Like an overextended shopper, the government is spending more while receiving less revenue. According to the CBO, government spending is up 21 percent in the first 10 months of the budget year that ends Oct. 1, compared to the same period last year, while revenue is down 17 percent.

The OMB is expected to say Tuesday that the deficit for 2009 will come in at $1.58 trillion, a record, though down from an earlier estimate of $1.84 trillion. That's because the administration no longer expects to spend an extra $250 billion it had earlier set aside to help banks.

Much of the additional spending is from the $700 billion bank bailout enacted last October and the Obama administration's $787 billion stimulus package.

The temporary nature of those programs could make the deficit easier to reduce, according to both Collender and Burtless. They note the stimulus package will end in 2010, and other spending should drop once the economy improves.

For example, the government will spend more than $100 billion on unemployment compensation this year, more than two and a half times the amount spent last year. That should automatically decline in a recovery, without Congress having to make any changes, Burtless said.

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Associated Press Writers Jim Kuhnhenn and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Get ready to hear a lot of huge numbers Tuesday: The Obama administration is expected to boost its estimate of the federal deficit over the next decade by $2 trillion, a move likely...
WASHINGTON — Get ready to hear a lot of huge numbers Tuesday: The Obama administration is expected to boost its estimate of the federal deficit over the next decade by $2 trillion, a move likely...
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For all who cannot give our President the time to work on deficit reduction once the financial crisis is better stabilized, get out your checkbooks: the United States Treasury accepts gifts to reduce the national debt.
Accordingly, make your check payable to: ~ Bureau of the Public Debt ~ and mail to:
Attn. Dept. G
Bureau of the Public Debt
PO Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188

Website: http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/

Thank you for your contribution to help reduce the public debt - it is great that we can save our nation from over-reliance on countries like China and take personal responsibility for our country's debts and not push them off to future generation­­s...pleas­e pass this post along to everyone you know so that all can have the opportunity to help reduce the deficit! Not kidding!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 09/11/2009

the numbers are so high I got a nosebleed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 08/26/2009


Is a huge deficits good or bad for the stock market?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6041
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 08/26/2009

Everyday it seems like the lib3rals keep back stepping. We make no progress in anything but getting obama elected. Now we get the same rethreads. NO change we can believe in.

good articles 4 slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

When the public demand change if the politicians won't give it to us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/26/2009
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 67 fans permalink

debtor nations, especially when you are the king of all debtor nations, ever, do not fare well and all have a nasty ending.

sweep that under the tarp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 08/25/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

As Outnow reminded me, the bankruptcy reform act was pushed through just as this make believe real estate based derivative scam was peaking. Somebody knew--in fact, counted on--us not being able to make those predatory payments. I've called it class warfare all along, and I'll not stop now. This is a premeditated pogrom, a vendetta begun on high to destroy the American middle Class. Off shore jobs, stagnate wages, destroy unions, drive people into debt, then take their homes. Then, when they most need the relief that bankruptcy might have offered, it's not there.

You want to talk about manipulation??? How about manipulating the whole country into war, debt and recession.

Analysts can't figure out the fluctuations in Fannie?
Go figure...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 08/25/2009
- cjt1957 I'm a Fan of cjt1957 19 fans permalink

You would think that Obama might want to focas on the Economy instead of waisting his time on a health care take over that will help drive the country even farther down a hole, costing millions of jobs. But then power is what feeds him and all politicans, and the worse off we are the more power they have over us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 08/25/2009
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I have siad it for a long time WE need jobs, Jobs pay taxes. that the bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 08/25/2009

and I thought that pain and itch was hemorrhoids ........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 08/25/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

Gives new meaning to assume the position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 08/25/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

Bush ran the economy for 8 years on nothing but borrowed money and an artificially inflated real estate market that fed the derivatives that have ruined us. His smoke and mirrors approach to showing growth in the gdp just hid the fact that he never pulled us out of the recession he started with his tax cuts for the wealthy and two wars.

Obama's main mistake, imho, is giving trillions to the banks that made this mess and virtually nothing to the people who most need it. Only 15% of homeowners have seen any of the so called credit loosening to save their homes. That won't cut it.

The banks should have been put through receivership, their debts dealt with there, and the stimulus should have gone directly to the people. Trickle down does not work. And neither will this continuing abetting of Wall Street theft.

FDR ran deficits, but the money went into building industry, infrastructure and jobs. So should this admin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 08/25/2009
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 173 fans permalink

As the residential real estate bubble was inflated, the bankruptcy reform act was pushed through to help trap consumers who make more than 55K per year and cannot go into a Chapter 7 bankruptcy without having the bankruptcy converted into a repayment plan under Chapter 13.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 08/25/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

Totally true. What a trap for working Americans, huh? But if you are a corporation or wealthy, you can still do what you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 08/25/2009

evidently Obama didn't follow my "Trickle Up" theory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 08/25/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 144 fans permalink

Apparently you still don't have his ear. Try working for Goldman Sachs for a while then reapply for the white house gig. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 08/25/2009
- emmacop I'm a Fan of emmacop 9 fans permalink

Where's all the blame Bush introductions? Maybe even some HuffPuff readers might want even look at the federal budget, with social programs and interest alone over 70% of the total revenue. Sorry, but you Democrats own most of that spending.

The best thing that ever happened to Bill Clinton was Newt Gingrich. Stole his policies and took all the credit. Obama needs a Newt real bad right now.

It's going to get worse as the Boomers retire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 08/25/2009

Newt is no cure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 08/25/2009
- cjt1957 I'm a Fan of cjt1957 19 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 08/25/2009

Here is a great article regarding what republicans are doing to keep the president from succeeding. And people are falling for it -- to their detrement!

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/15

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 08/25/2009

I agree with you Sun. Most people can't see that we the people have been lied to; stolen from; and swindled. Most bought into this notion that if we freed the rich from doing their fair share, wealth would trickle down. The King will take care of the peasants.

What is really interesting about the clarion call for smaller government; fiscal responsibility and lower taxes is that once again the mere mortals of our population scream facist, socialist and nazi at one man, all the while voting and railing against their own economic interest.

By God duped again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 08/25/2009

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1022-26.htm

Published on Friday, October 22, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
The Bush Budget Deficit Death Spiral
by Robert Freeman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 08/25/2009

if they weren't so STUPID they wouldn't get duped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 08/25/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 195 fans permalink
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It is going to take some time to sig our way out of the Bush tax cuts and the recession. I don't see any o this turning around within the next year or so. It might by 2012. Let's hope we get meaningful health care reform that begins bringing down health care costs and taxation reform at the top that begins to bring in more revenues. The use of off-shore tax shelters must be changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 08/25/2009

the Mayan calendar ends in late 2012...probably before we get any health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 08/26/2009
- inorbit I'm a Fan of inorbit 23 fans permalink
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See what the "conservatives" have wrought! It's going to take years for us to get out of this hellhole!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 08/25/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 24 fans permalink

Debt is just a number if it is not given context by relating it to equity. What is the equity number?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 08/25/2009
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