US General: Afghan Civilians Wounded By Airstrike

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JASON STRAZIUSO | 09/ 5/09 11:18 PM | AP

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U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, center, commander of U.S. and Nato forces in Afghanistan, German colonel Georg Klein, left, commander of the German base in Kunduz, and U.S. Rear Admiral Gregory J. Smith, right, NATO's director of communications in Kabul, are surrounded by Afghan and German soldiers as they visit the site where villagers reportedly died when American jets bombed fuel tankers hijacked by the Taliban, outside Kunduz, Afghanistan, Saturday, Sept. 5, 2009. The top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan visited the site as the alliance began an investigation into the airstrike that killed up to 70 people. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

KUNDUZ, Afghanistan — The top NATO commander confirmed Saturday that civilians were wounded by a devastating airstrike targeting insurgents in northern Afghanistan, a major test of his policy to curb airpower to reduce civilian casualties and win over Afghans to the war against the Taliban.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal waded through a knee-deep river to inspect the charred remains of two fuel tankers destroyed in the Friday attack, which Afghan officials say killed about 70 people. It was unclear how many were Taliban and how many were villagers who rushed to the scene to siphon fuel from the stolen trucks.

McChrystal visited the site about 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of Kabul as European leaders already nervous about the escalating war demanded answers. Some called the airstrike – requested by the Germans and carried out by U.S. jets – "a tragedy" and "a big mistake" that must be investigated.

The bombing also sent shock waves through Germany ahead of national elections Sept. 27. Opposition politicians called for a thorough investigation, even as the defense minister insisted all the dead were militants.

After touring the bomb site – where villagers' yellow fuel cans still littered the river bank – McChrystal paid a somber visit to the Kunduz hospital, where he stooped low to talk with a 10-year-old boy whose arms and legs were swathed in gauze.

"While I was going to get the fuel, on the way I heard a big bang, and after that I don't know what happened," said the boy, Mohammad Shafi.

McChrystal whispered "tashakor," – thank you in the Afghan language of Dari – to the boy and left the room.

"Anytime anybody is hurt it is something that gives pause to everybody, particularly when they're young people, still children. And so you take it very seriously," McChrystal said. "So I take this entire effort as something that is a responsibility of our command, and a responsibility of mine, to try to protect Afghans."

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Civilian casualties have dogged the U.S. and NATO mission in Afghanistan since the 2001 invasion. When McChrystal took command in June, he immediately issued orders aimed at reducing such deaths, and asked his troops to concentrate on protecting and understanding Afghan villagers.

The new approach appeared to help, but Friday's bombing threatened a major setback to McChrystal's goals.

"From what I have seen today and going to the hospital, it's clear to me that there were some civilians that were harmed at the site," McChrystal told reporters. He did not say if any civilians were killed.

"I think it's a serious event that is going to be a test of whether we are willing to be transparent and whether we are willing to show that we are here to protect the Afghan people," McChrystal added. "And I think that it's very important to me that we follow through on that."

German officials have insisted everyone killed in the attack were militants. Other NATO officials, though, have conceded that civilians likely died as well.

"There is no reliable information on numbers, but there's a good sort of a gut sense that there had to have been civilians that made their way just based on the anecdotal conversations we've been hearing," said U.S. Rear Adm. Gregory J. Smith, McChrystal's top spokesman.

During his visit to the site, McChrystal asked Smith how many people could be seen on the riverbank through the video feed from U.S. F-15E fighter jets that carried out the attack.

"We could see from the downlink about 120 people?" McChrystal asked.

"It was ebbing and flowing," Smith said.

Afghan officials at first said as many as 90 people died in the bombing, though the Kunduz governor lowered his estimated toll on Saturday to about 70.

Smith said a preliminary review of surveillance video showed that 56 people died in the blast. But no U.S. or NATO official would say how many might have been civilians. McChrystal's reference to 120 people at the site suggests that officials believe civilians died because militants rarely congregate in such numbers.

NATO officials said a B-1 bomber first spotted the two stolen trucks and the dozens of people around them. The B-1 was low on fuel and had to return to base, but the two F-15Es arrived 20 minutes later. The jets transmitted video back to officials at the German base. About 30 minutes after the F-15s appeared, the bombs were dropped, at about 2 a.m.

The nighttime video would have been grainy. Smith described it as showing dark spots on the screen. "You can see shapes," he said.

McChrystal said it's hard to tell who is an insurgent solely by dress.

"They are not obvious by actions until they are doing the hostile act," McChrystal said. "This particular activity occurred about 2 o'clock in the morning, so you have the natural confusion of dark and a rural environment as well. So it's a challenge, but it's a challenge that we have to take very seriously and try to take as much care as we can."

Smith said the upcoming investigation would show if any language barriers between the Germans and the American pilots played a role. It hadn't yet been decided which NATO nation would lead the investigation, he said. Afghan officials were expected to take part.

Before traveling to the site of the bombing, McChrystal met local Afghan leaders and expressed sympathy for any civilian losses. He said the fight against the Taliban should not come at the expense of civilian lives.

At least one local official supported the allied bombing, saying it would help drive the insurgents from the area.

"If we did three more operations like we did yesterday morning, the Kunduz situation would be peaceful and stable," said Ahmadullah Wardak, a provincial council chief.

That was not a view shared by many European leaders, who called Saturday for a speedy investigation. French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said the airstrike was "a big mistake." EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner called the incident "a great, great tragedy."

German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung insisted in comments to the Bild am Sonntag weekly that officials had no information indicating any civilians died in the airstrike.

Also Saturday, NATO said two U.S. service members were killed in separate attacks in Afghanistan.

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Associated Press writer Frank Jordans contributed to this report from Kunduz.

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- Luvial I'm a Fan of Luvial 17 fans permalink

This latest war crime-by-joystick will be part of Obama's war legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 09/06/2009
- Frogfoot I'm a Fan of Frogfoot 7 fans permalink

Obama's got it right ~ kill 'em with drones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 09/05/2009
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Listening to the debate I'm getting frigging tired with all this. I have a son serving in Afghanistan and if politicians and granolas think that you can fight a war but must not call it war, and that troops should protect without killing anyone, then should go there themselves and blow the Talibs into the sea with all the hot air they produce.

So the UN wants to "investigate" whether the attack was justified, because civilian casualties "could not be excluded?



Sorry for the rant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 09/05/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 82 fans permalink
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The 'granolas' want your son home. You have a problem with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 09/06/2009

Don't steal fuel...and if you need fuel, don't get it from terrorists­...and if you house terrorists or aid and abet them then you get what they get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 09/05/2009
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amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 09/05/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 82 fans permalink
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Bloodthisty? Then don't whine if a soldiers photo shows up on AP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 09/06/2009
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globalwarm­ingisafrau­:

Your moniker says it all. I suppose it never occurred to you that if a foreign army vows to 'improve the lives of Afghanis' that might not include bombing civilians who are trying to eke out a living in a war zone not of their making?

BTW; don't send troops into foreign countries when no one there asks for your presence, and maybe US troops won't become targets for homegrown revolts against unwarranted invasions and occupations.

Educate yourself about climate change; it's real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 09/05/2009

Civilians stealing fuel and being with the Taliban equal getting blown up...fair trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 09/05/2009
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Lookit, this is a dirt-poor country. Fuel is scarce. You get it where and when you can. We need to stop blowing people up and get our troops home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/06/2009

Civillians kill soldiers, thats ok. soldiers kill the same civillians: war crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 09/05/2009
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Renatakilol:

Which Afghan civilians are killing soldiers in Afghanistan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 09/05/2009

Good point...th­ere isn't a uniformed army. If civilians want to work alongside the Taliban, they should be killed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 09/05/2009
- Luvial I'm a Fan of Luvial 17 fans permalink

Aren't the Taliban the Afghan civilians who are resisting the US occupation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/06/2009
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Precisely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/06/2009
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Funny how you don't see Obama's name anywhere in the article. When a positive development happens, you see nothing but panting reports about a "success" for the "Obama administration".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 09/05/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 82 fans permalink
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The intial reports by Afghan officials was that 90 people were killed, of which 40 were civilians. What happened? Did the officials miscount, a bit like the vote counts in the recent 'election'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 09/05/2009
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I would imagine body parts was all they had available for the counting, and those are not always identifiable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 09/06/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 82 fans permalink
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'Body parts'? Village officials knew exactly how many people were killed, but Gen. McChrystal only admitted civilians were 'injured'.
In war, civilians don't just get booboos.
Except we aren't at war, just making the world safe for gas pipelines and opium crops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 09/06/2009
- bobsee I'm a Fan of bobsee 18 fans permalink

When will people stop listening to what politicians say, and pay attention to what they do? Obama has done nothing but continue Bush's policies of illegal wars, warrant less wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, signing statements, indefinite suspension, military tribunals etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 09/05/2009

I doubt if you'll get any responses. You are right of course, but the truth hurts and there is no rational explanation at to why he continues to delight the left with this hopey-changey thing while continuing all of the Bush policies that so infuriated them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 09/05/2009
- BradSmith I'm a Fan of BradSmith 183 fans permalink
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I tried twice to post a more in debth comment but the modernator got me so I'll this one quick.

Mr President end this war now! Do it for our troops, do it for Afghanistan and if that's not enough for you do it for your political career.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 09/05/2009
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Russ Feingold is working on this, and I recommend that you contact him and ask what we can do to help. Also, Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Forces committee took a recent trip to Afghanistan, and is now leaning towards Senator Feingold's position on the issue. The signs are good, but let's all keep up the pressure. This is not a winnable conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 09/06/2009
- sparky73 I'm a Fan of sparky73 27 fans permalink
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"there" rather...s­orry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 09/05/2009
- stavros I'm a Fan of stavros 5 fans permalink

No sorry required. In the heat of the moment it's easy to make a mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 09/05/2009
- sparky73 I'm a Fan of sparky73 27 fans permalink
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Illegal war and death to innocent people. Enough already. Its time to get out of Afghanistan! The majority of Americans dont even support the President's decision to increase troop presence their. Where is the Change!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 09/05/2009

Obama's unlimited authorization of kiling via drones has consistently caused many civilian casualties. This is just another case with higher numbers than most. Remember, Obama authorized bombing a funeral which resulted in tens of innocent civilian casualties. It can be argued, convincingly, these attacks will always result in civilians casualties and are therefore illegal. Obama is certainly not in anyway respecting any sort of due process rights to his victims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 09/05/2009
- Cantab81 I'm a Fan of Cantab81 12 fans permalink

Is the Cia or CIFA still controlling these illegally?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 09/05/2009

The predator fired upon fuel trucks (legitimate targets) that had been hijacked by the Taliban who in turned invited civilians (who a certain number were/may have been sympthaziers. No matter what, the trucks were legitimate targets. This web site attracts a certain element that no matter what the U.S. or western (NATO) nations attempt to safeguard our societies this element finds it offensive. I ask are they political sympathizers, anti western culturalist or just pathetic ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 09/05/2009
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So, the strategic value of two truckloads of gasoline far outweighed the risk of completely alienating another few thousand Afghanis and giving the Taliban another PR coup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 09/05/2009

We are at war !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 09/05/2009
- stavros I'm a Fan of stavros 5 fans permalink

Legitimate targets covers a whole spectrum. If your local police were doing a legitimate drug raid and one of your immediate family was injured or killed by them, even though they were innocent, would you say it's alright.
You're right about one thing though. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 09/05/2009

The loss would be horrendous, but it's not a question of being allright. Without being facitious it would be understandable. Horrendus, and in your scenario, tragic, but understandable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 09/05/2009
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Winning the hearts and minds, one at a time. Nothing learned from Viet Nam!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 09/05/2009
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Damn. Took the words out of my mouth. We'll save you from these miscreants if we have to kill every last one of you doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 09/05/2009

learning from past mistakes is anti-american.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 09/05/2009
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