Up To Old Tricks, Wall Street Repackages Bad Mortgages

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First Posted: 08-24-09 10:35 AM   |   Updated: 09-24-09 05:12 AM

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WASHINGTON -- Wall Street may have discovered a way out from under the bad debt and risky mortgages that have clogged the financial markets. The would-be solution probably sounds familiar: It's a lot like what got banks in trouble in the first place.

In recent months investment banks have been repackaging old mortgage securities and offering to sell them as new products, a plan that's nearly identical to the complicated investment packages at the heart of the market's collapse.

"There is a little bit of deja vu in this," said Arizona State University economics professor Herbert Kaufman.

But Kaufman said the strategy could help solve one of the lingering problems of the financial meltdown: What to do about hundreds of billions of dollars in mortgages that are still choking the system and making bankers reluctant to make new loans.

These are holdovers from the housing bubble, when home prices soared, banks bought risky mortgages, bundled them with solid mortgages and sold them all as top-rated bonds. With investors eager to buy these bonds, lenders came up with increasingly risky mortgages, sometimes for people who could not afford them. It didn't matter because, in the end, the bonds would all get AAA ratings.

When the housing market tanked, figuring out how much those bonds were worth became nearly impossible. The banks and insurance companies that owned them knew there were still some good mortgages, so they don't want to sell everything at fire-sale prices. But buyers knew there were many worthless loans, too, so they didn't want to pay full price for the remnants of a real estate bubble.

In recent months, banks have been tiptoeing toward a possible solution, one in which the really good bonds get bundled with some not-quite-so-good bonds. Banks sweeten the deal for investors and, voila, the newly repackaged bonds receive AAA ratings, a stamp of approval that means they're the safest investment you can buy.
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"You've now taken what was an A-rated security and made it eligible for AAA treatment," said Richard Reilly, a partner with White & Case in New York.

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As for the bottom-of-the-barrel bonds that are left over, those are getting sold off for pennies on the dollar to investors and hedge funds willing to take big risk for the chance of a big reward.

Kaufman said he's optimistic about the recent string of deals because, unlike during the real estate boom, investors in these new bonds know what they're buying.

"We're back to financial engineering, absolutely," he said. "But I think it's being done at least differently than it was before the meltdown."

The sweetener at the heart of the deal is a guarantee: Investors who buy into the really risky pool agree to also take some of the risk away from those who buy into the safer pool. The safe investors get paid first. The risk-taking investors lose money first.

That's how the safe stack of bonds gets it AAA rating, which is crucial to the deal. That rating lets banks sell to pension funds, insurance companies and other investors that are required to hold only top-rated investments.

"There's no voodoo going on here. It's just math," said Sue Allon, chief executive of Allonhill, which helps investors analyze such hard-to-price investments.

Financial gurus call it a "resecuritization of real estate mortgage investment conduits." On Wall Street, it goes by the acronym Re-Remic (it rhymes with epidemic).

"It actually makes a lot of fundamental sense," said Brian Bowes, the head of mortgage trading at Hexagon Securities in New York. "It's taking a bond that doesn't necessarily have a natural buyer and creating two bonds that might have a natural buyer for each."

The risk is, if the housing market slips even more, even the AAA-rated investments may not prove safe. The deal also relies on the rating agencies, which misread the risk at the heart of the subprime mortgage crisis, to get it right.

And then there's the uncertainty about the value of the underlying investments, which FBR Capital Markets analyst Gabe Poggi called "totally combustible." Poggi likes the deals because they appear to have breathed some life into the market, but he said it only works if everyone knows exactly what they're buying.

The Obama administration is also working on a plan to get banks buying and selling risky bonds. But the public-private partnership announced this spring is still in the works and has yet to help investors figure out what those bonds are worth. By creating Re-Remics, banks can help start the process themselves.

The concept has been around for years, but it has become increasingly popular lately as a way for banks to sell off bonds backed by commercial properties such as malls and office buildings. Analysts say they've seen a few dozen deals aimed at repackaging debt held over from the mortgage boom. Investment banks have also dabbled in turning collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, into Re-Remics.

That's where Allon gets nervous.

"I think that's trouble," she said.

CDOs are already complicated. Repackaging them makes it harder to figure out what the investment is worth. The more obscure the concept, she said, the more likely the deal has gotten too creative.

Wall Street has a tendency to push the boundaries of good ideas, Bowes said. But he said banks are still smarting from the market implosion and are unlikely to rush into new, risky ventures.

"A lot of the market innovations, they all started out with this fundamentally good concept and they often tend to deteriorate over time, or just evolve into more and more risky versions of the same concept," Bowes said. "This time around, the likelihood is, it will take a lot longer for that to happen."

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WASHINGTON -- Wall Street may have discovered a way out from under the bad debt and risky mortgages that have clogged the financial markets. The would-be solution probably sounds familiar: It's a lot ...
WASHINGTON -- Wall Street may have discovered a way out from under the bad debt and risky mortgages that have clogged the financial markets. The would-be solution probably sounds familiar: It's a lot ...
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Everyday it seems like the lib3rals keep back stepping. We make no progress in anything but getting obama elected. Now we get the same rethreads. NO change we can believe in.

good articles 4 slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

When the public demand change if the politicians won't give it to us? h

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 08/26/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 08/26/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 202 fans permalink
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Isn't Gooper deregulation wonderful?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 08/25/2009

Barney Frank is a "Gooper"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 08/25/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 202 fans permalink
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No. But Phil Graham is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 08/25/2009

obama reappoints Bernanke 'beagle boy' Ben

yay another example of no change. voters were deceived.

good articles 4 slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

guess who will be sitting home on November 21st 2012?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 08/25/2009

Hey hey.. don't sit out just yet. Perhaps we can put a shocking dog collar on him and text taze to 69482 every time he messes up. While we're at it shocking lie detectors on all our news casters. It will at least make life a little bit more amusing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 08/26/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 08/25/2009

Interest rates on All MORTGAGES regardless of size should be reduced to 4.5% immediately: no modifications, no refinances, no requalifying, just change the rates on the lenders computers -- plain and simple!!! Just do it! Everyone will have more cash to buy food, clothing, cars etc. on an ongoing basis!! Stimulate the economy by giving everyone a break! Not just Wall street! Those who have already lost their homes because of "trickster adjustable mortgages" should get a clean slate. If they are working and can pay a low rate FIXED mortgage, let them, do not penalize them by making it impossible ever to buy a home again. Do it now! Call it the Lenders Holiday Solution! Do it! Now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 08/25/2009
- RJII I'm a Fan of RJII 77 fans permalink
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I got nothing but luv for ya, goodytwoshoes. send your post to someone important in DC, cause they need a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 08/25/2009

The crazy thing is, I have been sending this to my congresswoman, my senators, the White House, Krugman, and I can't even remember all the others, but no one, no one responds at all. You are the first person to say something and I appreciate it. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 08/25/2009
- iridium53 I'm a Fan of iridium53 56 fans permalink

well of course they're back to their old tricks.

seven months after Obama's inauguration, at least a year since Bernanke, Geithner and Summers became clear about the problems and reasons of the financial collapse - Team Obama has yet to do anything but give money to banksters to guarantee their already bloated salaries.

No legislation. No proposed legislation. No regulations. Not even in exchange for the hundreds of billions the taxpayers "loaned" (supposedly) these organizations that are still managed by the same individuals that deceived the public in the first place.

To date, the only action that Obama has taken is to make a couple of the bankers pay for lunch.

It is hard to imagine how any President could be more supportive of bankers.

In comparison, FDR had new legislation in place by summer of his first term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 08/24/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

24T$ lent to the very banksters who caused the crash, out of a world GDP of 70T$. Meanwhile Main Street gets.8 trillion over ten years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 08/24/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy I'm a fan of this user 155 fans permalink
How good of an objectivist would I be if I was denying reality?

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You're not an objectivist, Flossy.

Let's just dispense with that myth.

Your are, at best, a right wing ideologue.

and not a very bright one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 08/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 324 fans permalink
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The left-right spectrum is a leftist construct.

The whole ide0logy was a byproduct of the industrial revolution, based upon a limited understanding of what was happening at the time. Even Perry Anderson says that leftism is fading.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 08/24/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

thank you for so effectively proving my point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 08/24/2009
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 278 fans permalink
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The Central Banks are taking their spoils and we can not stop them !

All American can do is pass laws that help all Americans so one day we can free our country from the grip of the Central Bankers and take it back.

Till then every chance we get we must pass laws and take control of our government where we can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 08/24/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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From the article:

The Obama administration is also working on a plan to get banks buying and selling risky bonds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 08/24/2009
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Oh floooooooo­oooooosy..­..come out come out where ever you arrrrrrrrr­rrrrrrrrrr­rrrrrrrrre

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 08/24/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 324 fans permalink
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I'm being completely consistent.

The Nation mag gushed over Muss0|ini in the 30's... The post war era Marx|sts labelled their former competitors and the American right as Fasc|sts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 08/24/2009
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as long as we are clear there is no connection

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 08/24/2009
- MacManLB I'm a Fan of MacManLB 57 fans permalink
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The real estate agents, loan brokers, appraisers, and bankers are up to their old tricks in my neighborhood. The home buyers are being pitted against one another and the houses are artificially inflated. People are paying two and three times what the house is worth. A three bedroom, one bath house came on the market on my street (bank owned) 18 families came by to see it on the first day. They had 30 offers each higher than the previous. This is the same thing that was happening from 2003 to 2007. Somebody needs to go to prison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 08/24/2009
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Can you please add lawyers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 09/07/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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Big surprise - not. If you are still doing business with Wall Street, you deserve what you get, or don't get. For me and mine, it's certificates of deposit from here on out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 08/24/2009
- frug I'm a Fan of frug 14 fans permalink
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Yes. It's easy to con somebody who wants to make a quick buck. And there are many ways to invest your money that bypasses Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 08/24/2009

Retail investors! Buyer Beware!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 08/24/2009
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