Head Count: House Progressives Preparing For Public Option Showdown

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First Posted: 09-11-09 02:08 PM   |   Updated: 09-13-09 03:36 AM

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Next week will be gut-check time for the bloc of progressives standing in opposition to any bill that doesn't include a public health insurance option.

The leadership of the Congressional Progressive Caucus plans a "whip count" for early in the week to gauge the strength of their coalition, caucus members tell the Huffington Post. The whip team will also approach members of the Congressional Black, Hispanic, and Asian Pacific American Caucuses.

Democrats hold 256 seats in Congress and need 218 to pass a bill, meaning 39 progressives, voting together, could tank the legislation, assuming all Republicans vote nay.

The whip count will send a message to the administration, said CPC co-chair Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.): "Don't cut deals with some elements of our party or with some elements of the Republican Party without including the progressives in that discussion," he suggested. "So we're going to count our votes, see how many we have and that's the number we're going to indicate to both the leadership and the administration."

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), a member of CPC leadership, estimates that eighty to 100 members will make the pledge. The progressive caucus met on Thursday, following the president's speech, and members repeated their commitment to seeing the public option included in the bill, said Ellison.

Grijalva guessed the whip count would be lower than Ellison's estimate. "We need firm votes," he said.

A senior administration official said Wednesday that killing the bill for not including a public option would be "tragic." Centrist and conservative Democrats have expressed frustration at the forcefulness of the support for the public option, arguing that it's a distraction from the broader package.

In his address to Congress Wednesday, Obama reiterated that he supports the public option but is not demanding it.

A senior administration official told reporters before the speech that the president "wants to make clear what the place of the public option in this debate is. This is not a national debate about whether we have a public option for the tens of millions who are uninsured. It's about how we bring security and stability to hundreds of millions of Americans."

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The emphasis reflects a political judgment that satisfying those already insured is more important. (Earlier in the day, the briefing was advertised as on-the-record, but just before it began, the ground rules were changed.)

Progressives, however, are trying to force the president in their direction. "I think the people who believe in public option are not going to be moved by the speech or by some representation that something is better than nothing," said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.).

"What I'm experiencing is a stronger commitment to it than I even saw in terms of when I was really working hard on [ending the war in Iraq]. People would say, 'Well, yeah, I'm with you,' but you didn't get the feeling they were really with you and that if they got lobbied by the leadership they would change. I don't get that with this. I get very strong feelings about it."

Waters said that progressive co-chair Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) told her that the whip count would start early next week. Woolsey was traveling home Friday and unavailable.

For Ellison, the debate over the public option is refreshing because it sharpens the ideological distinctions between the parties.

"Whose side are you on? It's actually great. We're peeling this onion back and we're getting down to a fundamental question regarding American economic justice. Because at the end of the day, if we keep on working this thing, they're going to have to admit: 'We just feel that the right to be rich and get richer is more important than the right to eat and have basic health care.' They'll have to say, 'My right to have another house and a boat is more important than your right to have health care.'"

Ellison added that it's a debate he's ready to have.

There's an external effort working in concert with the internal congressional debate. Grijalva said that the CPC is working with outside progressive groups to line up pressure for the public option. "We're doing a lot of whipping, but we're also doing a lot of external base discussions," he said. "That's something my colleagues need to gauge, not only the internal machinations but the external sensibilities of the base, which could quite easily turn against us if they see a pattern of caving in every time."

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America


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Thank god for the CPC. It's about time we have a solid progressive block in congress willing to stand up for what's right. That's what being a progressive is supposed to be about. Fighting for women's suffrage, civil rights, labor unions, etc., even when up against the odds.

NOW we'll see if they can really deliver, because if they dont, the CPC will lose power/credibility as a voting block that does what they say they will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 09/15/2009
- DuPageDem I'm a Fan of DuPageDem 19 fans permalink

'A senior administration official said Wednesday that killing the bill for not including a public option would be "tragic." '

No. Requiring nearly every American to buy crappy for-profit insurance, now that would be tragic. It's not a public 'option' unless people can choose it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 09/14/2009

Totally agree. As Huffpo pointed out, from the words of the ex-Cigna rep, the so called 'bi-partisan bill' is a massive giveaway to insurance companies, basically forces us to buy into their system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 09/15/2009
- Deschris I'm a Fan of Deschris 18 fans permalink

The gang of six and the Senate should not hold the millions of Americans who voted for change and want health care reform with a robust public option hostage.Lo­ok at Sen Susan Collins from Maine on CNN yesterday,she would not even support a trigger just in case the insurance companies refuse to lower costs and change their ways.

Who the heck are these republican senators beholden to "We the people" or "The Greedy Health Insurance Companies"­.If they refuse to compete with a public option President Obama should send a bill to congress nationalizing the insurance industry,invoke single payer and control and regulate all aspects of the industry from premiums to coverage rules.They are calling him socialist and communist already anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 09/14/2009
- LucieLee I'm a Fan of LucieLee 33 fans permalink
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If this happens...­.be prepared for one of those game-ploys that Republicans usually pull. Like if the Progressives vote against a bill that doesn't contain the Public Option, Republicans will vote for the bill just to get a weak bill passed....­..They have done sort of thing before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 09/14/2009
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Ellison is awesome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 09/14/2009
- Jimtoday I'm a Fan of Jimtoday 12 fans permalink
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I don't get the passive by now classic Democratic Professional Wimps R Us approach here! Without the Public Option, once the feds tell the insurance companies that htey cannot deny covverage to the very sickest, and cannot enforce lifetime and yearly caps on benefits, what the hell are they all going to claim they need to do? RAISE PREMIUMS EVEN FASTER!

The "bought and paid for" government we have is about to send America over the cliff for the last time, and the Dems will have to account for their insane refusal to actually lead and stand firm. Very troubling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 09/13/2009
- meko I'm a Fan of meko 48 fans permalink
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Individual mandates with no public option is "health care reform" that is worse than no reform at all. Turning us all into captive consumers who have no other choice but to pay whatever amount insurers want to charge is the worst thing that could happen. But in the name of doing "something, anything" it seems that that that is what Obama is willing to support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 09/13/2009
- waitforme I'm a Fan of waitforme 20 fans permalink

If the caucus caves in now and doesn't stand up for goverment-supported medical care -- hopefully with the legally-mandated abortion rights included because without it it would be sexist, because deletion conflicts with established law, and because poor women who cannot support another child will be left to unsafe abortion practices -- no one will ever be able to believe them again. there will be no reason for a progressive caucus because they will have no power to do anything worth doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 09/13/2009

So true,
We need a long list of all of the Congresspeople who oppose reform that have received money from the drug and insurance industry. The list needs to go on a tv ad , and it needs to list exactly how much each person has received over the past 9 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 09/13/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

No doubt buoyed by the massive numbers that came out to march in DC today for Health Care Reform.

The "Million Man March" minus about million men.

Thanks for sitting on your hands, DC!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 09/13/2009
- Allwx I'm a Fan of Allwx 4 fans permalink
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I think there's a lot of defeatism setting in because of all the unfortunate reporting. That, plus football games.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 09/13/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Some reactions to your post.

(1) I was at the march today in DC - though it took me a while to find it. Originally billed to start at the Lincoln Memorial with a march to the Capitol. No sign of anyone at the Lincoln Memorial. A Park Ranger advised - no permit granted at the Lincoln Memorial.

I got to the Capitol. There were the demonstrators - to free some guy in Ethiopia.

Over across the street and out of sight was the Million Man March for Health Care (Less Approximately One Million) organized at the last minute by another group since the original organizer figured out he'd done what's needed by posting on the Web.

(2) Yes, it's such an imposition on folks to come out for something trivial like Health Care when the Redskins are on the TV. And it would be a real shame to miss E! Or TMZ!

On the other hand the crazies were out in force yesterday.

It's all about priorities.

There is a bright spot from today. All those on the Right who were worried that the Left would stage a revolution and force them into wife swapping and Bible dancing can sleep well tonight. If there's a Leftist putsch to seize control of the national government, it will be scheduled for Washington State and they'll wind up seizing control of Pocatello!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 09/13/2009
- troutbum I'm a Fan of troutbum 6 fans permalink
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I cannot understand why the Dems cannot grasp what is at stake here with the public option. They will lose control of both houses and the WH if a pub option is not included in the bill. It is pretty simple and straight forward. They cannot stay in office without the progressive vote of the public. Am I missing something here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 09/13/2009
- Allwx I'm a Fan of Allwx 4 fans permalink
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I think you've identified the issue for the Democrats. Unfortunately they seem to be folding day by day. There's still a long way to go before a package gets to the President's desk, though. It is way too soon to give up hope. Could be another 3 months. Both houses have to pass bills, and then they have to be reconciled. Personally, I would rather the whole shebang do down to defeat than have them pass some watery thing, and blame the failure on the Repubs and the bluedogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 09/13/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 658 fans permalink
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Stand yer ground ,progressives! The President's description of his idea of a Public option, [available to 5% of folks], is way too weak, and to mandate private coverage is bs! You made a pledge to NOT support a bill w/o a STRONG PO, and you should know that YOUR supporter's are behind you all the way.......­,repubs will not support anything, so now the real power is with progressives. w/o us, this bill is finished. They better be nice from now on, and I think an official apology to SP advocates is in order, for not giving them a seat at the 'table'...­..,

NO STRONG PO= NO BILL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 09/13/2009

Folks, I wonder if the MSM will publicize the march taking place today!!!

Until a health care bill is signed, we need to keep up the pressure!

If not now, when? If not us, who?

Kennedy was one of our greatest champions of health care reform. He carried the torch for a long time...and now it is up to us to continue to carry it!

Our elected officials in Congress receive health care mostly paid for by us tax payers, yet many are trying to make it impossible for us to purchase an affordable plan of our own :

While many of us are struggling to afford medical insurance/medical bills.
While Congress people try to stop healthcare reform.
While Congress people accept large contributions from lobbyists to prevent health care reform.

Please sign these petitions - and by all means, spread the word! Thank you!

http://www.petitiononline.com/PubOp676/petition.html
http://www.democrats.com/honor-ted-kennedy?cid=ZGVtczQ0MTA5OGRlbXM=
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/5649/t/4922/content.jsp?content_KEY=2763&tag=hk1_typ-e1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 09/13/2009
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If there is no public option, the democrats will have failed and healthcare reform will have failed. The ensuing healthcare catastrophe will eliminate resistance against universal health care and it will then pass out of obvious necessity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 09/13/2009

I hate to say it but... Yup. If an imploding healthcare system is what it takes. Give it to them.

They will own it and Dems can run on, "we tried to fix this mess".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 09/13/2009

Which company covers Republican representatives' health insurance,what are the monthly premiums and who pays?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 09/13/2009
- Allwx I'm a Fan of Allwx 4 fans permalink
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They're covered by the same system that is available to other fed gov't employees. The costs vary a bit from agency to agency. There are various plans (ie insurance companies) available in each state. Some states, like mine, only have three available plans, but some states have many plans available. Most likely they have a pick among a dozen or more plans. There would be managed care plans, as well as fee-for-service plans. The agency pays the bulk of the costs, and the member pays the remainder. In my agency, they agency pays about 85% of the cost, and I pay the remainder. It probably is about the same for Congressmen. We are not required to take the insurance, but you can opt in only once per year during an open season, usually in December.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 09/13/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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The simple truth is that without a strong public option, there will be no effective means at cost containment. Consider the "insurance reforms" that will be enacted e.g. removal of pre-existing conditions, rescission, etc. By forcing insurers to cover everyone, even high-risk patients, they will pass the additional costs on to consumers.­..and the government, through subsidies, will have to fork over more and more money to compensate for the increased costs that policyholders will be unable to afford.

Keep a STRONG public option. Without it, Democrats will be criticized for the high costs of reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/13/2009

Bingo, they force crippled reform so they can run on the "mess" the Dems created. I say evil doers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 09/13/2009

What the heck kind of flags do they have on these posts to require approval if you use the words "eevi1 do-er" Get a life HP. It's not like I'm eph-ing swearing. Wonder if this gets through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 09/13/2009
- Allwx I'm a Fan of Allwx 4 fans permalink
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It may be possible to just heavily regulate the insurers. Obama has already mentioned caps on charges, so they might not be able to pass on additional costs. This actually could work in our favor down the road. If it becomes much less profitable for the insurance companies to do this business, then they may start abandoning it. Regulation of the insurance industry could just be the remedy we need, in the absence of a strong PO. I wouldn't expect that industry to just sit around and wait for the hammer to fall on them, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 09/13/2009
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