Karzai Nears Win As Recount Ordered In Afghanistan

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JASON STRAZIUSO and HEIDI VOGT | 09/ 8/09 10:57 PM | AP

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Afghans cycle past an election poster in Kabul, Afghanistan, Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2009. The U.N.-backed commission charged with investigating Afghanistan's presidential election said Tuesday that it has found "clear and convincing evidence of fraud" in the results and ordered a re-count of ballots from questionable polling stations. (AP Photo/Manish Swarup)

KABUL — A U.N.-backed commission found "convincing evidence" of fraud Tuesday in Afghanistan's presidential election and ordered a recount of suspect ballots in at least three provinces, a process that could take months.

At the same time, Afghan officials released new returns that give President Hamid Karzai 54 percent of the vote with nearly all ballots tallied, enough to avoid a run-off unless large numbers of tainted ballots are ultimately thrown out.

The separate announcements from the complaints commission, which is dominated by U.N.-appointed Westerners, and the election commission, which is filled with Karzai appointees, could set the stage for a showdown.

The image of a crooked Afghan president rigging the vote threatens to discredit the entire U.S.-led mission here at a time when NATO casualties are mounting and American, European and Canadian voters are fatigued and disenchanted with the war.

"The perception of fraud will shorten the length of time that one can expect foreign support," said Ronald E. Neumann, a former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan. "People will just get disgusted. They'll say, `Why do I sacrifice my son for a leadership that cannot rally the country fairly?'"

Four more U.S. troops were killed Tuesday during what the military labeled a "complex attack" in eastern Kunar province. August was already the deadliest month of the eight-year war for both U.S. troops and the entire NATO force at the hands of a resurgent Taliban in southern Afghanistan.

President Barack Obama is facing increasing resistance to the war at a time when he has little political capital to spare, and many supporters are urging him to scale back the U.S. presence in Afghanistan.

Obama ordered 21,000 additional troops to the country this year with the immediate goal of ensuring a safe and credible election, and Gen. Stanley McChrystal will soon ask him to send thousands more. Those favoring an increased U.S. presence argue that the American troop buildup has not been given enough time to succeed.

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Also in need of much more time is the process of sorting out the many allegations of vote fraud. State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Tuesday it could take months – but that the most important thing is for the allegations to be addressed in a way that gives ordinary Afghans confidence in the legitimacy of the outcome.

New results released Tuesday gave Karzai more than 50 percent of ballots cast for the first time since officials began releasing partial returns following the Aug. 20 vote. With results in from almost 92 percent of the country's polling sites – representing 5.7 million votes – Karzai has 54.1 percent, and will likely finish the preliminary count with a majority.

The standing of top challenger Abdullah Abdullah has dropped dramatically as more results have come in from the south – Karzai's stronghold – in recent days. Abdullah now has 28.3 percent.

If, as expected, the Afghan election commission soon announces that a final count shows Karzai won a majority of the vote, the U.N.-backed Electoral Complaints Commission will begin its investigations of fraud.

The commission took its first step in that direction Tuesday, ordering a recount at polling stations where it had found "clear and convincing evidence of fraud."

Daoud Ali Najafi, chief electoral officer of the Afghan-run election commission, said recounting votes could take "two months or three months."

Afghanistan's electoral law gives the U.N.-backed complaints commission broad authorities. It can nullify any votes it deems fraudulent, order a re-count of votes or order a new vote entirely. The commission is made up of one American, one Canadian and one Dutch national – all appointed by the U.N. – and two Afghans appointed by an Afghan human rights organization and the country's Supreme Court.

The U.N. commission did not indicate how many polling stations would require re-counts, but said it had so far identified some with questionable results in Ghazni, Paktika and Kandahar provinces – all southern areas dominated by Karzai's ethnic Pashtun group.

If it voids huge blocks of votes in the south, that could drop Karzai's total below 50 percent and force a run-off with Abdullah – a contest which Karzai would be favored to win.

The commission said it was also launching investigations in other provinces after receiving more than 720 major fraud complaints throughout the country.

The results announced Tuesday do not include potentially tainted ballots that the Afghan-run commission had already quarantined from more than 600 of the country's 26,000 polling stations. The U.N.-backed commission will investigate and determine whether they can be counted or be discarded.

Western officials say ballots have been submitted from hundreds of fake voting sites, especially in the south. The Afghan-run commission has tallied dozens of voting sites where Karzai won neatly rounded blocks of ballots – 200, 300 and 500 votes – results that one Western official labeled "illogical." It was unclear whether they were among the ballots that the Afghan commission has set aside.

Polling stations showing 100 percent turnout or with a candidate receiving more than 95 percent of the vote will need to be audited and recounted, the U.N.-backed commission said. Stations with fewer than 100 ballots will be exempt.

Grant Kippen, chairman of the complaints commission, said other irregularities include ballots not being folded – meaning they would not fit in a ballot box slot – identically marked ballots and overly large counts.

Kippen said he saw a box with 1,700 ballots in Kandahar, even though the maximum should be 600.

Although Karzai was practically the toast of the Bush administration, U.S.-Afghan relations cooled significantly when Obama came to office in January. The Afghan leader has angered Washington by pardoning drug dealers and cozying up to warlords, actions that he evidently thought were necessary to ensure his re-election.

It would now appear that those very same Afghan power brokers have fueled the hundreds of apparent incidents of fraud to help re-elect Karzai and thereby retain the patronage jobs and other benefits they've reaped by allying themselves with his government.

KABUL — A U.N.-backed commission found "convincing evidence" of fraud Tuesday in Afghanistan's presidential election and ordered a recount of suspect ballots in at least three provinces, a proce...
KABUL — A U.N.-backed commission found "convincing evidence" of fraud Tuesday in Afghanistan's presidential election and ordered a recount of suspect ballots in at least three provinces, a proce...
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- JISantiago I'm a Fan of JISantiago 19 fans permalink

Votes bought with money, weight of power or intimidation. Or winning election by stealing or destroying votes cast for opponent.

Is this what we call democracy? Are American lives worth sacrificing for this kind of "people power"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 09/09/2009
- rf dude I'm a Fan of rf dude 27 fans permalink
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He might be Karzai, but he's NOT Krazai...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 09/09/2009
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Our own country is a disaster area, why do we insist on trying to fix other countries?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 09/08/2009

THE SHAM ELECTIONS IN AFGHANISTAN
Vote rigging, ballot box stuffing, duplicate ballots, validity and final outcome of elections in doubt, no we are not talking about Iranian elections but Afghan elections supervised by U.S. and NATO. In one District alone, not a single vote was caste and yet all 38,000 votes showed up in one candidate's column. Where is the outrage? Why are the U.S. leaders not raving and ranting about it and why is Mr. Fareed Zakaria not blowing hot and cold on CNN's GPS Program?

Before the elections, NATO's representative in charge of overseeing the elections foolishly claimed an expected 80% voter turnout. The actual number seems well below 30%. Even in India, a country with perpetual 62 year democracy and frequent election history, voter turnout has not yet reached 80%, it is usually around 60%.

Obviously NATO does not understand Afghanistan where half the population i.e. women are not allowed by their husbands/fathers to go out of their houses let alone participate in elections. This shows a complete lack of understanding of Afghan culture and realities on the ground. It begs the question, if after eight years of presence on the ground, U.S. and NATO still do not understand Afghanistan, then what are they doing there?

The West's efforts of nation building are doomed to failure as long as it continues to provide oxygen to leaders with criminal background in Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 09/08/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 296 fans permalink
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Enjoyed the post, one thing though:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/fareed.zakaria.gps/

They are covering it online. Time will tell if he does it on his show (if he hasn't. I've missed it last few weeks being out of town)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 09/08/2009

No, voter fraud? Really? You mean an election taking place during a foreign occupation would have fraudulent results. I am Shocked!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 09/08/2009
- Jaladeno I'm a Fan of Jaladeno 123 fans permalink
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O!bermann just had a montage of si!ly people (the usual su$pects) saying stewp!d kr@p about the Prez' speech to schoolchildren today. One of the id!ots was named Andrea, but I didn't catch the whole name. It wasn't our resident $tooge Castillo, was it? She didn't really parlay her semi-cuteness and lack of w!t into a gig on DumFox Noise Channel, did she?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 09/08/2009
- novoorganum I'm a Fan of novoorganum 128 fans permalink
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The Supreme Court ruled without supporting a full recount of the votes. Without the backing of the court, the discrepancy was allowed to stand, and some Floridians were deprived of their right to have their votes counted. So, the final tally became certified as the official version and used to support the argument that Repubs won fair and square. Of course, we will never really know. The perceived stolen election is besides the point. Repubs enjoyed eight years of absolute power and have proven themselves to be incapable, incompetent and grossly negligent in managing the affairs of the American People; the past eight years have left a bitter taste in the mouths of most Americans. In 2008, the people voted overwhelmingly for change. If Obama’s skin tome were a different hue, he would have won every state in the Union.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 09/08/2009
- cycle3man I'm a Fan of cycle3man 16 fans permalink

What good is a recount. They need another vote.
They'll never find the votes thrown into the dumoster!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 09/08/2009
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flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy I'm a fan of this user 197 fans permalink
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Many AQ received hospital treatment in |raq.

Read the Duelfer report.
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Yes, the report released AFTER we invaded and destabilized the country. Which, in turn, allowed for AQ to slip in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 09/08/2009
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Republican Rejected claims that W spent less than Clinton in every budget category expect defense.

Here are W's spending increases by budget item from W's last year in office compared to Clinton's last year in office.

International affairs: $16.3 Billion more than Clinton

General science and basic research $4.3 Billion more than Clinton
Space and other technology $4.8 Billion more than Clinton
Total General science, space and technology $9.1 Billion more than Clinton
Energy $0.9 Billion more than Clinton
Natural resources and environment $7.8 Billion more than Clinton
Agriculture $3.9 Billion more than Clinton
Commerce and housing credit -$1.4 Billion more than Clinton

Ground transportation $18.6 Billion more than Clinton
Air transportation $9.2 Billion more than Clinton
Water and other transportation $3.5 Billion more than Clinton
Total Transportation $31.3 Billion more than Clinton
Community and regional development $12.7 Billion more than Clinton

Education $28.1 Billion more than Clinton
Training, employment and social services $4.9 Billion more than Clinton
Total Education, training, employment and social services $33.0 Billion more than Clinton
Health $24.0 Billion more than Clinton


Housing assistance $11.5 Billion more than Clinton
Other $5.4 Billion more than Clinton
Total Income security $16.8 Billion more than Clinton

Veterans benefits and services $20.4 Billion more than Clinton
Administration of justice $19.3 Billion more than Clinton

Republican Rejected just make stuff up.

Table 8.7

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 09/08/2009
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...makes stuff up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 09/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 46 fans permalink
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That was his downfall, too liberal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 09/08/2009
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Yep, not a conservative as advertised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 09/08/2009
- THEPILGRIM I'm a Fan of THEPILGRIM 17 fans permalink

Karzai was put in place by the US and Britain. He has effectively achieved – nothing – nothing!
The people of Afghanistan have clearly spoken, they want to get rid of him and rightfully so.
We as a nation have no business in Afghanistan what so ever, we need to get out of there right now.
We can’t afford insanity like this anymore!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 09/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 46 fans permalink
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He's got a nice robe, his signature accomplishment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 09/08/2009
- BradSmith I'm a Fan of BradSmith 195 fans permalink
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There is one reason and one reason only why most Democrats are for this war and his name is Obama.

If McCain was doing the exact same thing there would be only a handfull of Democrat backing this war.


Yes there are democrats who voted for Obama because he was pro-war. However, that does not change the fact that the anti-war movement has been destroyed by blind followers of Obama.

Mr. President bring our troops home, do it for them and their families, do it for your country, do it for the people of Afghanistan, if that is not enough do it for you job and legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/08/2009
- TheDiceMan I'm a Fan of TheDiceMan 105 fans permalink
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nine eleven

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 09/08/2009
- BradSmith I'm a Fan of BradSmith 195 fans permalink
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Eight years ago al qaeda long gone. Try again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 09/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 46 fans permalink
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Unfortunately, this is one case where I wish the Republicans were as devoid of values as Dems; then they could be against this war instead of remaing consistent with their earlier support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 09/08/2009
- poco767c I'm a Fan of poco767c 387 fans permalink
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Flossophy

CassandraComplex said
"Putin loves the leftists' Trotskyism"

Discuss

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 09/08/2009
- TheDiceMan I'm a Fan of TheDiceMan 105 fans permalink
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philosophy means "love of wisdom".

Flossophy means "Flossy Sophist."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 09/08/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 350 fans permalink
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What is P00tin these days?

Is he a c0mmie? a s0cialist? a fasc|st? a mafi0so? a kung-fu hunk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 46 fans permalink
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Speaking of the UN, they're about to create a new Reserve currency.

The Dollar has been king for 90 years and now Obama has made it 2nd rate in 8 months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 09/08/2009
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Reagun and bush made sure we will all be able to pronounce yuan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 09/08/2009
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Barack didn;t melt down the world economy...­.you did

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 09/08/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 350 fans permalink
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We've went over this a gazillion times before, A-Splash.

Fannie & Freddie melted down the world's economies, not cimbri.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 09/08/2009
- postman66 I'm a Fan of postman66 350 fans permalink
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The dollar will remain king. Other entities are free to create whatever currency they can sustain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 09/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 46 fans permalink
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I think they will gradually reduce their holdings and move towards a new reserve currency. They've already started the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 09/08/2009
- BigAl72 I'm a Fan of BigAl72 137 fans permalink
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Economics was not your strong point, eh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 09/08/2009
- OneTop I'm a Fan of OneTop 92 fans permalink
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I don't think reality is either ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/08/2009

You can thank your man Bush for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 09/08/2009
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BradSmith

"We did not have a surplus. Clinton spent 1.54 trillion dollars more than we took in. Thats trillion with a T. His administration put us in debt by one and a half Trillion dollars."

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Guess what, Clinton spent that money on things like infrastructure, education, energy, hence why we had that surplus thingy at the end of his last term in 2001.

Clinton was more fiscally conservative than any other so called "fiscal conservative" you guys can think of

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 09/08/2009
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What categories of govt spending did W spend less on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 09/08/2009
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everything but war and the corporate elite

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 09/08/2009
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Why do you h8 Nascar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 09/08/2009
- cimbri I'm a Fan of cimbri 46 fans permalink
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We had a surplus in his last few years from stock market capital gains from bubbles that popped in 2000. Bush inherited a recession and 9-11 from Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 09/08/2009
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LMAO, the whole Clinton recession BS...

and using your logic, Clinton inherited a recession and the first W T C attack from Bush 41

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 09/08/2009
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