Torture Memos Used "Overstated" "Exaggerated" Information From CIA

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First Posted: 08-24-09 06:02 PM   |   Updated: 08-24-09 07:01 PM

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Arguments used by Bush administration lawyers in their memos authorizing waterboarding and other forms of torture were based on "appreciably overstated" and "exaggerated" data provided by the CIA, according to a 2004 CIA Inspector General's report released on Monday.

In late 2001, the CIA's Office of Technical Services (OTS) authored a study of how information was obtained from interrogations and what kind of "long-term psychological effects" measures like waterboarding had on detainees. The OTS based its findings on the Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape training given to Navy Seals to bolster their immunity to torture.

But the OTS report -- which was later used by Bush Justice Department lawyers to provide the legal framework for the interrogation of suspected terrorists -- was incomplete at best and misleading at worst.

The CIA's own medical personnel was "neither consulted nor involved in the initial analysis of the risk and benefits" of the techniques described in the study, according to the 2004 CIA Inspector General report. Nor were medical personnel shown the OTS report before it was given to the Bush administration's Office of Legal Counsel -- where lawyers Jay Bybee and John Yoo put together the infamous "torture memos."

"In retrospect, based on the OLC extracts of the OTS report, OMS [the CIA's Office of Medical Services] contends that the reported sophistication of the preliminary EIT review was probably exaggerated, at least as it related to the waterboard, and that the power of this EIT was appreciably overstated in the report," reads a footnote on page 21 of the Inspector General report.

"Furthermore, OMS contends that the expertise of the SERE psychologist/interrogators on the waterboard was probably misrepresented at the time, as the SERE waterboard experience is so different from the subsequent Agency usage as to make it almost irrelevant. Consequently, according to OMS, there was no a priori reason to believe that applying the waterboard with the frequency and intensity with which it was used by the psychologist/interrogators was either efficacious or medically safe."

The IG report makes it clear that even by the Justice Department's standards, waterboarding was misused on several occasions.

According to the report, at one point a review was conducted on the use of waterboard on Khalid Shaykh Muhammad. It was concluded that it had been administered "in a manner inconsistent with the SERE application... and the description of the waterboard in the DoJ OLC opinion, in that the technique was used on Khalid Shaykh Muhammad a large number of times."

A review of videotapes of the interrogations of terrorist suspects, meanwhile, showed similar misuse. "The difference was in the manner in which the detainee's breathing was obstructed," the report reads. "At the SERE School and in the DoJ opinion, the subject's airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency interrogator continuously applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee's mouth and nose. One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency's use of the technique differed from that used in SERE training and explained that the Agency's technique is different because it is 'for real' and is more poignant and convincing."

Arguments used by Bush administration lawyers in their memos authorizing waterboarding and other forms of torture were based on "appreciably overstated" and "exaggerated" data provided by the CIA, acc...
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Has the CIA ever produced real information about anything? They're all about distortion and spin, and prefer their activities never see the light of day; and unless you've a strong stomach it's better that way. Torture continues, today, at rendition sites in foreign countries paid by the U.S. to "host" torture there. And few Americans care, because their ideology is false and their intelligence lacking; all they seem able to comprehend are fairy tales about Obama's birth or "Deather Panels." This used to be a great country but it fell during the Bush Regime and it isn't regenerating: very much the opposite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 08/25/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 291 fans permalink

you got it. And the world is still afire from the blow back of past botched operations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 08/26/2009
- Genep34 I'm a Fan of Genep34 56 fans permalink

Invading an innocent country and spilling the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents for no reason and no benefit doesn't keep us safe. - and torturing them for no reason and no benefit doesn't either.

It endangers generations of Americans to come.

They should be prosecuted for stupidity too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 08/25/2009
- jimrs6 I'm a Fan of jimrs6 12 fans permalink

Perfect. This loser issue for the Dems should surface again next year before the elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 08/25/2009
- Genep34 I'm a Fan of Genep34 56 fans permalink

The GOP is who lost because of this and other issues. Stop crying about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 08/25/2009
- Lemmy I'm a Fan of Lemmy 19 fans permalink

When approval ratings are in decline and thier liberal policies are under fire, they go back to the playbook of "Blame Bush". This time they're going after interogators which Obama said he wouldn't do when he was at Langley earlier this year. The CIA will never forgive him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 08/25/2009
- Genep34 I'm a Fan of Genep34 56 fans permalink

These policies are only under fire by a small percentage of white southern and western repubs. A small minority. It was the education advances and college degrees that are keeping that minority small.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 08/25/2009
- bebecca I'm a Fan of bebecca 9 fans permalink

I'm watching Morning Joke and Pat Buchanan becoming apoplectic about Holder investigating this. I think GWB/Cheney and all really believed that hundred year plan for republicant rule and that they could do anything they wanted without repercussions. Sorry, elections have consequences and so does arrogance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 08/25/2009
- Eartha I'm a Fan of Eartha 4 fans permalink
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My thoughts too, while watching this craziness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 08/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 165 fans permalink

Why were we using SERE methdos on detainees anyway? These methods are used in the training of our combat personnel to prepare for being taken captive by a rogue enemy with no respect for the Geneva conventions. Such methods were applied on our soldiers taken captive in Korea to get them to make propagandistic statements and never to get them to honestly discuss information. Using these harsh procedures was a mistake from the very beginning, has produced very little information of any quality, and, of course, has led to torture which what it was in the first place.

By the way, where is Liz Cheney now to whitewash this whole affair and tell us how Bush was just protecting us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 08/25/2009

In the report the CIA Office of Medical Services said that the SERE practices were so different from the EIT's in application, duration, intensity and on subjects with vastly different conditions that there wasn't even a reasonable analogy. SERE authorities pointed out that because of dramatic problems with recipients water boarding training had been terminated for all services except the Navy. Here only a handful of individuals in each training class underwent the procedure for "demonstration purposes". The exposure was "one time" of short duration with application of water in short bursts rather than in long extended pours. The "psychologist/interrogator" who developed the EIT water board method stated "we wanted to make it 'real" and more poignant".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 08/25/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 165 fans permalink

Yes, but I mean these techniques of waterboarding, sleep deprivation, exposure to extreme hot and cold were used against our prisoners of war in North Korea to get prisoners to make propaganda statements and not to get them to reveal intelligence. They are useful for breaking a person down, but not for getting them to talk honestly and openly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 08/25/2009
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 48 fans permalink
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Mock executions would be really effective on potential suicide bombers!
It demonstrates a lack of understanding their enemy, they still don't.

Vietnam revisited.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 08/25/2009
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so basically they were playing ping pong in an echo chamber and after batting it back and forth a few times the ball popped out as a bowling ball heavy enough to torture people with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 08/25/2009
- Emucrat I'm a Fan of Emucrat 39 fans permalink
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I'm still waiting for prosecution of the whole Bush administration

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 08/25/2009
- jimrs6 I'm a Fan of jimrs6 12 fans permalink

And you will be waiting for a very long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/25/2009

there is a verse in romans chapter 12 verse 3 that say never think of yourself more highly than you ought ; becase you might fall but I know you don't believe that either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 08/25/2009

And remember, the original basis of torture that the SERE program was based on, was a North Korean program aiming to produce FALSE CONFESSIONS from captured American service members, NOT to pull out true info that the subject wanted to keep to himself.

That this methodology was somehow then seen by the Services -- and now is framed by the CIA -- as a reliable way to garner valid information, is a riddle with no answer -- any more than "curing" psychosis with massive electro-shock therapy.

So several people have now been convicted, based on those methods of torture, is an affront to the Nation and to the Services. If I had been "interrogated" using these methods, I would have been convicted too.

So would you have been.

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turn off tv. turn off the lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 08/24/2009
- Marioth I'm a Fan of Marioth 32 fans permalink
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I was dipping into DEEP red blogs today, swimming with them to get a Sense of the debate...hoo-wah...W and Cheney are largely absent from their narrative. No praise. No dissent. Just that awful prescription drug bill. "They Kept Us Safe" was notably missing. I sensed a cringe, a crouch waiting for the grenade to go off, because conservatives, by blood, are law and order types, and law and order were set aside for a crusader war led by the knighs of xe.

This is not going to end well for their 24 heros, and, look, they are not ready for it....though many of them are heavily armed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 08/24/2009
- LiberalLee I'm a Fan of LiberalLee 149 fans permalink

I applaud your willingness to 'dip'as you say into such dark waters.
Couldn't do it myself. I find myself looking for a handy truncheon just to ( as my Granny used to say) Beat some sense into the idjits.
But as you say, they envision themselves as '24'-type heroes. And the world knows them for the yellow dogs they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 08/24/2009
- Marioth I'm a Fan of Marioth 32 fans permalink
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We have not seen the Lizard Cheney on the newzies lately. On supposes she realized every interview she ever gave has another name: grand jury testimony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 08/24/2009
- LiberalLee I'm a Fan of LiberalLee 149 fans permalink

jeez---and I thought I was the only one who automatically looked at her the first time and said, " Eeew...she looks like a pink plastic lizard." My poor hubby nearly snarfed beef stoganoff through his nose.
I can't imagine her giving testimony to a grand jury... After all What DOES one wear to one of those?
lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 08/24/2009
- Marioth I'm a Fan of Marioth 32 fans permalink
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Why, a pink pansuit, what else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 08/24/2009
- LiberalLee I'm a Fan of LiberalLee 149 fans permalink

Can anyone tell me if THESE are the memos that Darthcheney was expecting would exonerate him from his hideous load of guilt over the torture of (alleged) enemy combatants?
'Cause if they are... " Whoopsie! Betcha didn't mean for all THAT to get out, didja Dickyboy?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 08/24/2009
- Marioth I'm a Fan of Marioth 32 fans permalink
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It will impress no one serious, particularly The Hague.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 08/24/2009
- LiberalLee I'm a Fan of LiberalLee 149 fans permalink

Mores the pity, damnitall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 08/24/2009
- lesterbud I'm a Fan of lesterbud 109 fans permalink
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Darthcheney - so perfect.

I was watching a showing of Chapter 1 last night when the (future) Emperor declared "Don't worry about the Senate declaring we are breaking the law, I will tell them what the law is".

Seems like Lucas knew Cheney long before he knew Cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 08/25/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 223 fans permalink
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Wow... GWB lied about everything? SHOCKING!!!

Oh wait... no it isn't. What would be shocking is if he told the truth even once in eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 08/24/2009

WELL IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION! OH GEE LET'S START WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.! IT'S TIME THAT THE DEMS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GIVE THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESERVE JAIL, AND THE HELL OUT OF THE WHITEHOUSE! AFTER YOU RIGHTWING NUTS GO DEFEND THE US CONSTITUTIOT AGAINST YOUR OWN PARTY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 08/24/2009

these peoples in this country always have murders and torture people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 08/24/2009
- LiberalLee I'm a Fan of LiberalLee 149 fans permalink

Stating that, " Well, THEY do it", does not make ANYTHING right.
Or didn't you learn that in kindergarden?
Didn't your Mommy ever say to you, " I don't care if Johnny plans to jump off a cliff. YOU"RE not."
Either we're Better and more humane than our enemies, or weare NO better than tthey are.
Can't have ot both ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 08/24/2009
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