Some Anti-Reform Doctors Using Scare Tactics On Patients

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First Posted: 09- 1-09 03:30 PM   |   Updated: 09- 2-09 01:01 AM

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Kelley McCahill took her 70-year-old mother to see a plastic surgeon about having a cancerous growth removed from her nose last Thursday.

"If not the first sentence, the second sentence out of his mouth was, 'We can still get this done because Obamacare's not in place,'" McCahill told the Huffington Post. She said that the doctor, in a casual and jovial manner, repeatedly bashed President Obama's health care reform agenda during the 15-minute consultation.

"I'm sitting between my mom and the doctor. I look down. I was literally just wanting to melt," said McCahill, 40, who works as a drug counselor in Chattanooga, Tenn. and describes herself as liberal. She bit her tongue. "This is my mom's doctor and I don't want to offend him because her care is in his hands."

Across the country, some doctors are using scare tactics to advocate against health care reform, according to anecdotal reports from Huffington Post readers who were asked to share their experiences. Sometimes it happens right in the middle of examinations, and some doctors whack their patients with the most outrageous claims of reform opponents.

Doctors who support reform -- and there are plenty -- appear to be no less likely to bring it up. There is no sign of an organized campaign either way. For some doctors, it's just idle chit-chat. But ethicists warn that doctors should not abuse their position to propagate a political viewpoint, much less to frighten trusting patients with talk of "death panels" and withholding treatment from grandma.

Doctors speak to their patients from a position of authority, and people generally want to maintain a positive relationship with the person in charge of their treatment and medication, explained Arthur Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania. Caplan said there's nothing wrong with doctors providing information on proposed reforms or expressing political opinions, but they should be careful what they say to patients under their care because of the imbalance in the relationship.

"The trick is: Do not coerce, intimidate, or be seen as pressuring your patients. It is risky to be proselytizing patients in the office, because while you may not intend to coerce them, they may hear it that way," said Caplan. "If you feel like you can't speak back, respond and argue, you're being coerced. If somebody says, 'I felt like I had no choice but to sit there and listen,' they're being coerced."

Joe Dorsey felt like he had to sit there and listen when he went to see a new doctor three weeks ago for prostate cancer treatment in Texas.

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"I was stunned because we weren't there very long and he starts talking [political] issues," said Dorsey. "I'm not sure how we got on to that topic. God knows I didn't bring it up. My mind was on, 'I've got cancer.' That's what I was there for."

Dorsey, a 68-year-old retiree who lives near Houston, kept his mouth shut as his doctor rattled on: "'If you were in Sweden today they'd say you're too old. They'd tell you to go home and die.' I didn't say anything because they wouldn't have treated me."

Teresa Burlew, a 51-year-old in Woodbridge, N.J., said that during a physical two weeks ago, her physician recommended that she get as many tests done as possible before health care reform passes. "'You better get this test, you better get that test, because you don't know what's gonna happen,'" Burlew recalls being told. "She said, 'Oh, I really feel sorry for my Medicare patients because they're going to lose their Medicare.'"

Burlew said she told her doctor she didn't think things would turn out that way, but kept her disagreement mild. She was about to get a TB shot. "I couldn't get testy because she had a needle in her hand and she was gonna use it!"

Eric Stein went to see his doctor in Los Angeles, Calif., for a routine ear-cleaning procedure last fall. He was alarmed to discover that his doctor was out of town, leaving him in the hands of the doctor's assistant, who, instead of using the usual vacuum device, was brandishing some kind of poker with "a protruding piece of metal like a wire" on one end.

"She had the instrument in my ear and she couldn't do it correctly. She was really scraping," said Stein, 34, an actor and musician. Stein said he was nervous, so he tried to calm his nerves by chitchatting. He mentioned that he didn't have insurance, and he made a negative remark about insurance companies.

The assistant reacted strongly. "She said, 'Oh, well, you're lucky you don't live in Canada or Britain," and she mentioned the allegedly long wait times for treatment in those countries. Stein was taken aback but decided to keep his mouth shut.

"I didn't want to have an argument with that needle next to my brain," he said.

Jim Heltsley, a 67-year-old retiree in Florida, said his chiropractor dumped him after he questioned an anti-reform flier in the waiting room.

"I went from being a good patient to a guy that was told to 'Go to hell'. This all happened in 30 seconds," said Heltsley. "It was a guy I went to for five years, sometimes up to two or three times a week."

The St. Petersburg Times first reported the breakup. Heltsley confronted the doctor over a flier that said, among other things, that the bill approved by various House panels would ration care.

"I just ducked into his office and I set it down on his desk. I said, 'Dr. Mike, who put this out?' And he says, 'It's all true.' I said, 'No, those are myths, they've been debunked," said Heltsley. "The next thing I knew he was standing up and he said, 'You can go to hell,' and on the way down the hall he goes, 'I'm dropping you as a patient.'"

Some doctors' offices send out letters to all their patients asking them to wade into the debate and call their representatives in Washington. In July, the Southwest Internal Medicine Specialists in Orlando, Fla. sent a letter that said some of the proposed reforms "will harm American taxpayers and directly interfere with your healthcare."

The letter hits the usual points: government bureaucrats will interfere with your health care, people in countries with socialized medicine have to wait forever to see specialists, screening procedures will be denied. It then invites patients to become members of the American Medical Association's Patients' Action Network and do some lobbying.

A patient who forwarded the letter to The Huffington Post didn't think too highly of it: "I find this kind of behavior unconscionable, especially in a practice which serves a high proportion of elderly patients," the patient said.

M. J. Galceran, one of the three M.D.s in the practice who signed the letter, told the Huffington Post that the response to the 6,000-person mailing was overwhelmingly positive.

"We've had really maybe half a dozen people say they're disappointed in our stance, [but] I've had a couple dozen thank me for writing the letter," said Galceran. He added that he and his colleagues never initiate a political discussion in the exam room. "I think it's just courtesy. I don't think it's appropriate. But if the patient wants to talk about it, it's a different story."

Galceran said they wrote their letter before the AMA came out in support of reform that's taken shape in the House of Representatives, and that his practice subsequently dropped out of the organization.

Some doctors make no apology for bringing up politics in the exam room. Dr. Ari Silver-Isenstadt, a pediatrician in Baltimore, Md. and an active member of the pro-reform National Physicians Alliance, told the Huffington Post that he's hung fact sheets in his exam room and waiting room that say "Dr. Ari Supports Health Insurance Reform." He often talks with parents about it.

"I think it's relevant to my patients' health care, to their well-being," he said. "People carrying around misinformation about health care reform is the same as carrying around misinformation about their health care."

Bill Dougherty of Wilmington, Del. noticed a political sign in his physician's exam room. He snapped a picture with his phone while he waited for the doctor:

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Another sign in the waiting room asked how the U.S. can spend billions a day on foreign wars but can't afford to provide its citizens with health care.

"It makes sense, obviously doctors have more of an opinion about this than anyone, but it kinda throws you to see it, because it's not kind of a place for politics," said Dougherty in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I was happy to see it because I agree with the sentiment, but I can imagine someone with the opposing viewpoint being thrown by it."


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I don't understand conservative logic here. How is it that in countries that have universal health care, AND longer life expectancies and health standards, they tell old people to "go home and die"? It doesn't seem true to me if you look at other countries' life expectancies.

Also, with the United States having the worst infant mortality rate of industrialized countries, how can any Republican say that universal health care would "kill our babies".

How will this health care plan bankrupt us if we won't take care of the elderly (which would save us money no doubt)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 09/24/2009
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Good grief, I'd get up, walk out, and get a new doctor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 09/02/2009

I am a physician and I find it scandalous that any health care worker, especially doctors are exploiting their position and more or less dependency of their patients to promote a political agenda favorable to corporate interests. It truly is the height of unethical behavior.

The occasional breach of ethics could be seen as simply an individual indiscretion but I promise you this is a highly organized propaganda operation that is pervasive nationwide.

It makes no difference that the majority of physicians favor single payer or at the least a public option. We are being outscreamed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 09/02/2009
- piadog I'm a Fan of piadog 2 fans permalink

A civilized society puts "People" before "Profits" and "Health" before "Ideology".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 09/02/2009
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Doctors spreading conservative lies about the reform and telling their patients to go to hell is disturbing. Conservative doctors telling their patients lies they believe casually is wrong. Liberal doctors making emotional pleas about covering all americans and talking about the war is wrong. Liberal doctors, like Dr. Ari, dispelling the conservative lies about healthcare reform and giving the facts is needed. If you can't get accurate, unbiased information about what is being proposed from your doctor, who are you going to get it from. As long as these doctors simply state what is in the bill and not argue with patients over it, there isn't a problem. It's important because people need to know how the reform actually will affect their healthcare experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 09/02/2009
- Philclock I'm a Fan of Philclock 36 fans permalink
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If I'm a doctor, damn right I'm worked up!

What do you expect with a 500 pound gorilla rambling incoherently about my livelihood? Democrats and Obama are apooplectic about health care! They have the power to pass anything they want, say that they'll ram it past Repubicans, present the monstrously vague HR3200 house bill as first take that nobody understands including Obama, let alone reads, then Obama jumps up and down saying, "Emergency! Emergency! pass it quick or terrible things will happen to us!"

I'm surprised doctors are calm at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 AM on 09/02/2009
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 9 fans permalink

So why aren't you involved constructively? Do you believe lying to patients is an appropriate way to act as a doctor or as a citizen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 09/02/2009
- Philclock I'm a Fan of Philclock 36 fans permalink
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MAJOR DISCONNECT!

I expect patients to be in control of their own health care, not a doctor, and to get second and third opinions for any involved health issues. "Reform" Obamastyle, as I see it so far, wants doctors and government or insurance company panels to control patient health care.

Which do you want?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 09/13/2009
- Beca I'm a Fan of Beca 43 fans permalink

The livelihood of doctors is not on the line, none of the bills out on the table even remotely suggest that doctors or any medical professional take a financial hit as a result of health care reform. If anything, the private health insurance industry is the one who is having an appoplexy, fearing that their gynormous, uncontrolled, unregulated and ever increasing profit margin might dissapear. The insurance industry has been the one who has benefitted from our broken system, patients and doctors have been the victims. Doctors are forced to follow the insurance industry's guidelines to care based on what costs them less, rather than their own medical training and expertise. Doctors are restricted by the insurance companies from offering the better treatments for older and cheaper treatments. Doctors have to cram in hundreds of patients in one day in order to make ends meet, pay their huge billing departments and cover all the time they have to spend fighting with insurance companies for payment of all their services.
Patients are the last thing the insurance company worries about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/02/2009
- piadog I'm a Fan of piadog 2 fans permalink

I'm sorry, Doctor, but the only people who are "apooplectic" (sic) and "rambling incoherently" are those who are opposed to healthcare reform.

Obama hasn't been jumping up and down shouting "Emergency! Emergency! ..."
But maybe he should be. If anything, he has been too calm, and too rational.

If anything, you are the one who is rambling and apoplectic.

I have had a couple of experiences with doctors bashing healthcare reform.
They are no longer my doctors.
Doctors shouldn't go into medicine just to make a ton of money.
They should go into medicine because the want to help people.
Profits are perfectly fine, but they shouldn't come at the expense of people health.
Any doctor worthy of the title puts patients before profits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 09/02/2009
- Philclock I'm a Fan of Philclock 36 fans permalink
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You're missing the point, see my comment above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 09/13/2009
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Wow, the lies, misinformation and intimidation. I realize trustworthy doctors are difficult to find, but it would make me want to ask, "If you're so mistaken about health care reform, can I really trust you with my health?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 09/02/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

My reaction too. A doctor should be informed about health care reform. If he believes things that aren't true, how credible are his medical opinions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 09/02/2009

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 09/02/2009
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Will not give women an abortion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 09/02/2009

he Hippocratic Oath: Classical Version


I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art—if they desire to learn it—without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 09/02/2009

"I will keep them from harm and injustice."

I'll remember that the next time I see a case manager and a doc kicking a client out because their out of medicare days, or they have no DRG's, knew I wasn't suppose to be alone in this advocacy deal!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 09/02/2009

HR 3200 Healthcare Bill worked on by Congress over 6 months. Congress knew and knows the importance of end of year budget. Status quo, not option. Congress had agreed to complete bill before recess and now September 15th.

5 insurance plan options and 1 basic plan (public) option. Basic v Advantage Medicare. You have all choices. Advantage is among exchange insurance, but probably not called Advantage. I can review plans, make choice and sign up on computer.

Designed and made in US. Kaiser Foundation did research, as did others. Plan utilizes benefits of Geisinger, university models, etc. No lifetime maximum, nor can one be terminated.
Not substandard services. Wellness outcome focused pays doctors and hospitals MORE.

Drs.,nurses and allied shortage considered so I WON'T have to wait 6 months for services. Mental health parity included. Kennedy had a living will. He chose to die at home with family. Eend of life
couseling, only if I choose and me and dr. No Government.

Prescription choices, reasonable co-pays, no doughnut hole. Better nursing/medical home services.
Hospitals willl be working hard to cut infections, additional incentives. Abortion EXACTLY same.
No federal funds pay.

Rumors have said 500B in Medicare cuts to to pay for plans, NOT TRUE. Medicare and Health and Human Services has said if Wellness Outcome Plan not there by 9/30, 20% reduction of fee payments Congress knows end-of-year budget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 09/02/2009
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Until the Health Insurance Industry is not take out of the equation of our health care system, any attempt at a health care reform will fail. HR 3200 is flawed because it uses the existing health insurance industry--who has done a disastrous job with our health care delivery--as the basis for the plan. The existing health insurance industry is a market-based industry that sees health care delivery as a factory of widgets, rather than a social service for human beings, as such counts widgets produced rather than health outcomes. The Health Insurance Industry will never allow it to be regulated, and what they will do is further cut care rather than cut into their huge profit margin. HR676 is the only bill on the House that will take the health insurance industry out of the equation and ensure that every American has free effective health care, while significantly cutting the cost of our health care system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 09/02/2009

As a younger physician (34), I'm horrified by this behavior, and most of my colleagues would be as well. I've noticed there is a real difference in the attitudes towards reform based on age, years in practice and specialty. I'm not surprised most of these anecdotes come from those in medical sub-specialties and the pro-reform folks were in primary care. I do think that there is a strong sense of entitlement in many physicians; the "I worked hard to get here, I should be paid more" that leads to wanting the status quo especially for those in specialties where they had to train for 6+ years after medical school while getting paid far below their worth. I don't think anyone is afraid of running out of patients, as we're not changing American culture anytime soon, which means being overworked, overstressed, neglecting our health and needing care. However, there is a sense of ego involved for many and different personality types often self-select to different specialties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 09/02/2009
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That picture is hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 09/02/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 186 fans permalink

First of all, there are some good doctors. I was an Advanced Nurse Practitioner and Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist for almost 25 years, so I know.

My husband's mother is 75. She mentioned that her doctor had sent her to a cardiologist, who, despite not having any history of chest pain, swelling of the feet, shortness of breath, etc and a normal EKG, wanted to take her for a cardiac cath. She insisted she did not want one so he did lab work, another EKG, and an injectable stress test with radioactive dye. Those tests are virtually as accurate as a cath and they are not nearly as dangerous. He did not give her any results from the stress test, but his nurse called back TO SCHEDULE THE CARDIAC CATH. As a nurse anesthetist who did almost 900 Open Heart anesthetics and innumerable cardiac caths and other heart things, THAT INFURIATED ME. Okay, he gave her NO RESULTS FOR THE STRESS TEST AND STILL INSISTED ON THE CARDIAC CATH. I have known patients to DIE FROM CARDIAC CATHS when all they learned was that it was negative and they had no heart disease. I asked her to contact his office and give them permission to speak when I call and ask him questions. This guy is UNETHICAL AND IS ONLY AFTER THE MONEY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 09/02/2009
- alabaman I'm a Fan of alabaman 5 fans permalink

You are exactly right. I too work in health care. As you know, the C.O.U.R.A.G.E. study has shown, that contrary to popular opinion, not everyone with coronary blockages needs stents. If the patient is stable and asymptomatic, they can be managed on drugs, which is cheaper and less risky for the patient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 09/02/2009
- alabaman I'm a Fan of alabaman 5 fans permalink

Listen, everyone, health care reform is a done deal. How do I know this? I just saw Jack Bauer of "24"(Kiefer Sutherland) do an ad for health care reform. It turns out that his grandfather, Tommy Douglas, created Canada's national health care system. In 2004, Canadians voted him the "Greatest Canadian of all time." Now, if the Repubs favorite actor supports health care reform, it is a done deal!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 09/02/2009
- Foreground I'm a Fan of Foreground 11 fans permalink

Reagan supports health care reform?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 09/02/2009
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Naw, they just like it when he tortures people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 09/02/2009

"whatever house where I come, I will enter only for the benefit of the sick, keeping myself far from all intentional mischief and corruption,"

whatever happened to this oath, which ever physician takes? His or he focus should only be for the benefit of the sick, not to use his position to influence or to degrade onces belief or values.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 09/01/2009

Please quote the whole original oath please, not just selective sections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 09/02/2009
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