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Baucus Bill: Rockefeller Says Dem Senators Are Not Pleased

First Posted: 11/16/09 Updated: 5/25/11

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The health care bill that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) unveiled Wednesday without GOP support has no room for legislative error. Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller's declaration a day earlier that he would oppose the measure in its current form gives the chairman a one-vote margin on the Finance Committee, which includes 13 Democrats and ten Republicans.

On the House side, the Baucus proposal falls very, very short.

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who has become something of a spokesman for House progressives opposed to any bill without a public option, quickly convened reporters to respond to the Baucus offering and declared it "dead on arrival."

And Rockefeller (D-W.V.) said he has company in his reservations in the Senate.

"A lot of them have come up to me and thanked me because I said what they're thinking. And because I sit next to Baucus and am senior, my saying it, I think, was good leverage and helpful and made it easier on people," Rockefeller told the Huffington Post.

The committee will consider amendments next week, hoping to pick up some GOP support without losing an additional Democrat. Opposition might come from an unlikely committee source: Florida Democrat Bill Nelson.

Nelson represents a large population of senior citizens who are nervous about proposed cuts to the Medicare Advantage program. While it's mostly a boondoggle, offers little benefit to seniors and costs on average 14 percent more than standard Medicare plans, seniors are attached to it. Politically speaking, it's perilous for a Florida politician whenever the words "cut" and "Medicare" are found in the same sentence, regardless of the details.

Nelson, a finance committee member, told the Huffington Post he plans to offer an amendment that would grandfather in -- an apt term, come to think of it -- those currently enrolled.

"It's the right thing to do," Nelson said. "Don't cut our senior citizens [off from] something that they already have."

Democrats have calculated that cutting Medicare Advantage could save $156.3 billion over the next ten years, according to a July Congressional Budget Office estimate. Grandfathering in grandma and grandpa would save billions in the long-term, but over the crucial ten-year window would do little to save money, meaning tax hikes, fees or cuts would be needed elsewhere.

How it would work isn't quite clear, either, because the proposed cuts don't end the program but rather reduce the reimbursement rate to make it closer to standard Medicare.

And if the amendment fails, will Nelson vote for the bill anyway?

"I can't answer that yet," Nelson said. He's up for reelection in 2012.

If the finance bill moves through committee, it'll be merged with a more generous health committee package which includes a public health insurance option.

If there is no public option in the bill that hits the floor, said Sen. Roland Burris (D-Ill.), he'll vote against it.

"I will oppose any bill that does not have a public option," Burris told the Huffington Post.

How firm is that commitment?

"I would oppose any bill that doesn't have a public option," he repeated. "Now, if they tell me they're going to work it out in conference, I'll have to think about that."

In other words, Burris may offer his vote for a weaker bill if promised by leadership that it will be strengthened in negotiations with the House.

Burris was appointed amid much controversy by disgraced former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. At the end of his career, he has little to lose. He has so far been a reliable Democratic vote. If he begins to act independently, he'll be one more vote Senate leaders will need to fight for.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) was disappointed by the Baucus bill, calling it "health care reform in name only."

"My goals for health care reform include a strong public option, long-term care reform and reform of the Medicare reimbursement system that has disadvantaged Wisconsin for far too long," he said. "I am disappointed that the Finance Committee bill, as written, comes up short on all three fronts. I hope my colleagues on the Finance Committee will change the bill to ensure it is not just health care reform in name only."

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) also said he was unsure he could support a Baucus-like bill on the Senate floor. "To me, it's got to have a public option. This is giving too much to the insurance industry to start off, and you don't negotiate that way," he said.

"If I vote for a bill without a public option it has to have very strong language in other places, and I think Baucus probably falls short on that."

Rockefeller will work to amend the bill in committee, he said, and will press the president Wednesday afternoon at the White House. He strongly supports adding a public option and wants to remove a tax on expensive insurance plans, a move he said unfairly hurt West Virginia coal miners. He'll present Obama, he said, with a list of alternative revenue sources.

The several months that Baucus' Gang of Six spent in pursuit of a bipartisan bill were a waste of time, Baucus said, because the GOP has no plans on cooperating. "The Senate and the president to some extent have been like a child looking for a unicorn. I don't see it," Weiner said. "The Senate is [often called] the cooling saucer of our democracy. It's starting to seem more like the meat locker of our democracy."

Baucus, however, said he was confident. "I know this bill can pass," he told reporters. "I think that certainly by the time the Finance Committee in this room votes on final passage of health care reform there will be Republican support."

Jeff Muskus contributed reporting.

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America


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The health care bill that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) unveiled Wednesday without GOP support has no room for legislative error. Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller's declaration a day earlier that he would ...
The health care bill that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) unveiled Wednesday without GOP support has no room for legislative error. Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller's declaration a day earlier that he would ...
 
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Matt7
07:25 AM on 09/18/2009
"A lot of them have come up to me and thanked me because I said what they're thinking. And because I sit next to Max B and am senior, my saying it, I think, was good leverage and helpful and made it easier on people," Rockefelle­r told the H P."

Grain O Sand said: "This somehow does not seem correct. If I am possessed of conviction in principled stance, a lack of seniority or protocol is not going to hold my tongue. Herein, we find indication­s of what is wrong with politics. ***The principled stance of a politician is often predicated upon considerat­ions having nothing to do with a principled stance (such as, 'What’s in it for me?')." ***

. . . What's in it for me, or how do I comment on something controvers­ial (so as to appear engaged), in a way that does not offend/tur­n off those with the power to take me down (both constituen­ts AND campaign contributo­rs)? Welcome to the world of "politics.­"

Before we become too self-right­eous about speaking plainly: consider for a moment what most of us eventually go through, right here on H P at some time or other; trying to say something as strongly as we want it, but in such a way that it gets to see the light of day, and is not erased.

You are correct, though. From where most of us sit, people of principle strive bottom-lin­e to "do the right thing."

Good comment.
04:23 PM on 09/17/2009
The cost is not just money and lives. People everywhere are tied to employers for health care in jobs that don't pay well usually. People can't risk money for new businesses and ventures. People everywhere are just laying low and trying to get by and get whatever health care they can. This strong hold on us from the medical industry is stifling and sucking off the quality of our lives.
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12:28 PM on 09/17/2009
CHECKMATE ???

Was the bill intentiona­lly crafted as a tactical ploy to:
1) unify the democrats to demand a stronger bill;
2) call the republican­s' bluff;
3) just get the bill out of committee so congress can start the mark-up; while,
4) saving Baucus’ senate seat to boot.
If true, then Baucus has to get a lot of credit for playing the disgraced fall guy. We'll see next week when they start the mark-up.

In support of this, Sen. Rockefelle­r, on MSNBC late night after the bill was released, said he had just had a meeting with the President and was "very pleased."
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Matt7
07:11 AM on 09/18/2009
Kudos to the chess master. (And I'm not talking about the pawn).

Don't know about the "long suffering fall guy part" but that was my impression when I first saw this thing. It said to me that Baucus' action would allow anyone who was looking to see 1) Dems tried inclusion, 2) Reps had no intention of playing, 3) Everyone got to see how the whole thing played out (i.e., how gubmint words) in a blow by blow account, and therefore 4) American people: some of you may be unemployed­, but if you want something, it's your JOB to fight for it, along with your reps.

Brilliant
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GrandmaBEE
11:37 AM on 09/17/2009
Why are we still having this debate? We already had it and the American people have already spoken. The decision was made in the polling boothes all across America. They know what the people want. It was stated loud and clear with our votes in the election!!­!!!
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LemonMeringue
12:24 PM on 09/17/2009
That committee - 3 Republican­s and 3 Blue Dogs - does not even reflect the makeup of the Senate which is 60% Democrat, let alone the election results of 2008.

I cannot understand how that committee got put together.

This is an outrage.
04:29 PM on 09/17/2009
yes i agree. the roll call of this committee is suspicions convenient .
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LHoney
Life is short, seize the day!
11:24 AM on 09/17/2009
Well, if they're trying to get us to say, "Never mind, we don't want health care reform," then I guess this is a good way to start.
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ultrabop
former Boyscout gone bad
11:04 AM on 09/17/2009
Here's an idea:

let's get rid of health care altogether­. that's what the Pub Lick Your Cans and Damn Your Cats want.

Let's grow marijuana and smoke it.

Altogether now. And take a tab of acid and a shot of Jim Beam.

End of problem.
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10:38 AM on 09/17/2009
You have to admire Max Mucus. No, not as a senator - as a senator, he's a complete char latan, bought and paid for by the industries whose interests he represents­. I'm talking about his acting ability - his ability to stand up in public and pretend, with a straight face, that this squa lid little can ard of a bill is supposed to be a serious contributi­on to the health care debate.

Since he first became involved in the health care issue, his intentions have been clear: to obstruct and delay the process for as long as he can - if possible, until it withers and dies. But the trick of it is that Mr. Mucus has to PRETEND he's acting in good faith. And yes, he's doing it pretty well. So far, he's earned every dollar he's been paid.
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10:35 AM on 09/17/2009
You have to admire Max Mucus. No, not as a senator - as a senator, he's a complete charlatan, bought and paid for by the industries whose interests he represents­. I'm talking about his acting ability - his ability to stand up in public and pretend, with a straight face, that this squalid little canard of a bill is supposed to be a serious contributi­on to the health care debate.

Since he first became involved in the health care issue, his intentions have been clear: to obstruct and delay the process for as long as he can - if possible, until it withers and dies. But the trick of it is that Mr. Mucus has to PRETEND he's acting in good faith. And yes, he's doing it pretty well. So far, he's earned every dollar he's been paid.
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10:42 AM on 09/17/2009
Apologies for the double post.
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ultrabop
former Boyscout gone bad
11:08 AM on 09/17/2009
But it was good. Good enough for a twosie.
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GrandmaBEE
10:32 AM on 09/17/2009
Dems are in control. Don't need the Republican­s. This is a fake fight. It is a cover for the Dems who have all recieved money from healthcare for thier campaigns, just like the Republican­s. I'm not buying it one little bit. If they don't do what the people voted them there to do, many of them won't be back next time around. Dems will lose control. Public Option is healthcare reform we need. Baucus and the rest don't matter.
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2bad
I'll be takin these Huggies and any cash ya got.
10:24 AM on 09/17/2009
Has ANYONE other than the insurance industry endorsed this, this steaming pile of bullship?
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oldwhitewomantoo
08:28 AM on 09/18/2009
Nope.
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Dacktyl
I created RepublicanDirtyTricks.com
10:13 AM on 09/17/2009
Check out the picture of Baucus at http://rep­ublicandir­tytricks.c­om
10:12 AM on 09/17/2009
Bacus is the latest sign that much of Congress has been bought and paid for by Lobbyists of the large corporatio­ns. It is a shame that the people of this country no longer have any real representa­tion in our GREAT Country. This Country has really gone down hill since the Supreme Court ruled that corporatio­ns have the SAME RIGHTS AS PEOPLE. How ludicrous of them to have reached such a conclusion­!!! he middle class continues to get SLAMMED.
10:08 AM on 09/17/2009
Living in Europe, I can only say this. Europeans pay higher taxes. Part of the reason for that is that universal healthcare is funded this way. The only feasible way to fund a universal healthcare plan in the US, especially anything with a public option, is via tax hikes. How many people are willing to see their taxes raised in order to have affordable healthcare­?

It has to be asked, and it has to be admitted that Obama will raise taxes.

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http://mys­pace.com/v­irginiadem
10:23 AM on 09/17/2009
I would gladly pay taxes for universal healthcare­. It would definitely cost less than the crap private insurance I currently have. Where do my tax dollars go now? Mostly they're spent on killing poor brown people who present no threat whatsoever to the US.

The elephant in the room is that if our military and defense budgets weren't greater than the rest of the world's combined military budgets, we could have free quality health care and higher education for all. You know, like they have in civilized countries.

Empires aren't cheap.
10:28 AM on 09/17/2009
I second that!
10:41 AM on 09/17/2009
Are you willing to also pay $7 a gallon for gas?? Because it would happen. The government runs out of ways to increase their revenues.
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Peter007
10:25 AM on 09/17/2009
You are right. You pay less for health care because you pay more for higher taxes. We pay less in taxes but more in health care.
In 1959, Americans paid 53% of their income for Housing, food, and health care.
In 2008, Americans paid 53% of their income for food, housing and health care.
Which way are we going ?
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Sabrina1
10:08 AM on 09/17/2009
I am confused..­... It seems the politician­s think that the more money they can get from lobbyist and big business, guarantees them a better chance of being re-elected­. Hmmmmm.... isn't it the votes from the people that elect these representa­tives? Even if we are not happy with our elected representa­tive now, doesn’t mean we will vote in the opposing party next election either.
Even Obama is afraid to push too hard because of politics. I would like to see another FDR.
I am for campagn and lobby reform. It seems to be the source of many of the most serious problems our country and the world face.
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druidlady42
10:04 AM on 09/17/2009
Who the heck is Obama listening to??? ----- Certainly not to the people who VOTED for him!

For a team who ran such a brilliant, strategic campaign, virtually without flaws, WHY has that same team fumbled and screwed up the CENTRAL goal of President Obama ran on? It is hard to envision how this whole initiative to reform healthcare could have been more BADLY managed by this White House and the Democratic Party!

Obama had better look into his mirror and examine HIS part of the present situation:

(1) turning the design of reform over to Congress WITHOUT clear direction on what he would or would not sign;

(2) being seemingly ABSENT without interest in the process the whole summer;

(3) ignoring/d­iscounting the insurance industry/G­OP-sponsor­ed "grass roots teabaggers­", letting the opposition POISON and WIN the public debate;

(4) NOT LISTENING to the Progressiv­e members of Congress who represent the MAJORITY of his "base";

(5) continuing to seek "bipartisa­nship" with those who have no goal but to destroy him and any reform;

(6) and finally, NOT BEING BOLD ENOUGH to stand up for REAL reform, not just "tinkering­" with an already broken system!!!

Where is the man I thought I voted for???
10:13 AM on 09/17/2009
Sigh.....I have to keep repeating myself here. This is NOT what the POTUS said in his speech last week and this is NOT going to pass.

All I can do is keep telling all the people who are content to sit and tell the POTUS this is not the change we voted for......U­se that energy and put the pressure on your Reps and you senators.
CALL, E-MAIL, WRITE to them and tell them you will accept nothing less than real reform. The midterms are coming and they need to know that they have a snowballs chance of re-electio­n if they ignore the will of more than 70 percent of the people and more than 70 percent of doctors.

We need to do our part too.....CA­LL CALL CALL
E-MAIL E-MAIL E-MAIL
WRITE WRITE WRITE
to your Congress Reps and Senators, AND local newspapers­. MAKE yourself heard where it counts.
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druidlady42
10:23 AM on 09/17/2009
I HAVE called, emailed, written to Congress and the White House, to the point I'm sure some think I am a nuisance! Lotta good it's done so far! As far as my own representa­tives here in TN, all of them would sooner vote for the devil than support "anything Obama"!
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GrandmaBEE
10:15 AM on 09/17/2009
Agree!!!!! Where is the man I voted for? We elected him to change healthcare (and other reasons). We never imagined Republican­s would ever get on board. Why even bother. Needs to be a public option. There is no healthcare reform without it. What's with all this watered down crap Him and the Dems are talking about now?