Rep. Kirk Stocks Town Hall With Supporters, Claims Only 7 Million Uninsured Americans

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HuffPost's Eyes & Ears   |  Ellen Gill
First Posted: 08-28-09 12:33 PM   |   Updated: 08-28-09 06:11 PM

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Ellen Beth Gill reported from Arlington Heights, Illinois as part of HuffPost's Eyes & Ears Town Hall Watch.

Representative Mark Kirk's (R-IL) August 24 health care town hall in Arlington Heights, Illinois may have been a little different than the gatherings most of us have been hearing about. There were no swastikas; no guns that anyone saw or reported. There was no shouting about death panels and no violence except for a man standing next to me who seemed determined to push me down the step I was standing on so he could brandish his anti-reform sign for news cameras.

Why so calm?

Kirk had sent an email to his supporters instructing them to come hours before the event and reserve seats in the small meeting room. Health Care reformers and undecided constituents who did not know to come hours early were largely left out. To appear to open up the event to all, Kirk added a second meeting just after the initial one, but that event required a ticket, and tickets were handed out mostly to supporters. So, for both sessions, the room was heavily stacked in Kirk's favor. In fact, many questioners were on a first name basis with the aid who was holding the microphone for the question and answer session.

Kirk started out with a power point presentation arguing the case against reform. He began by telling attendees that there are too few uninsured to warrant sweeping reform. Using a combination of old statistics and some fuzzy math, Kirk made the argument that there are really only about 7 million uninsured. He did this by starting with 45.7 million uninsured based on 2005 statistics from an unknown source and backing out 9.5 million non-citizens, 12 million he claimed are eligible for current government programs, 9.1 million who he claimed are only briefly uninsured and 7.3 million he claimed were wealthy enough to afford their own insurance, but did not.

Kirk followed with an analysis of internationally comparative medical outcomes. Kirk defined medical outcomes by the number of tests, procedures and appointments with specialists. Under Kirk's logic, if you got the test, you were probably cured. His data did not include statistics that most medical professionals consider important in quantifying medical outcomes such as serious medical mistakes and hospital readmission rates. Kirk also limited his discussion of outcome rates to those who can afford care. He looked at mortality rates for cancer, but his comparison was skewed because he ignored other diseases and those who are left out of the system entirely, claiming they are all either illegal aliens or voluntarily uninsured and uncared for.

Kirk did admit that Congress should enact some reform. He expressed an eagerness to help those with pre-existing conditions, but did not go so far as to suggest they be eliminated. He laid out his main goals as protection of employer-provided coverage and health savings accounts, protecting Medicare for seniors and fighting any surtax enacted to help pay for reform.

At one point a man from Wheeling, IL, a town in Kirk's district, took the mic. He was one of the few pro-reform attendees who got to ask a question and he was passionate about the need for the public option. The man told Congressman Kirk that he had been a small business owner, but he lost his business in the economic downturn. As he was an independent business owner, he was not eligible for COBRA benefits and he was in no pool. He told Kirk that he was not looking for a handout, just a chance to purchase insurance from a pool like the public option at the same rate corporate employees pay. The man became so emotional it seemed that he was almost begging the Congressman to reconsider the public option. Without addressing the issue, Kirk turned back to his podium and continued with his presentation.

Ellen Beth Gill reported from Arlington Heights, Illinois as part of HuffPost's Eyes & Ears Town Hall Watch. Representative Mark Kirk's (R-IL) August 24 health care town hall in Arlington Heights,...
Ellen Beth Gill reported from Arlington Heights, Illinois as part of HuffPost's Eyes & Ears Town Hall Watch. Representative Mark Kirk's (R-IL) August 24 health care town hall in Arlington Heights,...
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- MsJoanne I'm a Fan of MsJoanne 15 fans permalink
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Look at Kirk's voting record. He's Bush lite. This guy has Gary Sinese go with him to the VA hospital to make nice while voting to kneecap vets, he sends out "newsletters" to his constituents (me) full of lies. I've sent him letters calling him on his lies, which of course fall on (lying) deaf ears.

This guy is a sorry excuse for a rep. IOW, typical Gooper lying hack (how Bush like is this article...­surround yourself in a bubble anyone?!)

Watch out grandma...­they're coming to get you!

I do not get how the wildest of lies are bought lock, stock and barrel by so many. Such a sorry state for critical thinking these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 08/30/2009
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I keep hearing that illegals don't drive the cost of health care up. California alone 1.4 billion a year.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 08/30/2009

Kirk supposedly represents me and the many other residents in his district who voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Dan Seals came closer to defeating him than in the previous election. We need to get someone who looks out for the residents of this district - and not for the Republican party and corporate America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 08/30/2009
- bluemike I'm a Fan of bluemike 5 fans permalink

Is he related to Captain KIrk of the Starship Enterprise? If so, he deserves a more meaningful career doing Grade-Z hideous TV ads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 08/30/2009
- den1953 I'm a Fan of den1953 52 fans permalink
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What a surprise Kirk has only done what Bush did in 8 years don't let anyone that wasn't friendly to your administration ask questions nothing new!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 08/30/2009

Rock on Ellen!!! Kirk and Shimkus (IL-19) continue to lie about everything every waking moment! Only 7 million people (maybe) for a region of the US -- NOT for the ENTIRE US. Here are the STATS:

http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?cb=56&sctn=150&ch=981

Remember -- the Repugs were FOR health care reform when they were the Majority. Now they are against everything (including anything they are FOR) in the Minority. What spoiled brats!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 08/30/2009
- outlandish I'm a Fan of outlandish 38 fans permalink
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Kirks five year mission is to go bact to his universe where sanity and honestyare seen as vices.
Beem him up Scotty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 08/30/2009
- rtb61 I'm a Fan of rtb61 8 fans permalink

I though that the most shameful number was not the 40 millions odd who where uninsured but the 1 in 4 who were insured but could not afford the insurance they had as a result of co-payments etc. you know the $10,000 odd dollars out of pocket expenses prior to actual full insurance coverage. A lot of Americans would actually go broke before the insurance company actually had to pay out any real money, the biggest most shameful lie of US health insurance and that adds another 60 million who in reality have no actual health coverage, they might have insurance but that insurance provides no real health cover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/30/2009
- MsJoanne I'm a Fan of MsJoanne 15 fans permalink
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There is no actual full coverage. Yhere are always copays. What is the copay for a heart attack? Enough to give you another heart attack. What about heart surgery? Let's guess...$2­5,000 copay (If you're lucky!)

If 47mil are uninsured, I bet there are 100mul or more who can't afford to get sick, meaning they are underinsured. Sad statement for a country like ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 08/30/2009
- outlandish I'm a Fan of outlandish 38 fans permalink
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Rep Kirk stocks lake with wide mouth bass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 08/30/2009
- mamala4 I'm a Fan of mamala4 55 fans permalink
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Chicago Tribune article: "McCain to boost Republican U.S. Senate candidate Mark Kirk"
And this endorsement will help HOW? Seems to be that McCain lost any credibility when he picked Palin...th­is should dig the hole deeper for this wanna be but not good enough to be...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/30/2009
- outlandish I'm a Fan of outlandish 38 fans permalink
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Maybe Palin has had a sex change and calls herself kirk now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 08/30/2009
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It is Captialism for the poor and Socialism for the rich.... i am sure it has always been that way but these days it is SOOOOO IN YOUR FACE!!! For years we have been hearing republicans talking about "Let the free market reign" and " deregulate and let competition keep prices down" Its funny how that rule doesnt apply to insurers and banks. So i have been meaning to ask.... and i hope someone will please enlighten me but I wonder if UPS and Fed ex consider The united states postal service socialized mail? :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 AM on 08/30/2009
- rudolph I'm a Fan of rudolph 10 fans permalink

**Only** 7 million...­even if true that would still be disgraceful. He should be ashamed of the *only*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 08/30/2009
- outlandish I'm a Fan of outlandish 38 fans permalink
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He functions from the teachings of the bible and the line he holds sacred is: I am not my brothers keeper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 08/30/2009
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As one of smirk's constituents,
and in light of Ted Kennedy's familiar retort:

kirk sees wrong and promotes himself through it.
kirk sees suffering and seeks to profit from it.
kirk sees war and encourages and expands it.

This mean little poseur, now running for senate
is a disaster for our state and our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 08/30/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 182 fans permalink

Let's see. Dems are holding "call-in" meetings only, to avoid the embarrassment. But you object to someone who holds 2 townhalls, and they go well?

LOL*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 08/30/2009
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Missed the point again, Ann?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 08/30/2009

Wow, Ann, when does school start?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 08/30/2009
- outlandish I'm a Fan of outlandish 38 fans permalink
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LOL with the voices in your head, They are your friends, they tell you what to think they are always their and they LOL with you or maybe at you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 08/30/2009
- mamala4 I'm a Fan of mamala4 55 fans permalink
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They go well? That's like saying the Cubs could win every game they play if the only opponents they had were their fans.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 08/30/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 182 fans permalink

And don't think that moderates aren't watching the accolades to Ted K. about how he was for the "common man" and laughing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 08/30/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 173 fans permalink
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Posting AFTER a Saturday night party isn't a good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 08/30/2009
- mamala4 I'm a Fan of mamala4 55 fans permalink
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Laughing? There was no man or woman who championed for the "common man" as much as Teddy did...YOU clearly have never been in a position to need someone to champion for you....but you are a "have" and obviously not interested in those who don't have...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 08/30/2009
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