Investigators look for clues into cause of CA fire

JACOB ADELMAN   09/ 3/09 12:52 AM ET   AP

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LOS ANGELES — Investigators gathered along a remote road in a blackened forest Wednesday and hunted for clues at the spot where a gigantic blaze ignited more than a week ago and quickly grew into one of the largest wildfires in Southern California history.

A trio of U.S. Forest Service investigators wearing black gloves spent most of the day beneath a partially burned oak tree at the bottom of a ravine, believed to be the spot where the fire started. One investigator shook soil in a can, while another used binoculars to get a closer look. They also had planted red, blue and yellow flags to signify important locations at the site.

Deputy incident commander Carlton Joseph said Wednesday morning that the fire was "human-caused," meaning it could have been ignited by a range of scenarios, from a dropped cigarette to a spark from something like a lawn mower. Joseph noted that lightning has been ruled out as a possible cause. Forest Service officials later sought to backtrack on Joseph's comments, saying they are looking at all possible causes.

"If there's no powerlines that's something we can rule that out. We can rule out lightning if that's not a factor. We can rule out vehicles if that's not a factor. But we will not make a definitive determination until we rule that out," Forest Service commander Rita Wears said. "The only thing I can say it is possibly human activity."

The investigation unfolded as firefighters made more progress Wednesday against the wildfire that has ravaged the Angeles National Forest, with higher humidity and a lack of wind providing a big boost. The blaze that had burned nearly 219 square miles, or 140,150 acres, by Wednesday.

Firefighters have created a perimeter around 28 percent of the blaze, largely by removing brush with bulldozers and setting controlled burns. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger visited the fire area Wednesday and served breakfast to firefighters, scooping Cream of Wheat into paper bowls and giving them plenty of protein so "they get all pumped up for the next fight out there with those fires."

Since erupting Aug. 26, the blaze has destroyed more than five dozen homes, killed two firefighters and forced thousands of people from their homes.

The fire also cast a smoky haze over the Los Angeles area and gave the night sky an eerie glow. The smoke spread throughout the West, affecting air quality in Las Vegas and combining with soot from local fires to block mountain views in Denver.

Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said only 50 homes in his jurisdiction remained under mandatory evacuation Wednesday, down from 4,000 on Tuesday. He said that about 2,000 homes in the city jurisdiction were under mandatory evacuation orders.

Some people still remained at shelters, happy to be away from the fire and smoky conditions that made breathing difficult.

Melba Cordero, 42, said she and her four children arrived on Sunday after being evacuating from her Tujunga Canyon home.

"It was horrible. We had dry cough, and the kids were getting sick. The heat was intense, and the air was very poor," she said as her children, ages 12, 10, 6 and 3, played with teddy bear and coloring books given out by shelter staff.

Nevertheless, Cordero said she's been feeling anxious and stressed out about her house.

"When is it going to end? When can be go back?" she asked. "The kids have school next week. We should be getting them ready for school."

Officials also worried about the threat to a historic observatory and TV, radio and other antennas on Mount Wilson northeast of Los Angeles. But firefighters were effectively holding back the flames and keeping them from doing any major damage.

The fire also took a toll on firefighters who bunk down each night in tents at the huge fire command center. Glendale firefighter-paramedic Jack Hayes, 31, said he had not taken a day off for a week.

"You can't sleep," said Hayes, who had the beginnings of a beard and bloodshot eyes. "You're ready to go and there's always something you could be doing."

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Associated Press writers Robert Jablon, Greg Risling, Thomas Watkins and Daisy Nguyen in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

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08:34 AM on 09/04/2009
I'm really sad for Los Angeles.. Even if, unfortunately, I tried to persuade various leaders to meet us, when I came to Los Angeles, to explain them a project that would help to better fight fires But nobody had time to see me or to reply to my mails Our future "Water Bomber" allows an effective fight against the fires BY POURING 400 TONS OF WATER in a very short time, and by staying on site to avoid new departures of fire http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=582637&l=03135eae71&id=685847711 If someone have some contacts, don't hesitate to contact me at jacmacaire@humanbe.com
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charon
Censorship is the betrayal of democracy
01:26 AM on 09/03/2009
Last year hundreds of homes burned in northern California, the air was heavy with smoke as thick as tule fog in the Sacramento Valley, and we got almost no media coverage. It was a major disaster. Why does southern California rate so much more coverage than the northstate?

I guess we are just a backwater here. Southern California takes our water and enthralls us to them because they need our water, while their politicians treat us like a 3rd world country, underfunding our infrastructure and failing to complete the original plan for Lake Oroville. It's just used as a reservior for overbuilt southern California.

I feel bad for those in fires right now in southern California, but the south's lack of help for the north, hogging the state's money to overbuild freeways to keep developers building out into the old oak forests, make me feel less compassionate for the area as a whole.

We want to secede so we have a government responsive to our needs. Please, let us go, and start to deal with your water problems without ripping the north off.
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OldHick
12:20 AM on 09/03/2009
Lots of CO2 in that smoke. Only we can prevent forest fires, said Smokey the Bear. Yet, we still do nothing to create fire breaks, even to save houses.
07:51 PM on 09/02/2009
If you live in the path of hurricanes you will get flooded. If you live in tornado alley, you will get flattened. If you live on an earthquake fault, you will be shaken--mightily. And if you build your house in an arid wasteland, it will be threatened by fires.

Silly humans.
08:08 PM on 09/02/2009
Where do you live that you think it's so safe?

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08:15 PM on 09/02/2009
Is that a riposte?

Touche'.
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OldHick
12:21 AM on 09/03/2009
Remember - you are actually human - not an alien, even if your therapist has mislead you, and your parents do not understand you.
01:04 PM on 09/04/2009
Exactly so. None of us is absolved for our choices when they are made in the full knowledge that they there is risk involved. If you play with rattlesnakes, eventually you will get bitten--no matter what your therapist told you.
06:00 PM on 09/02/2009
cream of wheat has protein?
07:53 PM on 09/02/2009
wheat is a source of protein though not as complete as legumes (beans, lentils etc) and rice.
08:28 PM on 09/02/2009
Rice and beans......the staples of Latin America.........

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05:23 PM on 09/02/2009
What isn't?
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martykz
07:26 PM on 09/02/2009
What? Socialized firefighting?
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Rudderman
Warren for Senate.
04:48 PM on 09/02/2009
Climatologists warned sometime ago that one direct result of global warming would be an increase in the number and ferocity of wildfires. For years, forestry officials have observed decreasing amounts of moisture in many fire-prone areas. Further, the problem isn’t limited to the US. This summer in Europe, both in France and especially Greece, wildfires raged. Naturally, no one can prove this is a result of GW, but the evidence is mounting that CO2 is at least partially responsible for the rise in global temperatures.
04:26 PM on 09/02/2009
How about the gov'ts role in this fire.
Why was there 60 years of unburned tinter just waiting to go up?
Because the California Air Resource Board won't allowed controlled burns to move this stuff out.
They are worried about particulate matter? How do they like the particulate matter we are all breathing today?
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
03:26 PM on 09/02/2009
Warming naysayers will point to the cause of the fire as being man-made in their false pursuit to deny all things global warming. Of course, they ignore the hot and extremely dry conditions which leads to the dramatic spread of the fire.
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MidnightRaine
03:12 PM on 09/02/2009
I’m deeply saddened by all the damage and loss that has been the result of this forest fire from lives, homes, memories, landscape, and wildlife..I will say I’ve never found myself in a situation where I had to evacuate to safety from a fire..so I could be wrong here but this statement bothered me:

“Near the remains of house, the charred frames of animal cages swayed in a light wind. In one of the cages, the remains of three small dogs were found.”

When evacuating if taking these dogs with you wasn’t an option of some kind why not at least let them out of the cage, instead of letting them burn alive without the chance of escape? Maybe they wouldn't make it at all, but leaving them locked up in the yard knowing a fire is fast approaching seems cruel to me.
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03:39 PM on 09/02/2009
I'd like to burn the cretinous owners.
04:27 PM on 09/02/2009
Have you ever thought of the fact that maybe the people were at work, etc.

These fires move pretty darn fast and sometimes people just cannot make it back home. The fires out here can be 10 miles away AND in a matter of minutes, come down a mountainside and be in your yard before you realize it. Not only that hot embers fly some tiems for miles, setting off a fire in a direction ine never though it would go.

I really don't think they were left 'caged' on purpose. I really don't ................
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MamaBird62
04:53 PM on 09/02/2009
Agree, if an evacuation is ordered and you're away from home, you can't go back, the roads are blocked. However, if fire is in the area it would probably be wise not to leave pets home alone, or have a neighbor available to grab them if you can't.
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06:21 PM on 09/02/2009
I don't buy that. If I were the owners I'd have been following the fires and taken care of business with the pets BEFORE I headed to work. It's not like it happened in a flash. They had to know it was headed in that direction or that it could. I'd have also gotten all my valuables out of there, too.
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hardrain77
Ron Paul not Romney
02:51 PM on 09/02/2009
Well it's a good thing we have plenty of water in this state to put these out...oh, wait a minute.
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charon
Censorship is the betrayal of democracy
10:03 AM on 09/03/2009
LA is in a freakin' desert. The area stole water from the Owens Valley, takes it from the Colorado (and the Mexican villages that used to depend on it), the Feather River, the San Gabriel mountains, and a few other places. There is enough water in the LA basin to support maybe 200,000 people, if that.
02:39 PM on 09/02/2009
Let's see, no lightning, no flaming meteors crashed into the hills and they ruled out that coyote's Acme Jet Pack as possible causes. Of course, it was caused by humans...Double-duh!
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politicky
just follow the $$$
02:39 PM on 09/02/2009
"Natural systems adapted and survived for millions of years before humans ever entered the scene. Fire was used in aboriginal times to modify the environment in a way that best suited survival needs. The historic observation that some Native Americans used fire to modify the landscape does not mean it is something we should emulate today."

http://www.californiachaparral.com/enativeamericans.html
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hardrain77
Ron Paul not Romney
02:24 PM on 09/02/2009
Has Khalid Shiekh Mohammed confessed to starting these yet?
02:41 PM on 09/02/2009
Maybe it was Ahhnold.