AP: Layoffs Toughest On Younger, Older Workers

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MIKE SCHNEIDER and ERRIN HAINES | 09/ 6/09 04:34 PM | AP

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ORLANDO, Fla. — Marcus Wells and Shirley Walker view their economic prospects from opposite ends of the age spectrum.

Wells, 25, was initially optimistic about his prospects for finding a new job after he was laid off as a systems analyst in January in San Jose, Calif. Now unemployment has begun to wear on the him, and he believes his age has factored into his frustration.

"More experienced people are getting hired, and they're downgrading their skills to get the job," Wells said. "I feel like I'm competing with older workers, not college graduates. It wears on your confidence."

Walker, 58, lost her job running a nonprofit which helped minority women in business in Orlando and hasn't had any luck finding new work in the three months since.

"What they tell us is that they're looking for more mature and experienced workers, but they want us to work for less, or what they could pay younger people to do," she said recently outside an Orlando job fair. "Maybe younger people would be willing or able to accept lesser pay."

Would-be retirees have watched their savings dwindle and health care costs soar, while workers recently out of school and burdened by debt try to advance in careers that no longer have room for them.

The results show up on the map: Places with high concentrations of people in their late 20s or nearing what they thought would be their retirement age are feeling the recession the hardest, as measured by The Associated Press Economic Stress Index. The index assigns each county a score from 1 to 100, with higher numbers reflecting greater stress, based on its unemployment, foreclosures and bankruptcy rates.

California's Santa Clara County, where Wells lives, registered 14.41 on the stress index in July, the most recent month for which figures are available, while Walker's Orange County, Fla., came in at 15.76, both well above the average county's 10.54.

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The groups associated with the highest stress scores in each U.S. county are men and women between ages 25 and 29 and women over age 55. That doesn't necessarily mean having a high percentage of people in those groups causes a county's economic health to worsen, though the two appear to go hand in hand.

Experts said a variety of factors may be at play.

Young adults are more at risk for losing their jobs and homes in a recession, while people later in life are more likely to declare bankruptcy in order to protect their assets, said Tay McNamara, director of research at the Center on Aging and Work at Boston College.

"Last hired, first fired. Generally, that is very true," McNamara said.

Chanel Moore knows how that goes. The 25-year-old Orlando resident was laid off last year from a job in retail and has found herself competing with older workers in her jobs searches.

"I'm young, trying to get on my feet, and then you have people older than me who are already on their feet looking for jobs with more experience than me," Moore said.

Workers in the 25 to 34 age group have seen the most dramatic rise in unemployment during the past year compared to other age groups. Their unemployment rate went from 5.7 percent in July 2008 to 10 percent in July 2009, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Compounding the pain for some young workers can be big bills from their careers as students. The average undergraduate finishes college with $17,700 in debt at four-year public schools and $22,375 in debt at four-year private schools. Also, student loan provider Sallie Mae reported this year that seniors graduated college with an average credit card debt of more than $4,100 in 2008, up from $2,900 four years earlier.

If there is a bright side for this age group, it's that they are less likely than older workers to have a family to feed or mortgage to pay.

"They're a pretty flexible group," said Tom Smith, a labor economist at Emory University. "They have fewer ties to a community and can travel or relocate."

Though younger people may be more likely to be laid off, older workers are less likely to recover from a layoff, experts said. Part of the reason stems from the myths surrounding older workers – that they're tough to train, more expensive and not comfortable with new technology, said Joseph Quinn, a professor of economics at Boston College.

"Once they do get laid off, they're really hosed," Quinn said.

Unemployment rates for older workers have increased in this recession more than in past recessions, and the unemployment rate for adults over age 65 is at an all-time high – 7 percent in July. That is up from 3.3 percent at the start of the recession in December 2007, but still below the national unemployment rate of 9.7 percent in August. The previous high was 6.6 percent in February 1977.

The rise in unemployment for older workers is partly the result of a mobile work force that hasn't stayed with a single employer for long periods of time as in the past, said Richard Johnson, a senior fellow at The Urban Institute in Washington.

"What seemed to protect older workers in the past is that they had a lot of seniority," Johnson said. "Now there is much more churning going on with these older workers. Even though they're older and experienced, they haven't been with the employer for very long."

Recent figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics back this up. The BLS data shows that workers over age 55 have found their share of mass layoffs increasing during the past decade – from just over 12 percent in 1999 to almost 18 percent in 2009.

Laid-off older workers are more likely this recession than in past recessions to try to find other jobs, rather than drop out of the labor market, since the tanking of the stock market last year has caused their retirement nest eggs to shrink, Johnson said.

Retirees, and near-retirees, also are more vulnerable to stock market fluctuations than in past decades as retirement benefits have shifted from defined-benefit pensions to 401(k) plans. About two-thirds of assets in 401(k) plans were invested in stocks in 2007, according to a study by the Investment Company Institute.

Estimates vary on how much was lost last year in retirement accounts, though most assessments have those accounts losing about a quarter to a third of their value.

Even though Medicare provides health insurance coverage to those age 65 and older, out-of-pocket medical expenditures increase with age. They were on average $2,900 during a two-year period for those ages 55 to 64 but grew to $4,400 for people age 85 and older, according to a federal Health and Retirement Study survey that was taken in 2002 before prescription drugs were covered by Medicare.

Walker, the Orlando executive, worried recently that she might have to take any job that becomes available to her, no matter if it fits her career path or salary expectations that come with an MBA.

"If you've been out there working, and you have a career, now it's like starting a career all over again," she said.

Out in California, former systems analyst Wells is living with his girlfriend, who supports the couple on her income, and he is looking for jobs outside of his field. Recently, he considered joining the military.

"I'm looking for part-time, temporary ... I'm looking for everything," Wells said. "I don't have another year of emergency funds to tough it out. I'm getting desperate. I'm 25 and I need to start making it happen."

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Errin Haines reported from Atlanta.

ORLANDO, Fla. — Marcus Wells and Shirley Walker view their economic prospects from opposite ends of the age spectrum. Wells, 25, was initially optimistic about his prospects for finding a new j...
ORLANDO, Fla. — Marcus Wells and Shirley Walker view their economic prospects from opposite ends of the age spectrum. Wells, 25, was initially optimistic about his prospects for finding a new j...
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It seems our efforts to achieve actual results with regards to reform in the banking & finance sectors are futile. In addition, the disconnect between reality and wall street keeps widening. The situation is frustrating.
hat tip: to http://www.iamned.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 09/09/2009

Obama isn't doing enough with regards to executive pay and bank & wallstreet regulation

good articles: http://www.iamned.com ... ..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 09/08/2009
- indi1216 I'm a Fan of indi1216 7 fans permalink

All the executive pays are contracted during employment, they are legal and binding, there is not a whole lot anybody can do to stop this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 09/09/2009
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Eventually the young will grow tired of the old screwing them; you drove this country into a ditch while drinking the trickle down kool-aid and now that you are overextended or wiped out you want a do over at the expense of your children. Don't be surprised when we totally turn our backs on you and leave you to want ever fate will be yours.

The ship is sinking but you are to stubborn, to stupid, or both, to get off and want to prevent us from getting in the lifeboats because you need help bailing water. Well we intend to build a new ship and will do it with or without your assistance. We will not allow your flawed beliefs and lack of logic to destroy us as well. Your system has failed on every level in ever way yet you still cling to the illusion that you know what's best and that you know what you are doing. Such ignorance and arrogance is appalling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 09/08/2009
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"What they tell us is that they're looking for more mature and experienced workers, but they want us to work for less, or what they could pay younger people to do," she said recently outside an Orlando job fair. "Maybe younger people would be willing or able to accept lesser pay."

What a piece of work, the sense of entitlement never ends. Good luck with your job search.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 09/08/2009
- iblogleft I'm a Fan of iblogleft 86 fans permalink
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Journalists should be honest about what is happening to the U.S. job market.

We are lowering our wages to meet the wages of other economies, instead of raising tariffs and trade taxes to force wage growth in other economies to more fairly compete with ours.

Whatever your take on unions, it is important to understand that unions are going to be the only thing that stand in between the standard of living we had, and the standard of living that free-market capitalists want us to have.

Buy American as much as possible. It is times like these when a little protectionism goes a long way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 09/08/2009
- jalowe1957 I'm a Fan of jalowe1957 41 fans permalink
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All this leads me to ask this question: Are workers being pressured to settle less, or be willing to settle for even less just to land the gig?

Thought I'd ask.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 09/08/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 131 fans permalink
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Im guessing this article was written by a younger worker.

I wonder if Steve Glass wrote this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 09/07/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 256 fans permalink
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This article does not make clear enough that older workers will NEVER be hired unless their health care in unattached from the job.

The best thing would be simply to let anyone who wants to sign up for Medicare. Simple, understandable, economical. Young and old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/07/2009
- ssfahrer I'm a Fan of ssfahrer 5 fans permalink

More people on Medicare = More Federal Government expenditure = increase in the national debt = making any economic recession WORSE!!!! We have to stop relying on government at all levels to provide social AND military services. It can't do both-- it is best at the "death business" (i.e., military / police, etc.) and $ucks at "the life business" (i.e., social services).­.. Those functions should be turned over to the RELIGIOUS institutions (especially makes sense if you believe in strict 'separation of church and state') or 'nongovernmental organizations'-- NOT the Government.

Can YOU trust your government with YOUR LIFE? I say, "NO WAY"!!!! That's why the 'teabaggers' are more socially correct than those who believe that Government can be made more 'human'-- those who support the teabaggers know better....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 09/07/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 131 fans permalink
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Why is it that the rich can rely on the gov when the gov looks the other way when they cheat on their taxes? Why is it ok when corporations get billions of dollars every year from the government in welfare , even before the bailouts started. Why is it ok for corporations to get tax breaks and other incentives to build or not to move or whatever it is they want?
But its not ok for the people who do the work that make these corporations and wealthy people wealthy to get any help or benefits from their own tax money I will never understand. there is more handed to the rich and corporations by our government every single minute of every day than any middle class or poor person gets in 1000 lifetimes.
Go figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 09/08/2009
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Government run health care in all other developed countries costs half of what our current mess of a system costs. Which means that we already pay twice the health care tax than any other country. Compared to other countries, we already waste $1 trillion per year.

The 'fiscal conservatives' have no problem wasting this tax money when it goes directly to their big corporate campaign contributors.

I trust the government to run health care before I trust Double Cross and No Shield and most especially any biased church.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/08/2009

I just saw some teabaggers on TV screaming. I concluded you folks ain't going to make it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 09/07/2009

I'm an ancient one who entered "career transition" well over ten years ago. This was never anticipated. I could have easily transitioned from an eight to a three. However, the depth of the downward spiral was beyond horrific. After sizable loses and depression, I realized what could be controlled by me. These were my inner self and body.

I was always motivated to seek intense physical outdoors activity. Any medical intervention, prior to, after age fifty has been to mend a few broken bones and seal abrasions. The normal perceived infirmities of my old age are not upon me.

Career wise, these attributes and circumstances led to career transition from corporate suite to the maritime industry. This occurred during a period of intense international shipping. Moving from suit to salt water foul weather gear was very agreeable. I was thankful to be able to do the work.

Although I lack the symbols, honors, and accouterments of "success," my life is not lacking. I remain very physically and intellectually active. It's been quite a ride.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 09/07/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 256 fans permalink
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(Reading your thoughtful comments, i am reminded of the Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times". We have, haven't we?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 09/07/2009

Very true... It has been quite a ride....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 09/07/2009

there will soon be a massive amount of chaos in the streets.
citizens will rebel against one another in cause of broken promises and dreams.
where then will we see the hope and change?

the future will be interesting as i see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/07/2009
- LunaPark I'm a Fan of LunaPark 15 fans permalink

There probably will be some civil unrest. I think the collapse of the dollar will cause it. We have incurred such massive debt, I see no other way for the government to pay for this borrowed money other than cheapening the dollar by inflation (ie printing more money). For the poor and seniors on fixed income, it will be really bad. We can thank the Keynesian economic philosophy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 09/07/2009

when the dollar collapses, i say when not if.
i do not think the chinese will help get us out of this mess

the scenario i see coming is that the united states will soon become a poor nation.
we will soon learn the harshness of third world countries, and we will be begging for any job available out there. for the future generation, there will not be any hope as long as we are competing against other countries, who save and work much harder than the average american. we do not need smarter people, we have enough of that already, we need less greedy people and with human nature that is impossible.

get ready for a reality shock coming soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 09/07/2009
- charmante I'm a Fan of charmante 3 fans permalink

Better yet, we can thank trickle down economics also known as reaganomics for our massive debt. The first true reagan president we had was GW Bush and he and the republican­-controlle­d congress left us with the following legacy:

A Medicare prescription drug benefit that will cost the government almost $1 trillion over the next decade without raising or saving a penny to pay for it.
Tax cuts for wealthy Americans that will cost more than $1.7 trillion over 10 years, again without making provisions to offset the costs.
$700 billion banking bailout plus $24 trillion Fed Reserve backstop.
Two unnecessary wars ongoing in Iraq and Afghanistan which will be consuming a total of $3 trillion and will burden the economy for decades to come in the form of veterans’ benefits.

Thanks but no thanks for the misplaced rage

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/07/2009
- Rosarita I'm a Fan of Rosarita 5 fans permalink

In mentioning retirees, the fact that there will be no COLA for social security recipients in 2010 and possible not until 2013 is actually manufacturing hardship for seniors and is not acceptable. This is the most vulnerable group of all - many too old and with compromised health to even think about reentering the work force. The elimination of the COL:A for the elderly is not getting enough attention in the media. The elderly need representation in Washington, and need it badly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 09/07/2009

Here again. Black people's faces and backs are associated with unemployment by this site. It has become so habitual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/07/2009
- rblaquinta I'm a Fan of rblaquinta 20 fans permalink

I am from California­..lived in an area where at least 500,000 spec homes were built....t­his country cut it own throat....­everyone was happy living in la la land...unt­il everything tumbled into the abyss.....­we did it to our selves and closed our eyes knowing that the good times based on NOTHING!!!! was going to end. Now some idiots blame Obama....g­ive me a friggin break .... for the most part all anyone has to do is look in the mirror. We know what has to be done...Tha­t's why we elected this wonderful man. Reform healthcare­....cut the waste in medicare..­.reform our educational system....­.in the world's standing we are what 35th as far as educaiton goes..what joke. and for all those construction workers...­.thinking that having a high school diploma or less is going to get them great jobs!!! Those days are over...get back in school...T­he Sec of Ed. Arnie Duncan is absolutely spot on alll this children who are dropping out of high school the and that is over 1,0000,000 kids now they have no chance of getting a job in the 21st not a chance PERIOD!!!! The are some wonder tech schools..w­e will need skilled people..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 09/07/2009

The statistics embedded within what you describe illustrate the true state of the United States. The strength of the society in not found in the numbers of carrier battle groups and troops deployed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 09/07/2009
- Brute I'm a Fan of Brute 48 fans permalink

Tough break for Barry.....­.....

Change You Can Believe In!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 09/07/2009

What is it you do not get, that if this present administration fails so does the country?

The US should have a sale on dining room tables. You sure have alot of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 09/07/2009
- Snowball I'm a Fan of Snowball 49 fans permalink
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It's not Obama's fault he has to try to pick up the pieces left by the worst President in US history. It's going to take a decade or more to clean up the mess Republicans left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 09/07/2009

Many many many decades.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 09/07/2009
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