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Unemployment, Deficits To Be Far Worse Than Stated: White House

JIM KUHNHENN   08/26/09 12:22 AM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion – more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.

But before President Barack Obama can do much about it, he'll have to weather recession aftershocks including unemployment that his advisers said Tuesday is still heading for 10 percent.

Overall, White House and congressional budget analysts said in a brace of new estimates that the economy will shrink by 2.5 to 2.8 percent this year even as it begins to climb out of the recession. Those estimates reflect this year's deeper-than-expected economic plunge.

The grim deficit news presents Obama with both immediate and longer-term challenges. The still fragile economy cannot afford deficit-fighting cures such as spending cuts or tax increases. But nervous holders of U.S. debt, particularly foreign bondholders, could demand interest rate increases that would quickly be felt in the pocketbooks of American consumers.

Amid the gloomy numbers on Tuesday, Obama signaled his satisfaction with improvements in the economy by announcing he would nominate Republican Ben Bernanke to a second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve. The announcement, welcomed on Wall Street, diverted attention from the budget news and helped neutralize any disturbance in the financial markets from the high deficit projections.

The White House Office of Management and Budget indicated that the president will have to struggle to meet his vow of cutting the deficit in half in 2013 – a promise that earlier budget projections suggested he could accomplish with ease.

"This recession was simply worse than the information that we and other forecasters had back in last fall and early this winter," said Obama economic adviser Christina Romer.

The deficit numbers also could complicate Obama's drive to persuade Congress to enact a major overhaul of the health care system – one that could cost $1 trillion or more over 10 years. Obama has said he doesn't want the measure to add to the deficit, but lawmakers have been unable to agree on revenues that would cover the cost.

What's more, the high unemployment is expected to last well into the congressional election campaign next year, turning the contests into a referendum on Obama's economic policies.

Republicans were ready to pounce.

"The alarm bells on our nation's fiscal condition have now become a siren," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. "If anyone had any doubts that this burden on future generations is unsustainable, they're gone – spending, borrowing and debt are out of control."

Even supporters of Obama's economic policies said the long-term outlook places the federal government on an unsustainable path that will force the president and Congress to consider politically unpopular measures, including tax increases and cuts in government programs.

"The numbers today portend the biggest budget fight we've probably had in decades in the United States," said Stan Collender, a former congressional budget official.

The summer analyses by the White House budget office and by the Congressional Budget Office reached similarly bleak conclusions. The CBO's 10-year deficit figure was smaller – $7 trillion – but that is because it assumes that all tax cuts put into place in the administration of former President George W. Bush will expire on schedule by 2011. Obama's budget baseline, however, hews to his proposal to keep the tax cuts in place for families earning less than $250,000 a year.

Both budget offices see the national debt – the accumulation of annual budget deficits – as more than doubling over the next decade. The public national debt, made up of amounts the government owes to the public, including foreign governments, stood Tuesday at a staggering $7.4 trillion. White House budget officials predicted it would reach $17.5 trillion in 2019, or 76.5 percent of the gross domestic product. That would be the highest proportion in six decades.

Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Elmendorf said if Congress doesn't reduce deficits, interest rates are likely to rise, hurting the economy. But if Congress acts too soon, the economic recovery – once it arrives – could be thwarted.

"We face perils in acting and perils in not acting," Elmendorf told reporters.

David Walker, former head of the Government Accountability Office, said the numbers illustrated the need for a national commission that would review spending and taxing options and present lawmakers with a deficit reduction plan that Congress could approve or reject.

"We're going to have to do a hard course correction once we turn the corner on the economy," Walker, now president and CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, said.

Both Romer and Obama budget director Peter Orszag said this year's contraction would have been far worse without money from the $787 billion economic stimulus package that the president pushed through Congress as one of his first major acts.

At the same time, the continuing stresses on the economy have, in effect, increased the size of the stimulus package because the government will have to spend more in unemployment insurance and food stamps, Orszag said. He said the cost of the stimulus package – which spends most of its money in fiscal year 2010 – will grow by tens of billions of dollars above the original $787 billion.

The White House also credited the $3 billion cash-for-clunkers auto program for contributing to recent economic growth.

Orszag, anticipating backlash over the deficit numbers, conceded that the long-term deficits are "higher than desirable." The annual negative balances amount to about 4 percent of the gross domestic product, a number that many economists say is unsustainable.

But Orszag also argued that overhauling the health system would reduce health care costs and address the biggest contributor to higher deficits.

"I know there are going to be some who say that this report proves that we can't afford health reform," he said. "I think that has it backward."

At the same time, 10-year budget projections can be "wildly inaccurate," said Collender, now a partner at Qorvis Communications. Collender noted that there will be five congressional elections over the next 10 years and any number of foreign and domestic challenges that will make actual deficit figures very different from the estimates.

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Associated Press writers Christopher S. Rugaber, Tom Raum and Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.

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09:24 AM on 08/27/2009
Perhaps if we can find extra-terrestial life in the universe, they will be willing to buy our bonds to fund runaway spending.

Hey why not hope in the above - it's about as sane as believing Obama's version of "stimulus" - aka "expanding the welfare state"- will revive the economy
RTIII
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01:43 AM on 08/27/2009
This really isn't all that hard:

* End the war in Afghanistan / Pakistan.

* End the "war on drugs."

* Tax _all_ corporations substantially - as they were in the 1950s.

* Rebuild American MANUFACTURING by leveling the playing field on products made here - this means remove the burden of health-care from business (single-payer), and provide a leveling mechanism for environmental costs here vs foreign-made products (if the competitor has equal or better regulation / enforcement, no leveling is necessary).

* Nationalize the Federal Reserve so that at least the very first cut of loan interest payments on our (fiat) money goes back to ourselves instead of the bankers!

* Re-institute a progressive tax schedule as we had in the 1950s.

* Return to strong federal support of schools - extracurricular activities, libraries, _science_ education...

Not everything in the '50s in America was done right, but tax policy and an emphasis on manufacturing were right on the -ahem- money.
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:24 PM on 08/26/2009
When will Obama nationalize all american businesses.

With the help o f liberals I am sure we will have a true utopia? No jobs but we can all get to know one another in the lines to see the doctor and the welfare lines
05:52 PM on 08/26/2009
Obamacare will add 250,000 new jobs lost, to go along with the 11% unemployment we have now. When is America going to wake up about this socialist president who has no answers? He is bankrupting this country rigt before your eyes, and many of you just sit there and take it, because "he speaks well and dresses well". That suit is EMPTY! He is merely a talk-show host, with his smooth rhetoric, and nothing behind it!

In my industry, medical device sales, we have already lost 20,000 jobs in medical sales in anticipation of "reform". Lear more at http://www.gorillamedicalsales.com/blog
06:14 PM on 08/26/2009
The problem started long ago, and the Bush Administration took those problems to a whole new level. Obama isn't to blame. Health care reform isn't to blame. Obama is a welcomed change to the recklessness we've experienced over the last eight years. Most of us are smart enough to understand that the incredible damage that was done before Obama took office will be a painful and terribly long process. I guess some of us aren't.
DIdaho
Born in the Air Force (Texas), moved to Idaho in 1
06:31 PM on 08/26/2009
I actually looked at your link, and from what I can tell you're "employed" selling worthless medical devices to people who don't need them because you can bill Medicare - I don't know what you thought you linked to, but it's a motivational page instructing people how to be aggressive at selling themselves. You're a welfare cheat, dude. You're scamming old people. You should be unemployed. And the money you're scamming can go to pay for your health care, because as the recently unemployed you're going to need it.
05:00 PM on 08/26/2009
The claim that the projected $9.1 trillion deficit over the next 10 years is “more than the sum of all previous deficits since America’s founding” is simply not true, if you understand that the total U.S. deficit as of the article stands at nearly $12 trillion. And how did we get there? We can thank Republican administrations, for the most part, with Reagan ($1.7 trillion), Bush I ($1.5 trillion) and Bush II ($5.0 trillion) responsible for more than 70 percent of the accumulated federal debt.

President Obama was handed a fiscal mess, declining tax revenues and two wars in progress. George W. Bush doubled the federal debt in his eight years in office and made no apologies for it. (Remember all the talk about the federal debt not mattering because of its low ratio to the GDP?) Let’s give President Obama some time to turn things around.
For the history of our national debt accumulation, year by year, President by President, go to: http://debtprison.net/images/signs/Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg
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05:04 PM on 08/26/2009
The G. Very helpful info.
04:38 PM on 08/26/2009
What happened to all the jobs that the "Stimulus" was supposed to
provide.

Shovel ready projects. Maybe they should start in Washington.
There is a lot of "stuff" that needs to be shoveled there.

Walmart is packed because almost all the things we need are made someplace else (mostly China).
I got a flag from the USO that actually was made in the U.S.A.

I am still wondering who is profiting from all the scrap automobiles
from the "Clunker" program.
I suppose all the scrap is going to China too.
DIdaho
Born in the Air Force (Texas), moved to Idaho in 1
06:00 PM on 08/26/2009
Well, so far in Idaho, the stimulus has provided around 18,000 jobs. Maybe that doesn't sound like much for you, but it's around 5% of the Idaho labor force. And, it's not flipping burgers. 500 of those jobs are at the Idaho National Laboratory starting a 30-year-delayed cleanup of radioactive waste that sits atop the Snake River Aquifer that provides the drinking water for all of Southern Idaho.

Close to me, there's seven jobs at Tamarack (the tiny town, not the bankrupt resort) converting sawdust waste into biomass fuel. It's not makework. They're permanent jobs making energy from what was filling up the Adams County landfill.

There's another few dozen around my town (again, not huge, but that's out of a labor force of 800) clearing cheat grass and other invasive species that fueled massive, un-natural wildfires which burned several small towns to the ground a few years ago. In what passes for urban areas here (mostly Boise) four road construction programs that were suspended now employ 1,500 people completing them, which will save commuters more than 30 minutes a day and clear some awful congested areas. The Idaho Department of Education was looking at 20% layoffs only a year ago. The pay raise was cancelled, but there were no layoffs, saving nearly 2,500 jobs, some teachers, but many others custodial, administrative and support staff.

Word limits prevent me from going further. This stimulus has kept our deep recession from turning into a depression.
DIdaho
Born in the Air Force (Texas), moved to Idaho in 1
03:18 PM on 08/26/2009
Been sort of modestly fuming about this. Another point missed is that if you looked at America as a business, these numbers would be very different. We account for every dollar of government spending as expense, and every deficit dollar as debt - but we don't account for the asset. Government has an income statement, but not a balance sheet.

Granted, every bullet fired is an expense. But what's the asset of Yosemite and Yellowstone Parks? What's the asset value of the U.S. Interstate system? Of a carrier battle group? What's the market value of the VA hospital system?

Your mortgage is not carried by U.S. Bank (or any other) as a debt. It's carried as an asset. If you file a net worth statement, sure, you list what you owe on your mortgage. But you also list the asset of the home.

The government doesn't do that, and it's a large part of why the Obama debt, however large, is different from the Bush or Reagan debt. If it's invested in infrastructure, in job incentives, in training, in new energy, you have to consider what it adds to a balance sheet. If it's flushed down the toilet of tax breaks for people who do not reinvest it and wars that yield no return, that's a quite different kind of debt.
DIdaho
Born in the Air Force (Texas), moved to Idaho in 1
02:52 PM on 08/26/2009
I was reading a fairly hysterical article from AP today in the Idaho Statesman, and it said that IF (a big if, I haven't given up on the U.S. economy) the U.S. debt goes to 9 Trillion by 2012 it means that every American citizen will owe $30,000.00

Really? 30 grand? For citizenship in what's probably the greatest country in the history of civilization? With a military that makes us the only Superpower? With universal public education? With a vast network of infrastructure - freeways, canals, dams, power grids, bridges, airports, shipping hubs, with huge subsidies for health care and retirement... add your accolades for this country here...

For 30 grand? You'll rack that up in student loan debt getting a Bachelor's degree from Boise State. It'd pay for 2/3 of one year at an Ivy League school. It'll buy 1/10th of a home in most suburban markets. It's the bare minimum you'd spend establishing a small business, and less than 1/8th of what'd it cost to buy into a franchise. It's about 9 shares of Berkshire Hathaway, for crying out loud.

Whether we ever get the will to retire this debt is another question. But if it ever becomes a serious priority for whatever reason, the American people could pay this note off in less than five years. All of it. At around 1/2 the cost of what they're now paying for health insurance premiums. Seriously. Do the arithmetic.
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attilathehoneycom
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11:36 AM on 08/26/2009
Have you people been living in the land of DUH? Is this an epiphany of sorts that you state that the White House is predicting a 10 year Federal deficit of 10M and unemployment heading for 10%? It doesn't take brain surgery to understand that these facts are complicating Obama's megalomaniac push for a major overhaul of Health Care. Yet, in post after post, the Huffington bloggers - led by Arianna Huffington - that maven of misinformation, continue to denigrate the American people's horror of what is happening to our country - and those feelings search for expression in the Town Hall meetings....only to be called idiots, brown shirts, etc. Tell me, what effect to you think this is having on the average American? Government is the emloyee of the American people and it's time it realizes that we don't like our servants to try and snooker us.

I do believe this administration wants our Democracy to crash - so Obama can start from scratch and install his own vision of a Socialist form of government with more and more power given to the White House and less to the other agencies, i.e. CIA. There is a big problem here in that he doesn't have his finger on the heart and soul of the American people. He is awakening a sleeping giant from it's slumber.
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01:59 PM on 08/26/2009
A sleeping giant of misinformed persons who take as "fact" things spewed by right-wing commentators to defend the status quo of trickle up economics even though it is not in the best interests of 97% of Americans.

Your party is dangerously and irresponsibly advocating violence by preying on the low education/understanding levels of their constituents. It may surprise you to know that right wing senators/reps refer to their own followers as the mob & wingnuts. They give thanks for their dim-witted supporters because they can stoke the fire with fear and lies while not a one of their "advocates" knows the difference. Their job is to protect the wealthy top 3%, a group to which they belong. They are bought and paid for; yet their supporters are so naive they cannot see this?!?

As a lifelong liberal I can attest to the fact that since the fall of the Berlin wall, not a single friend, politician or associate has even praised or advocated communism/socialism of the sort the fearmongers from the right are railing against. What they truly fear is a European style democracy where ordinary citizens have a right to high quality education and healthcare. I would tell the right wing they have nothing to worry; the Democrats have sold their souls. The American people, the bottom 97%, will never receive economic or social justice because they are not wise enough to demand it.

Looking for jobs in Europe....
02:38 PM on 08/26/2009
Ok, first of all... your side are the proponents of "Trickle up". 2nd, to suggest that people who are passionate about a major issue such as health care are somehow "[under] educated" is beyond elitist. And I will tell you what... statements such as yours are being collected and will be compiled for live ammo for a complete wipe out of the Democratic Majority in 2010.... By then you'd better be at least halfway across the Atlantic. We won't miss ya!
11:32 AM on 08/26/2009
Everyday it seems like the lib3rals keep back stepping. We make no progress in anything but getting obama elected. Now we get the same rethreads. NO change we can believe in.

good articles 4 slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

When the public demand change if the politicians won't give it to us?
09:15 AM on 08/26/2009
Why do working class Americans participate in Capitalism when it only benefits the already wealthy 3%?
10:34 AM on 08/26/2009
Because the people we elect are controlled by these 3%.. They do not run the country on what is best for the majority of Americans.. They run this government according to what is best for their political future , their reelection and their pocket-book..
The very people making these laws that effect taxes have an effect on their wealth and lives as well.
These people are looking not only for their power and wealth , but to make sure their children and their children's children KEEP this power and wealth..
We do not fit into their equation.
09:09 AM on 08/26/2009
We're homeless, sick, broke, no mobility, no affordable education.

But remember, - protectionism would be bad.
03:11 AM on 08/26/2009
Hey, friends, I don't remember which administration it was, but those years when all of our manufacturing went out the door and headed to China and other places, that is when this slide to the bottom began. Now the question on everybody's mind should be, how to get begin anew with jobs created here for Americans here?. Stop blaming this person or that person. We need to focus our energies in another direction. Lets get some brains together and get back to being self-sufficient; how do we do that? Anyone know? Whenever you go shopping, to Target, Wal-Mart, Sears, ask yourself, whare the the goods with the label "Made in the U.S.A.? I know there is a website madeinU.S.A..com
Buy bicycles made here in the U.S.A. See Trailmate. Go see Rhoadescars--4 wheeled cycles.
There are places where we can American; if we have the will!
Peace!
02:38 AM on 08/26/2009
Just what do you expect after eight years of wasting the Clinton surplus, welfare like tax breaks for the wealthy and then leaving the right war unfinished to go and fight a lied about war?
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wilsonveteran
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02:09 AM on 08/26/2009
I see two things in the post here. One is the statement lets try a little socialism. Can anyone here show me a country where socialism has worked. Next is everyone is still blaming Bush. Bush left us with this deficit. Well Bushs last deficit was 545 billion while Obama's this year is 1.9 trillion. Oh by the way for the next ten years it will jump to 9 trillion. Fianally can anyone point to one thing the Obama administration has done to stimulate the economy. Don't say the stimulus bill because that has proven it is not working.
09:54 AM on 08/26/2009
Easily Cuba if socialism has failed the people would off kicked Fidel out and put his brother in charge.
10:03 AM on 08/26/2009
You're holding Cuba as an example of successful socialism? You are being facetious right?
02:45 PM on 08/26/2009
WHoa! Reset
02:34 PM on 08/26/2009
We've had many socialistic programs in this country for years. It doesn't make for a Socialistic gov.! All fear tactics from right wing corporate mongers, proven by the handouts to line their pockets by "the government." They sure didn't turn down a bailout and yell Socialism!
With this down turn banks and auto industry have been given their stay and saved by the stimulus. We saw money go to their bonsus's. Why is it we see nothing done in housing that matters, and the work force? The very factions that can build this economy back up are the ones seemingly ignored here, or at least put on the bottom rung! Obama has moved much too slowly for the middle class. I feel he is placing too much importance on Republican support. They are a mean unsupportive, unproductive bunch who we don't need. He doesn't seem to get that we elected him, not Republicans.


We need to see more actively jobs coming back, foreclosures curtailed, and the healthcare with public option passed. If not I don't see a second term for this president. Just another good reason the right opposes him along with their payoff's to lobbyists...They don't want the president to succeed at anything that may give him a second term. Their only concerns are not 'we the people,' but their own self serving goals. It's time the president get back from Martha's Vineyard and go to work for the middle class!