Baucus And Conrad's Miserable Health Care Reform Day [UPDATE]

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First Posted: 09-16-09 04:38 PM   |   Updated: 09-16-09 09:17 PM

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So, for weeks and weeks, Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus has held the health care reform debate hostage as he hemmed and hawed and deliberated with his Gang of Six and -- most importantly -- accrued a sizable campaign war chest full of money from health care lobbyists, all for the promise of a health care reform bill that would earn a dollop of "bipartisanship." Well, he's brought his Hamlet act to a close today, and released his grand plan, so, how did he do, earning that critical bipartisanship, which hopefully doctors can literally prescribe for our cancers?

Senate Republican sources close to Grassley and Enzi -- and in the case of Olympia Snowe, the senator herself -- tell CNN they still have concerns that have not been addressed that range from taxpayer funding of abortion, to illegal immigration, to affordability of the health coverage this new law would require.

High-fives all around then! And, as Ryan Grim reported today, plenty of Democrats -- that's the political party of which Baucus is a member, if you recall -- are similarly sour on the Baucus plan. If everyone hates it, does it count as "bipartisanship?" Please say that this counts!

Over at 1115.com, Sarabeth captures the key detail that truly should mark Baucus as an incompetent:

The part that Max "Cock-up" Baucus might have the most trouble living down is the fact that Olympia Snowe -- who has for weeks now been the only Republican senator with any realistic hope of supporting a healthcare reform bill -- rejects the bill for being too weak and watery:
But let's not lose sight of why Snowe balked at the Baucus framework. For one thing, she's concerned about the financing mechanism, which she believes would hit Maine hard. But just as importantly, Snowe also believes (as I do) that Baucus' plan offers weak and inadequate subsidies. "The affordability question is crucial," Snowe said. "It's a central component, because at the end of the day people have high expectations they will have access to affordable health insurance."


In other words, one of the leading Republican negotiators on health care reform believes Baucus' plan is too conservative.

Just picture the negotiation process, if you will. Grassley and Enzi have already made it abundantly clear they will not support what Baucus produces, literally no matter what it looks like. Baucus is effectively negotiating only with Snowe. He takes the bill and starts adding water, telling Snowe: "Just say when!" And when he comes to the point where Snowe is on her feet and going "Just right! Just right!", he flashes her an evil grin, and strokes his handlebar mustache, and just keeps adding water, till she's groaning and holding her head in her hands. And that's Max Baucus for you, negotiator extraordinaire.

Oh, but there are other Senators who are just masters of the art of health care reform hard at work, compounding Max Baucus' cock up. Take North Dakota Democrat Kent Conrad. As Ryan Grim reported yesterday, Conrad's decided that he wants the CBO to score health care reform in a twenty year window instead of the typical ten. Will this render an accurate measure of budget cost? No! As Matt Yglesias points out:

This will tend to make the score less accurate, since projections get more and more uncertain the further you go out. It will also make it harder to pass a health care bill. But it will disadvantage the more-liberal House bill more than it disadvantages the Senate bill. And I think it's usually best to assume that members engage in these kind of procedural moves because they understand their impact--Conrad is trying to kneecap the liberal version of health reform, and considers making it harder to pass any kind of health reform an acceptable price to pay to meet that goal.

But what are you going to do? Kent Conrad is probably one of those legislators who have studiously guarded against unnecessary budget deficits, I'm sure. Oh! Wait! I'm sorry! What were you saying, Ezra Klein?

Conrad's record in the Senate...would lead you to believe a couple of things. For one, he distrusts long-range projections. Even 10 years is too uncertain. He also believes some priorities overwhelm deficit concerns, health-care coverage being one of them. But when faced with a health-care reform that will be deficit neutral within the 10-year time frame, he is demanding that it instead be measured against an even more uncertain 20-year time frame, and by an agency that he claims underestimates savings. The CBO's scores are terrible, in other words, and come in such small portions!
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So there you have it. While it may, even today, feel voguish to criticize the GOP for all they've done to sidetrack and defeat health care reform, remember, they don't have the votes. But Max Baucus and Kent Conrad have votes that do matter, and these are the idiot games they are playing with your hopes at health care reform. They've rogered this debate, BUT GOOD, and they've each been personally enriched for their efforts by the health care industry. Gaze upon their works, and despair if the Senate Democrats don't possess the good sense to move this matter into budget reconciliation.

UPDATE: Wow. I didn't even include the worst part! Via Ezra Klein, this is the worst part:

Baucus's bill retains the noxious "free rider" provision on employers. Rather than a simple employer mandate that forces every employer over a certain size to provide health-care insurance or pay a small fee, the free rider approach penalizes employers for hiring low-income workers who are eligible for subsidies. That will create an incentive to do one of two things: Don't hire low-income workers (hire a teenager looking for a job rather than a single mother, or hire a housewife looking for a second job rather than an unemployed breadwinner), or hire illegal immigrants.


And it actually gets worse. The employer pays more if the low-income worker needs subsidies for his family as opposed to just himself. So it not only discriminates against low-income workers, but it particularly discriminates against low-income parents. Single mothers will get the worst deal, as they have lower incomes, and as you might expect, children who need health care.

Read more, here. And, wow. Thanks a lot, Senator Baucus. Hope you were paid handsomely.

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[Updated, below] So, for weeks and weeks, Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus has held the health care reform debate hostage as he hemmed and hawed and deliberated with his Gang of Six and -- m...
[Updated, below] So, for weeks and weeks, Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus has held the health care reform debate hostage as he hemmed and hawed and deliberated with his Gang of Six and -- m...
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I hope there are progressive Democrats in Montana and North Dakota reading this article. Conrad is up for re-election in North Dakota in 2012; Baucus in Montana in 2014. We must never forget the level of betrayal to the middle and working classes committed by these Blue Dogs. Aren't dogs supposed to be loyal? Yes, these two are loyal -- to their blue-chip masters.

According to Wiki, "the AFL-CIO announced they will fund a primary challenge against Conrad in 2012 if he continues to oppose a "public option." It's time they and others start turning up the heat against Baucus. Baucus voted for the Bush tax cuts in 2001. In keeping with Repug hypocrites, he didn't worry then that these tax cuts would explode the deficit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 09/17/2009
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Montana is slowly turning blue re: governor, both senators, split state legislators in the last elections. Montanans have been hurt so badly by the GOPers that ran the state since raygun's admin. The GOP deregulated energy so that is now triple what it was (went from lowest in region to highest and bankrupted a blue chip company, any excess money given to corporations as tax cuts, raising property taxes which has quadrupled in the past 30+ years while Montana retains the rating of 48 out of 50 states for average median pay, and on and on and on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 10/11/2009
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"In other words, one of the leading Republican negotiators on health care reform believes Baucus' plan is too conservati­ve."

Could anything else be more indicative of Baucus' duplicity in formulating a bill for his corporate sponsors? When the Republican you're trying to win over says the bill is "TOO CONSERVATIVE" and you don't modify it, you are criminally in the tank for someone.

We don't allow judges to sit on cases against those who have contributed to them or that they have a relationship with. Why do we allow it for our politicians? If a politician had to recuse himself because of campaign money the corporate money pipeline would dry up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 09/17/2009
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Sounds like a new procedure rule in the Senate is called for to do just as you suggest. Max also has his eye on the climate bill after he screws us with his HC bill written for him by the HC industry lobbyist cum staffer. Max's next campaign slogan (if he is honest) should be "Corporate Profits Before Citizens".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 10/11/2009
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How on Earth did Baucus convince himself this was a bill that anyone could support, let alone both parties?!

Astounding the willful ignorance of some of our political representatives!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 09/17/2009
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tunnel vision?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 10/11/2009

Is Bacaus's health insurance provider a matter of public record? May we ask him please?
What does he pay?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 09/17/2009

Sorry, Baucus's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 09/17/2009
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I'd like to know that, too! WOuld also like to know exactly what it costs him. He looks old enough to be on Medicare, as well - that evil government plan that no one wants to give up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 09/17/2009
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Senators don't use Medicare because they can enroll in the premier plan offered just before retiring and we foot the bill for them from there out. Medicare would be a step down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 09/17/2009
- JeffE I'm a Fan of JeffE 8 fans permalink

How in God's name did Baucus end up chairing this committee? He clearly hasn't the skill nor the inclination to produce a health care bill that actually helps people. His only concern appears to be appeasing the insurance giants who fill his campaign coffers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 09/17/2009
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Why would he be given the responsibility to produce a Bill to cover health care for millions of Americans. He lives in a State that has a population of what - 3 people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 09/17/2009
- Genep34 I'm a Fan of Genep34 51 fans permalink

Harry Reid could have changed it - but he didn't - he needs to go. And better yet how did 6 senators that represent less than 2% of the population get to write a health care bill for the remaining 98%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 09/17/2009
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EXACTLY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 10/11/2009
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There are several who had bad days yesterday.

And they all should have had a bad day after scr@wing us over AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 09/17/2009
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I'll still never understand why the business community is so resistant to the idea of being unburdened of their healthcare costs by having their employees covered by a national system paid for by their own tax dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 09/17/2009
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And the insurance industry will have access to more than 45 million potential new policyholders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 09/17/2009
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Actually, most businesses are in favor of universal coverage. It is the insurance industry and their political lapdogs, like Baucus and Conrad, who resist this change because they will no longer be able to line their pockets at the expense of this nation's health.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 09/17/2009
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as a small business owner, I can tell you most of us don't like mandates of any kind.

But we also get used to them and figure out how to work with them and still make money (or we won't be in business long).

I am all for Medicare for all (americare if you like) payed for by replacing the current medicare tax (1.45% employee, 1.45% employer) with a new Amerciare tax of 13% (4.5% employee, 8.5% employer).

this will cost most business owners who provide Health insurance about the same as they pay now. But it KEEPS employers in the mix for paying for health payments.

Employers who don't pay anything for health benefits will pay something for once.

Employees will know how much of their pay will go to health insurance each year, no longer being forced to worry about what the company decides to do/change.

yes, it would ahve been another mandate..b­ut we would ahve survived and added it to the lsit of other mandates like Social security, un-employment, Workmens compensation, etc.

somehow each mandate thats added , we still find ways to survive and in many cases thrive.

too bad the dems don't have the balls to do whats best to the working/middle class in healthcare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 09/17/2009
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I agree. Medicare for all! Anthony Weiner (sp?) is my new hero. Would that he could write the bill by himself and have the other Democrats vote for it....*sig­h*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 09/17/2009
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Americare! I love it!

That's because I'm and AmeriCAN, not an AmeriCAN'T.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 09/17/2009
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corrected:

the only way any bill of value will pass is if they do line item by line item on the things most can agree on.

address the following one by one

Insurance companies may not use preexisting conditions when pricing

Insurance companies may not drop you if you get sick as long as the premium is paid

No insurance caps

A company or individual may purchase from any insurance company in any state from any state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 09/17/2009
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the only way any bill of value will pass is if they do line item by line item on the thing most can agree on.

address the following one by one

Insurance companies may not use preexisting conditions when pricing

Insurance companies may not drop you if you get sick as long as the premium is paid

No insurance caps

A company or individual may purchase from any insurance company in any state from any state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/17/2009
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What about the other scams insurance companies use to opt out from paying?

Like the technique or the drug is experimental -- their discretion.

I think there are others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 09/17/2009
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first address the things most can agree on in bite size bills one major thing at a time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 09/17/2009

I wonder how it must feel to be from Montanna today? You are now representative of the disaster YOUR Max Baucus , THE MAX TAX, had delivered smiling all the way over to K street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 09/17/2009
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Dump Baucus and Conrad. It is times for the dems who care about America to go with budget reconciliation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 09/17/2009
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I heartily agree!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/17/2009
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One only has to look at those two to figure out they both belong in the Repugnut class. They both have to concentrate to smile and very few pics I have seen would make me believe they weren't suc king lemons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 09/17/2009
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If everyone hates it, does it count as "bipartisanship?"

Sadly, I think it's as close to "bipartisanship" as this Congress is going to get. At least most can agree that this bill is garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 09/17/2009
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true ......so toss it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 09/17/2009
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Listening to the callers on this am's washington journal...­.Americans­, dem, rep, and indie, are united in their disgust.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 09/17/2009
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It is very difficult to understand how and why Democrats give control of a bill for health care reform to 3 Republicans and 3 democrats, when they do not represent the majority consensus in any way. All 6 of them are either Republicans or Right wing reactionary politicians. To say that the bill's outcome was rigged is an understandment of the rip off of the rights of the majority of Americans. Baucus and Conrad are both unethical pawns of industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 09/17/2009
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"Democrats" didn't give control of a bill for health reform to 3 Republicans and 3 Democrats, President Obama did. Didn't you hear Speaker Pelosi mocking the Senate and challenging them to put their bill out before August recess? Obama told them all to cool it and use "bipartisanship" under the leadership of Max Baucus. He continued to say nice things about Senator Grassley while the Senator referred to "Obamacare" and "death panels." No, this is the President's fine mess and only President Obama can fix it with CLEAR LEADERSHIP and a rejection of the Baucus bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 09/17/2009
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But it has advantages. It may take longer, but it lets the Republicans marginalize themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 09/17/2009
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Who's to blame for this social and moral injustice?

Every American..

Why? Because they have been too preoccupied and lazy to stand up to the willfully ignorant and the greed.

Why? Because they've been misled into thinking that one day they too can be as lazy as the rich if they just "work hard".

What did we get out of the whole thing.

What we deserved. SIngle payer is the only solution and all the "progressive" Dems (forget the thugs, they're useless) said they we're fine with public option. Groups as big as MoveOn which took your money (not mine) who pushed for the public option. They stole your money just like the Congress is doing now.

You folks will get everything you deserve. You simply do not know how to play the lobbyists game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 09/17/2009
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what social and moral injustices?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/17/2009
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It couldn't possibly be because the majority of Americans don't have the time or energy because they are working 12-18 hours per day 6 days per week (2-3 jobs at starvation wages that W thought was so admirable) to just cover the house payment, heating bill, health insurance and putting food on the table, could it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 10/11/2009
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Max Baucus = failure
Kent Conrad = failure
Harry Reid = failure

It's long past time for Senate Democrats to shake up the status quo, remove these dowagers from their positions of power, and invest control in people WHO CAN GET THINGS DONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/17/2009
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YOU have all the control you need.

You have a powerful tool called the internet.

And yet you use it to plead with Congress to do things FOR you.

When will you learn?

It's time to fight fire with fire.

Focus on how you can use your MONEY against them.

Take it away.

Pull your money out of the big banks.

Today. Tell your bank manager they lose because the LOBBYISTS are using their money to break our backs.

Start to talk their language.

Register as an Independent. Take away their POWER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 09/17/2009
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