Hoyer: House Could Pass Health Care Bill Without Public Option

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First Posted: 09- 8-09 12:53 PM   |   Updated: 09- 8-09 01:40 PM

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House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters Tuesday that a health care reform bill that did not include a public insurance option could pass the House as long as it met key objectives.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has repeatedly said that such a bill would not have the votes to pass. Progressives in the House have vowed not to support any bill that doesn't include a robust public option and Democrats are unlikely to get more than a handful of GOP votes.

When Hoyer floated the possibility of passing health care reform without a public option earlier this summer, Pelosi quickly responded by saying that it couldn't be done. Yet Hoyer went back to the same well.

"I think a bill can pass the House that a majority of the House believes enhances, moves forward substantially, the providing of access to affordable quality health care. I know that sounds like a litany to you and it is a litany, but the fact of the matter is I believe a bill that accomplishes very substantially the objectives the president has put forward and we've put forward can pass the House," he said.

"I think the public option is a very good choice for consumers to have," he said. "On the other hand, I have said that I hope to move a bill forward that can garner majority support."

So the public option, asked one reporter, isn't necessarily vital?

"No, I think it's vital and important. Do I think it's a condition of passing the bill? My position has been: I'm for the public option," Hoyer said. "But I think there's a lot that in the bill that is very good in addition to the public option. Interpreting that means if the public isn't going in there, I still could support a bill because I think there's a lot in there that's good."

House progressives have vowed to vote against any bill that doesn't have a public option. The bloc has enough members to sink the legislation, putting them closer to a game of chicken with the conservative Blue Dog Coalition. Blue Dogs, however, are not unanimously opposed to a public option -- a number of them have publicly supported it -- and the progressives are not in lock-step opposition to any bill that doesn't include it.

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A handful of members have said they are open to a compromise where the public option would be "triggered" by the failure of the insurance industry to meet certain objectives within a specific time frame. Advocates of the public option worry the trigger is an industry ploy to kill it entirely and that the legislation would be written in such a way that it would never be triggered.

Hoyer said he hoped that the progressives didn't follow through on the threat to sink the bill. "I hope we don't blow up the whole process. I think this is a robust, animated, important debate that we are having about how to put this together. Everybody knows how consequential it is," he said. "So I don't think anybody's being recalcitrant. I think they're stating their views and stating them strongly. In the final analysis, we'll have to come down and see what we can pass."

Hoyer then referenced the death of Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.), a "great warrior," in pushing the case for compromise. What made Kennedy great, said Hoyer, was that he was a "consummate legislator."

Those negotiations won't likely involve House Republicans, Hoyer said. "I would like to forge a bipartisan bill over here. My analysis is that that's not the desire of members of the committees -- in fact, although I'm not going to mention specifically which committee -- one ranking member has made it clear his leadership discussed with him a lack of interest in him pursuing with the chairman a bipartisan alternative," he said.

The House will not be waiting for the Senate to pass a bill before it moves to final passage, Hoyer said, but he added that he and others were curious to see what the upper chamber would do.

"We don't have a policy of waiting for the Senate to act," he said.

The Senate returns to its pre-recess routine Tuesday. The Gang of Six -- three Democrats and three Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee -- will meet to discuss a proposal laid out by committee chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.). A source familiar with the proposal said that it comes in south of $900 billion over ten years and includes nonprofit cooperatives instead of a public health insurance option.

"The policies included represent many of the policies discussed with Finance Committee members and described in previous options papers. In addition, the policies also reflect the group's conversations and the group's work throughout the summer, including throughout the August recess. It adheres closely to the group's work and reflects the numerous areas of agreement among the members," said the source in an e-mail.

"Chairman Baucus proposed this framework for consideration and response by the group's next meeting Tuesday. He made clear to members that the proposal is not a final product, should not be construed as a Chairman's Mark and does not include everything that might be in a Chairman's Mark." (A Chairman's Mark is an alternative bill dropped into the process by the chairman and doesn't need the input of other members.) The email continued: "Members were encouraged to suggest individual modifications or offer whole or partial counters to specific provisions. Members were also advised that any modification offered that would increase the cost of the package, should include offsets to keep the package budget neutral."


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House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters Tuesday that a health care reform bill that did not include a public insurance option could pass the House as long as it met key objectives. ...
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters Tuesday that a health care reform bill that did not include a public insurance option could pass the House as long as it met key objectives. ...
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- DebbieKat I'm a Fan of DebbieKat 8 fans permalink

Can we get a movement going to put a "No Confidence" on Obama and elect Kucinich instead? Can we? Yes we can. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 09/09/2009
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He looks like a pickpocket who has just been spotted in that picture. I think he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 09/09/2009
- fictioneer I'm a Fan of fictioneer 19 fans permalink
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It wouldn't be reform, and hundreds of thousands of people would still die every year for recissions by "health" insurance companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 09/09/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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I think we need to prepare ourselves for massive marches if this fails to pass with a public option. We need to hold them all accountable and not just sit back and take what they hand us! Democrats, Blue Dogs and Republicans, it is time to pay the paulper and act for not only the people but the survival of this country. We can no longer sit back and allow corporations to entirely run this country into the ground for their personal pockets and rich life styles.
The time is near for the people to make those in office accountable for the office they hold. We slept while Bush screwed us over with his war mongering facist ways, no more! We cant accept no more of this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 09/09/2009
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excellent comment Sueinmn!
Thats exactly what is happening and we democrats should not just sit on our butts and watch while the wingnuts decide what is right for this country!, Why are we allowing the corporations to get their way by bullying us and misleading the people with their lies and money lobbying our politicians who should be representing us, and not the corporations?
This is a scandal of the highest degree and we should rise up , fight, and insist on single payer HC or at least a public option , and accept no less! We cannot just sit back and accept defeat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 09/09/2009

As long as there are corporate lobbyists, the American people will get nothing. Lobbyists wine and dine OUR so-called senators and representatives and the American people get scr*wed every time b/c there really IS no one to represent us anymore. NO ONE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 09/09/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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What purpose is their to do anything if it does not contain a public option. Is this about helping people or continuing to help insurance companies make even more???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/09/2009
- DebbieKat I'm a Fan of DebbieKat 8 fans permalink

Exactly. It is completely a ruse to give more business to insurance companies. It was never about helping the citizens. Perhaps we should all (at least those of us healthy enough to do so) drop our insurance regardless of fines. If insurance companies have no money to pay lobbyists with, we might finally get single payer. What are they going to do with the fines anyway? Has that been made clear at all? I truly hope they don't force mandatory health insurance on us. I am still considering dropping my insurance. This is getting ridiculous. I'm paying for NOTHING. My deductible is so high (not by choice -- employer decided) that I'm only just now, in September, reaching it for me and my husband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 09/09/2009
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exactly, this revision would be a defeat for all of us and a win win situation for the insurance companies who now will get even more business,,,is this what we call REFORM???????
NO NO NO< we must not accept this , contact your congress man and let him know how you feel and what you expect from him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 09/09/2009
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Hoyer is an equivocating semi-republican, thank goodness he did not become Speaker of the House and thank goodness Nancy did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 09/09/2009
- DebbieKat I'm a Fan of DebbieKat 8 fans permalink

Meh. I'm not impressed with either of them at the moment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 09/09/2009
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 64 fans permalink

I predict that if the public option isn't in the bill there will be a massive defection from the Democratic Party to the ranks of Independent. So far Obama is pretty much continuing the Bush war agenda and giving all the war criminals and war profiteers a free pass. I think it is a fraud and a travesty of justice that Holder will be investigating the grunts at the end of the torture chain of cmmand and none of the guys who established torture as a policy and practice of rhe US gvernement..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 09/09/2009
- Tommygun264 I'm a Fan of Tommygun264 220 fans permalink
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Steny -

No strong public option NOW, no re-election. It's that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 09/09/2009

VOTE HIM OUT NOWWWWWW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 09/09/2009
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 27 fans permalink

Let Hoyer know how you feel.
202-225--3130

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 AM on 09/09/2009
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Pass Healthcare without a public option and the Democrats might as well pull a Palin and quit because they will not be voted in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 09/09/2009
- max hp I'm a Fan of max hp 179 fans permalink

**************************************************************************************************************
.............................. AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ..............................
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We, the people, want a Federal Government administered Public Option in whatever Health Insurance Reform bill you sign. Sir, it is what you asked for in your June 2, 2009 letter to Senators Edward Kennedy and Max Baucus. The following is a quote from that letter:

"I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive and keep insurance companies honest."

We agree with you completely and fully support your efforts to that end. At the same time, we all have to admit that Health Insurance Reform is only MEANINGFUL if:

There is a condition-free Public Option (No Co-operatives or Triggers)
Everybody is covered. (Everybody, without exception)
Coverage can't be denied based on "Pre-existing" conditions.
Strict Regulations are imposed on ALL insurance plans.

We understand the passing of Senator Kennedy has dealt a severe blow to Health Insurance Reform. We also recognize that there isn't enough support in Congress for your primary goals. But, we place our faith in you to do what is right for all the people. So let us move forward with what we can achieve today and hope for a better tomorrow.

... We truly appreciate your administration's tireless efforts on the many issues we are facing today ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good Luck and Thank You, Sir ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 09/09/2009
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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Mixed signals causing mixed reactions. Separation of powers says, Congress has a role to play and the onus is not entirely on the president. Thus, all criticism for mixed signals cannot be laid squarely at the president's feet -- although, I wonder what “Party leadership” and “Party unity” means. Though I know the president has enemies within the Party who are a step away from being on the other side.

I am open enough to envision strategy I cannot conceive of where one plays possum or coy to the very end. Well, tomorrow that killer Frank Miller (High Noon) is going to be in the middle of the road. Bring’ em to justice or fold -- or forever there can be no doubt of who owns this nation and what democracy is truly about. No -- not stuck on one issue...pass the tissue on that tear jerker (sad) of a defense. This is all about the uncertainty that comes from watching people sit on the fence and vacillate. Tomorrow we will know whether our representatives in Washington have what it takes. Tomorrow, concerning health care reform, the line is supposed to be drawn. Tomorrow we will learn if this is dusk or dawn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 09/09/2009
- bobm0001 I'm a Fan of bobm0001 4 fans permalink

Does Hoyer actually think that dropping the public option will appease the Republicans? This isn't about good government; this is about winning back the House in 2010.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 09/09/2009

First the Republicans got irate telling people they want a public option, and the president wasn't going to have one. Obama came back with, "the public option has always been on the table." Now the Republicans are insisting they want a public option !! I suppose when it passes and has a public options, the Republicans will take credit for it. They are a looney bunch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/09/2009
- SheamusK I'm a Fan of SheamusK 2 fans permalink

The message to all politicians from their constituents should be --.".. vote for healthcare reform, including the public option, or, I am not voting for you in the next election."

REMEMBER IF YOU ARE NOT IN OFFICE YOU CAN'T COLLECT ALL THOSE MONIES FROM THE LOBBYISTS AND SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 09/08/2009
- johngary66 I'm a Fan of johngary66 4 fans permalink

Unfortunately, being in office is only a stepping stone for politicians who are hired by Lobbying firms as soon as they leave office at far more money than they made in office. Also after serving as little as one term they get the health care and pension benefits. Since they are the ones who would have to vote to change the laws that allow this, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Your right though, we should toss them out of office if they don't deliver a strong public option at the least and preferably a single payer system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 09/09/2009
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