WorldNetDaily Faces An Organized Challenge From The Right [UPDATED]

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First Posted: 09- 1-09 12:42 PM   |   Updated: 10-17-09 05:12 AM

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If you've ever suffered yourself to visit conservative website WorldNetDaily, you've probably despaired at the collection of nonsense and mental derangement and thought that surely the world would be a better place if the place was more regularly and rigorously challenged, especially given its propensity to propel toxic memes, such as "birtherism," into the larger discourse. Well, there's a movement afoot to "organize against" this cuckoo-bananas clearinghouse -- and, laudably, it's a movement from the right.

Over at The Next Right, Jon Henke pulls this paragraph from a recent story in the Boston Herald and calls it "hideously embarrassing":

In a second warning, the Web site Worldnetdaily.com says that the government is considering Nazi-like concentration camps for dissidents.


Jerome Corsi, the author of "The Obama Nation," an anti-Obama book, says that a proposal in Congress "appears designed to create the type of detention center that those concerned about use of the military in domestic affairs fear could be used as concentration camps for political dissidents, such as occurred in Nazi Germany."

Naturally, this is all unhinged idiocy. And Henke gets right to the point:

In the 1960's, William F. Buckley denounced the John Birch Society leadership for being "so far removed from common sense" and later said "We cannot allow the emblem of irresponsibility to attach to the conservative banner."


The Birthers are the Birchers of our time, and WorldNetDaily is their pamphlet. The Right has mostly ignored these embarrassing people and organizations, but some people and organizations inexplicably choose to support WND through advertising and email list rental or other collaboration. For instance, I have been told that F.I.R.E (The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) - an otherwise respectable group that does important work - uses the WND email list. They should stop.

This makes a great deal of sense. And it calls to mind a problem that Matt Yglesias brought up earlier this year:

I was observing the other day that the big problem conservatives are facing in the new media climate is that despite a plethora of outlets they don't have the skills to generate original information and research products in nearly the same volume that generally progressive outlets manage. And to clarify, the issue here is a human capital deficit rather than a financial one. There are a great many people employed in conservative media, and thus conservative media could easily support the salaries of a number of crackerjack reporters. But the reporters just don't seem to be out there.

Henke, along with Patrick Ruffini and Soren Dayton, who also ply their trade at The Next Right, are working right at the center of the technology/reportage deficit that Yglesias hit on. And they've correctly identified WorldNetDaily as an institution that works at cross-purposes to their efforts, driving simple-minded, conspiracy-based foolishness upstream into the mainstream newshole and the mouths of naive conservative politicians such as the oft-mocked Michele Bachmann (Minn.).

There's a similar abundance of bizarreness on the left, if you know where to look for it, but over time, a more sensible media apparatus has taken precedence. Outfits like Talking Points Memo, Greg Sargent's The Plum Line and Yglesias' own ThinkProgress put an emphasis on reporting and research and tend to eschew the sort of claptrap that WorldNetDaily pumps through the conservative online bloodstream. Henke and his colleagues seem to recognize the need for a similar apparatus on the right, and such efforts should be cheered on by all, because success would be a net gain for the substance of our ideological debates and political discourse.

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Think about this. On The Ed Show, Ed Schultz has a daily feature called "Psycho Talk," where he ridicules the sort of feeble-minded bilge that emanates from places like WorldNetDaily. He scores points regularly, but -- take it from one who knows! -- these points are very cheaply won. Imagine if those opportunities were not there?

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UPDATE: As many have pointed out, one of the first entities that should disassociate itself from World Net Daily is the RNC. Media Matters has a screenshot, here.

Henke's updated his original post with this information, specific to the RNC:

I have also inquired with the RNC, which appears to have recently paid for access to the WorldNetDaily email list. I have not gotten a substantive response from the RNC yet.


In the meantime, I would encourage you to (a) email me with any substantive information you have on what other right-of-center groups advertise on, or rent email lists from, WorldNetDaily, and (b) email or call to let these groups know that Republican, conservative or libertarian groups should not support Birther/Concentration Camp conspiracy theories.

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If you've ever suffered yourself to visit conservative website WorldNetDaily, you've probably despaired at the collection of nonsense and mental derangement and thought that surely the world would be ...
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So a few bloggers speak out against WND and all of the sudden its conservatives who are against WND.

How does this happen btw?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 09/02/2009
- Swatantra I'm a Fan of Swatantra 21 fans permalink

Joseph Farah, founder of WorldNetDaily is of Syrian and Lebanese ancestry,
which makes him an Arab, as in ter rorist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/02/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 33 fans permalink
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Funny thing is WND was one of the first news outlets to Debunk the Birth Certificate conspiracy.

Now you can't even find that story in their archives anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 09/02/2009

Yet they were also the very first supporters as well. WND is a Christian supermarket tabloid and is nuttier then the Weekly World News ever was. Not as well written either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 09/02/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 33 fans permalink
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At least WWN was funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 09/02/2009
- SPQR1775 I'm a Fan of SPQR1775 52 fans permalink

Yes, I disagree with the "CACOON" representation of the GOP, the only thing they have in common is grey hair. In the movie CACOON, these old folks know CHANGE was coming and they accepted it and work towards been "PREPARED". The GOP on the other hand fight change and are in a "WHO MOVE MY CHEESE" moment, they are educated fools, who have their children at home, living the good life, but at the same time denying their constituency the same ability for a good life. Their constituency are uneducated beer drinking, gun toothing, bible thumping bafoons, who don't seem to understand that they are been used. These GOP confederacy movement must be from the star cluster of severe low level consciousness, because they are quick to follow the next "WHITE HOPE" whom I guess must be Sarah Palin. It was obvious that Jindal would maybe have done well for McCain, but he was black skined so McCain choose Palin, McCain himself is a self serving BIGOT! If you look back at the 2008 election and what's happening now, you realized that the GOP won't be around in 2010, at least not in the US CONGRESS, I am very sure that there will be such a huge voter turn out that this time the GOP will be sweep from DC. and YES HC FOR AMERICA SEPTEMBER 09!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 09/02/2009
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You reap what you sow, GOP.

You wooed and catered to the wackos for at least 15 years. Your crazies came home to roost. BIG TIME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 09/02/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 33 fans permalink
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Try for the last 30 years and not 15.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/02/2009

I think this may be other than it seems. Having seriously dimished Obama through a skillful attack centered around health care but including other issues as well (in which Obama unfortunately helped by managing poorly) the smarter Republicans now like the status quo. Obama is not reallly dangerous to them anymore, so they don't want the looniest right wingers to overplay it and potentially upset their (for them) happy new reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 09/02/2009
- postman66 I'm a Fan of postman66 322 fans permalink
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That would be a pathetic and short sighted tactic indeed. The Republicans have no ideas whatsoever in terms of dealing with Obama. Some form of HC will pass, the economy will rebound before 2012 and the worst part, Republicans have nobody in their party that can match up with Obama. So quoting approval numbers for the President in a non election year is irrelevant (Reagan Gallup approval Jan. 1983. 35%, he won 49 states in 1984). This time next year no one will be talking about a bill that has passed and if Republicans don't get some ballplayers and a strategy they will get back to looking for Obama's birth certificate. Whole fre-aking lineup looks like the cast of the movie "Cocoon".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 09/02/2009
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If that's the case, then they are the ones overplaying their hand. Obama's approval ratings today are absolutely no indication as to whether or not he'll get reelected in 2012 or even how the GOP will do in the 2010 midterms. Reagan, Clinton, Bush 43 are took serious hits in their approval ratings during the first six months of their administration and all three won reelection.

The fact is, every president sees his approval ratings go down initially as the honeymoon ends and the first big partisan battles begin. To say that Obama is "diminished" and "no longer dangerous" to republicans simply because of the health care reform fight is really short-sighted. Clinton failed utterly to get reform passed and he still won reelection despite GOP gains in Congress. Bush failed at, well, everything and still got reelected.

The GOP needs to focus less on destroying Obama and more on finding a candidate who can bring independents back to their side.

Hint: It's not going to be Palin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 09/02/2009
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What? That's all the the Republican Party is anymore is whackos! If they tell all the crazies to go home, lunch is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 09/02/2009
- bbbear I'm a Fan of bbbear 23 fans permalink
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ROTFL! Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 09/02/2009
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In the immortal words of one: "it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 09/02/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 33 fans permalink
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Ya gotta love Barney Frank!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 09/02/2009
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liberty is not license, and if you would use your liberty to deny others their own freedom it does not make you a patriot it makes you the tyrant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 09/02/2009
- Beca I'm a Fan of Beca 44 fans permalink

Very well said! Thank you! It is true and these hatemongers don't realize the damage they are doing to the most vulnerable of Americans, those with intelligence deficit problems resulting under-education, and ignorant and closed-minded up bringings. Issues as important as Health Care should be dealt with seriously and honestly, regardless of what political party one belongs to. It is people's health and well being that is on the line right now, and these hate goons only care about imparting more hate through misinformation and fear tactics, shame on them!
There ought to be a law, that every citizen of the country receive a no frills non-partisan fact sheet outlining all the facts (the good, bad and otherwise) of every important issue that is on the table, such as health care reform. Then and only then we can call ourselves a true democracy, when all Americans are free to make informed decisions regarding upcomming legislative matters that directly affect their lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 09/02/2009
- bbbear I'm a Fan of bbbear 23 fans permalink
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Bingo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 09/02/2009
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World Nut Daily, these people make Bat Boy and the supermarket tabloids look like serious journalism. Every time some wing nut uses World Nut Daily as their source I laugh. I laugh at them. Out loud. I point my finger at them, laugh hysterically, and ask them exactly HOW STUPID they actually are, and if they have any copies of Weekly World Review around we can use to check for UFO and Vampire attacks. You want to knock these clowns down? Laugh, hysterically, when anyone points to them as a source, and ridicule them until they realize they are reading absolute rubbish. If they have ANY sense, they will become embarrassed and realize that maybe stuff that is extreme is well, uh, extreme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 09/02/2009
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All true. Yet since wingnuts have proven themselves to be shameless liars, most would only smile and continue piling up the BS, all based upon such "journals" as W.N.D as well as Fox so-called News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 09/02/2009

I don't know, I kind of like to get the facts from both sides and then see where it all stands.

one must learn how to distinguish facts from opinion to get to the real truth though.

If you don't do that my friend then it's possible the last laugh could be at your expense.

Just a thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 09/02/2009
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Ya got ta dance with them that brung ya.

Enjoy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 09/02/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1043 fans permalink
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They aren't buy cra.zy over there, they own the company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 09/02/2009

Oh do I ever miss Ms. Molly Ivins, also!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 09/02/2009

Rachel is doing a great job, but I miss Molly, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 09/02/2009
- plsps I'm a Fan of plsps 7 fans permalink

Let the Repubs keep on singing they are sounding stranger and stranger all the time. They can't even hear themselves that they make no sense what so ever. It is like a lunatic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 09/02/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1043 fans permalink
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They are no self-aware.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 09/02/2009
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This is so weird and bizarre.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 09/02/2009
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The problem is that many of these lunatics have guns and they've been bringing them - loaded - to Presidential appearances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 AM on 09/02/2009
- KYlawyer I'm a Fan of KYlawyer 55 fans permalink
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Folks give it up trying to argue with these birther tr.o/./s. Trying to argue reason with a birther is like trying to teach a pi.g to sing, it only wastes your time and annoys the p.ig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 09/02/2009

Especially if you can't sing yourself.

Give it up KY ....you can't 'argue reason' because you can't 'argue reason'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 09/02/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1043 fans permalink
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I lernt ah stik n d muhd ta stan up. Can u do dat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 09/02/2009
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Specter I see you stuck a hook in a Birther's mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 09/02/2009

What has he been sticking in your mouth postman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 09/02/2009
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Did I call you by name fish?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 09/02/2009
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There's a sucker born every minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 09/02/2009

Like postman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 09/02/2009
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These are the same Christian Right freaks who claim Harry Potter books foster anti-Christian bigotry even sell a DVD to show parents how to spot that slippery slope in the Potter books yet not a word about the Twilight series and youth groups from churches busing kids to the midnight openings where many under 13 kids are being shown the PG-13 movie.
Where is their righteous indignation over this? Hypocrites.

FYI: I personally am a tremendous HP fan books and movies...T­wilight not so much....I thought the book was unimaginative and haven't seen the movie. Just dismayed at the choices made to lie about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 09/02/2009
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