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France To Use Happiness As Economic Indicator

EMMA VANDORE   09/14/09 01:08 PM ET   AP

France Measuring Happiness

PARIS — French President Nicolas Sarkozy asked world leaders to join a "revolution" in the measurement of economic progress by dropping their obsession with gross domestic product to account for factors such as health-care availability and leisure time.

In a speech on the first anniversary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Sarkozy said the financial crisis has shown the need for a better way of calculating a country's economic health.

His own country, known for its leisurely meals, long vacations and labor protections, could outshine more profit-focused economies if nations act on new recommendations in a report headed by two Nobel economists commissioned 18 months ago.

The report, presented to Sarkozy on Monday, offers a raft of factors that governments should take into account when making policy, such as environmental sustainability. But it doesn't specifically suggest a new statistical index.

Despite the lack of detail Monday, Sarkozy said the French statistics office to change the way it measures progress. But any worldwide shift would require other nations to get on board, and some economists questioned whether rethinking GDP would work.

Sarkozy will nonetheless try to persuade other world leaders to sign up to the proposals at the G-20 summit in Pittsburgh, Henri Guaino, a special advisor to Sarkozy, told The Associated Press.

"A great revolution is waiting for us," Sarkozy said. "For years, people said that finance was a formidable creator of wealth, only to discover one day that it accumulated so many risks that the world almost plunged into chaos."

"The crisis doesn't only make us free to imagine other models, another future, another world. It obliges us to do so," he said.

Their report recommends looking at household income, consumption and wealth rather than national production for a better reflection of material living standards. Non-market activities such as house-cleaning should also be tracked, it says.

More prominence should be given to the distribution of income and wealth, as well as to access to education and health.

Attention should also be given to whether countries are over-consuming their economic wealth and damaging the environment, the report says.

Governments' addiction to inflating the GDP of their economies has endangered the planet by encouraging risky behavior and as overconsumption triggers environmental concerns, Sarkozy said.

U.S. economist Joseph Stiglitz, winner of the 2001 Nobel economics prize and a critic of free-market economists, co-authored the report.

"GDP is an attempt to measure one part of what is going on in our society which is market production. It is what I call GDP fetichism to think success in that part is success for the economy and for society," he said.

Advising Stiglitz was Armatya Sen of India, who won the 1998 Nobel prize for work on developing countries, and helped create the U.N. Human Development Index, a yearly welfare indicator designed to gear international policy decisions to take account of health and living standards.

Stiglitz said France's ranking would rise in comparison to the U.S. because of better access to health care and because it has a lower percentage of people in jail. Active prison business boosts GDP figures but isn't a sign of economic health, he said.

The new system would also credit leisure time – which France has a lot of, he said.

Simon Tilford, chief economist at the Center for European Reform in London, said that while broader measures of well-being already exist, they are hugely subjective and don't help governments make decisions on how to allocate resources.

"There has been growing interest in trying to measure human well-being in other ways" than GDP, he said. But for understanding an economy's prospects, he said, "GDP is still a far superior measure to a type of softer, happiness or well-being index. That's not to say they're not useful, but it's hard to see how they could replace GDP."

In terms of GDP, French growth has lagged behind the U.S. throughout most of the past 30 years, although recent turmoil in financial markets has hit the U.S. economy harder.

France appears to be weathering the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression better than most, recording a small level of growth – 0.3 percent – in the second quarter this year.

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Associated Press writer Rachel Kurowski in Paris contributed to this report.

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10:43 PM on 09/22/2009
GDP is deeply flawed as a measure of prosperity. When I get paid, my employer's outpay for that is added to the GDP. Then I spend some of it on food, and my outpay (the store's inpay) is added (again) to the GDP. Then they pay their suppliers, and again, it's added to the GDP.

If the price of food goes up, and I spend more money for less food, the GDP says that things are better, even if my added spending buys me less than I really need. GDP says I'm more prosperous, even though I'm starving.

All the GDP does, is count how many times bills change hands, the rapidity of money turnover. It has absolutely nothing to say about the quality of life, in either quantity or polarity.

As the quantity of middlemen goes up, money changes hands more times, for each item of commodity, but each middleman earns less in toto. And the prices tend to rise, the more players there are in a market. This is another example of the standard of living falling as the GDP rises.

As the article says, more people in prison means better GDP.

People paying too much for their health care also drives up GDP.
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09:55 AM on 09/21/2009
Finally, a First World leader catching up with the eudaimonic economic revolution.

Say what?

The type of "happiness" that is being talked about in the new economy is formally known as "eudaimonic" happiness, from the Greek, eudaimonia, which does not easily translate into English. Eudaimonia is best understood as human flourishing, collective and individual well-being, and happiness for all. We're not talking about idiot yellow smiley faces, here, but about human thriving.

As new economist David Korten says, The only justification for any economic system is that it serves life.

Our current system that takes the GDP as god, does NOT.
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01:48 AM on 09/16/2009
Why not use a drunk index?

Americans could use an obesity index.

The Japanese could put "Hello Kitty" on their money.

The Brits could organize a bailout of all of the closed Pubs.

We could get together at the melted North Pole and sing "I'd like to buy the world a Coke...".

Happy days are here again.
09:15 PM on 09/15/2009
Happy people are healthy people...
09:15 PM on 09/15/2009
Its like I said, though,

when they measure it they will want to use a BAR GRAPH...

not a linear one.
07:30 PM on 09/15/2009
The US can't have such a system, the rich in the US don't see any value in a happy people...until the people come for them with machetes and dinner forks
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joebaggadonuts
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04:41 PM on 09/15/2009
You can only improve what you can measure. If the only measure of success is a growing GDP, woe becomes us.
04:37 PM on 09/15/2009
Money can't buy happiness but it can buy you fake laugh lessons.
03:18 PM on 09/15/2009
Why is it so hard to find good, progressive leadership in America?

good articles for a slow news day: http://www.iamned.com

American needs help.
11:20 AM on 09/15/2009
I always thought a good indicator would be to look at whether a couple of working parents both with minimum wage jobs can afford to raise children, house, clothe and feed them, provide medical care, live in a safe neighborhood with a decent school. In 2004 when I left France this was still possible.
Housing was smaller, not everyone owns a car, but kids were well taken care of in schools, afterschool programs (rates are on sliding scales) and of course health care was a national, single payer plan. I was a single mom with three kids making roughly double minimum wage and I was able to get by. I had little financial security but I was able to provide medical care, dental care and even braces thanks to the national program. We even managed to save up for vacations every year since the rail passes had special discounts for families with three or more children. In many ways, less is more in France. The 5 weeks of annual leave was very helpful for spending time with your kids.
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07:20 PM on 09/15/2009
viva la France!
09:35 AM on 09/15/2009
this seems like a great idea and a more realistic indication of what is really going on in people's lives . . .
12:05 AM on 09/15/2009
I think it;s a great idea, happy people are usually stable emotionally, amd that is not measured solely by income. Many people have values that are not attached to material possessions, happiness matters.
10:04 PM on 09/14/2009
Why do French politicians & bureaucrats look so dippy?
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10:00 PM on 09/14/2009
Huh? Is Sarkozy a happiness consultant? Do they get HBO in Frahnze? With a face like that, to win Carla, he'd have to be the title of that new show. ;)
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04:56 PM on 09/14/2009
What about happiness caused by creating po.nzi schemes, health insurance ri.poffs, expl.oiting workers, invading sovereign nations, etc.? Sarkozy is underestimating how happy some people in America are.