Baucus Bill: Rockefeller Says Dem Senators Are Not Pleased

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First Posted: 09-16-09 03:15 PM   |   Updated: 09-16-09 04:58 PM

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The health care bill that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) unveiled Wednesday without GOP support has no room for legislative error. Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller's declaration a day earlier that he would oppose the measure in its current form gives the chairman a one-vote margin on the Finance Committee, which includes 13 Democrats and ten Republicans.

On the House side, the Baucus proposal falls very, very short.

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who has become something of a spokesman for House progressives opposed to any bill without a public option, quickly convened reporters to respond to the Baucus offering and declared it "dead on arrival."

And Rockefeller (D-W.V.) said he has company in his reservations in the Senate.

"A lot of them have come up to me and thanked me because I said what they're thinking. And because I sit next to Baucus and am senior, my saying it, I think, was good leverage and helpful and made it easier on people," Rockefeller told the Huffington Post.

The committee will consider amendments next week, hoping to pick up some GOP support without losing an additional Democrat. Opposition might come from an unlikely committee source: Florida Democrat Bill Nelson.

Nelson represents a large population of senior citizens who are nervous about proposed cuts to the Medicare Advantage program. While it's mostly a boondoggle, offers little benefit to seniors and costs on average 14 percent more than standard Medicare plans, seniors are attached to it. Politically speaking, it's perilous for a Florida politician whenever the words "cut" and "Medicare" are found in the same sentence, regardless of the details.

Nelson, a finance committee member, told the Huffington Post he plans to offer an amendment that would grandfather in -- an apt term, come to think of it -- those currently enrolled.

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"It's the right thing to do," Nelson said. "Don't cut our senior citizens [off from] something that they already have."

Democrats have calculated that cutting Medicare Advantage could save $156.3 billion over the next ten years, according to a July Congressional Budget Office estimate. Grandfathering in grandma and grandpa would save billions in the long-term, but over the crucial ten-year window would do little to save money, meaning tax hikes, fees or cuts would be needed elsewhere.

How it would work isn't quite clear, either, because the proposed cuts don't end the program but rather reduce the reimbursement rate to make it closer to standard Medicare.

And if the amendment fails, will Nelson vote for the bill anyway?

"I can't answer that yet," Nelson said. He's up for reelection in 2012.

If the finance bill moves through committee, it'll be merged with a more generous health committee package which includes a public health insurance option.

If there is no public option in the bill that hits the floor, said Sen. Roland Burris (D-Ill.), he'll vote against it.

"I will oppose any bill that does not have a public option," Burris told the Huffington Post.

How firm is that commitment?

"I would oppose any bill that doesn't have a public option," he repeated. "Now, if they tell me they're going to work it out in conference, I'll have to think about that."

In other words, Burris may offer his vote for a weaker bill if promised by leadership that it will be strengthened in negotiations with the House.

Burris was appointed amid much controversy by disgraced former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. At the end of his career, he has little to lose. He has so far been a reliable Democratic vote. If he begins to act independently, he'll be one more vote Senate leaders will need to fight for.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) was disappointed by the Baucus bill, calling it "health care reform in name only."

"My goals for health care reform include a strong public option, long-term care reform and reform of the Medicare reimbursement system that has disadvantaged Wisconsin for far too long," he said. "I am disappointed that the Finance Committee bill, as written, comes up short on all three fronts. I hope my colleagues on the Finance Committee will change the bill to ensure it is not just health care reform in name only."

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) also said he was unsure he could support a Baucus-like bill on the Senate floor. "To me, it's got to have a public option. This is giving too much to the insurance industry to start off, and you don't negotiate that way," he said.

"If I vote for a bill without a public option it has to have very strong language in other places, and I think Baucus probably falls short on that."

Rockefeller will work to amend the bill in committee, he said, and will press the president Wednesday afternoon at the White House. He strongly supports adding a public option and wants to remove a tax on expensive insurance plans, a move he said unfairly hurt West Virginia coal miners. He'll present Obama, he said, with a list of alternative revenue sources.

The several months that Baucus' Gang of Six spent in pursuit of a bipartisan bill were a waste of time, Baucus said, because the GOP has no plans on cooperating. "The Senate and the president to some extent have been like a child looking for a unicorn. I don't see it," Weiner said. "The Senate is [often called] the cooling saucer of our democracy. It's starting to seem more like the meat locker of our democracy."

Baucus, however, said he was confident. "I know this bill can pass," he told reporters. "I think that certainly by the time the Finance Committee in this room votes on final passage of health care reform there will be Republican support."

Jeff Muskus contributed reporting.

Ryan Grim is the author of This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America


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The health care bill that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) unveiled Wednesday without GOP support has no room for legislative error. Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller's declaration a day earlier that he would ...
The health care bill that Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) unveiled Wednesday without GOP support has no room for legislative error. Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller's declaration a day earlier that he would ...
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- Matt7 I'm a Fan of Matt7 242 fans permalink

"A lot of them have come up to me and thanked me because I said what they're thinking. And because I sit next to Max B and am senior, my saying it, I think, was good leverage and helpful and made it easier on people," Rockefeller told the H P."

Grain O Sand said: "This somehow does not seem correct. If I am possessed of conviction in principled stance, a lack of seniority or protocol is not going to hold my tongue. Herein, we find indications of what is wrong with politics. ***The principled stance of a politician is often predicated upon considerations having nothing to do with a principled stance (such as, 'What’s in it for me?')." ***

. . . What's in it for me, or how do I comment on something controversial (so as to appear engaged), in a way that does not offend/turn off those with the power to take me down (both constituents AND campaign contributors)? Welcome to the world of "politics."

Before we become too self-righteous about speaking plainly: consider for a moment what most of us eventually go through, right here on H P at some time or other; trying to say something as strongly as we want it, but in such a way that it gets to see the light of day, and is not erased.

You are correct, though. From where most of us sit, people of principle strive bottom-line to "do the right thing."

Good comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 09/18/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 112 fans permalink
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The cost is not just money and lives. People everywhere are tied to employers for health care in jobs that don't pay well usually. People can't risk money for new businesses and ventures. People everywhere are just laying low and trying to get by and get whatever health care they can. This strong hold on us from the medical industry is stifling and sucking off the quality of our lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 09/17/2009
- RhodaA I'm a Fan of RhodaA 27 fans permalink
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CHECKMATE ???

Was the bill intentionally crafted as a tactical ploy to:
1) unify the democrats to demand a stronger bill;
2) call the republicans' bluff;
3) just get the bill out of committee so congress can start the mark-up; while,
4) saving Baucus’ senate seat to boot.
If true, then Baucus has to get a lot of credit for playing the disgraced fall guy. We'll see next week when they start the mark-up.

In support of this, Sen. Rockefeller, on MSNBC late night after the bill was released, said he had just had a meeting with the President and was "very pleased."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/17/2009
- Matt7 I'm a Fan of Matt7 242 fans permalink

Kudos to the chess master. (And I'm not talking about the pawn).

Don't know about the "long suffering fall guy part" but that was my impression when I first saw this thing. It said to me that Baucus' action would allow anyone who was looking to see 1) Dems tried inclusion, 2) Reps had no intention of playing, 3) Everyone got to see how the whole thing played out (i.e., how gubmint words) in a blow by blow account, and therefore 4) American people: some of you may be unemployed, but if you want something, it's your JOB to fight for it, along with your reps.

Brilliant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 09/18/2009
- GrandmaBEE I'm a Fan of GrandmaBEE 31 fans permalink
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Why are we still having this debate? We already had it and the American people have already spoken. The decision was made in the polling boothes all across America. They know what the people want. It was stated loud and clear with our votes in the election!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 09/17/2009
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That committee - 3 Republicans and 3 Blue Dogs - does not even reflect the makeup of the Senate which is 60% Democrat, let alone the election results of 2008.

I cannot understand how that committee got put together.

This is an outrage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 09/17/2009
- textynn I'm a Fan of textynn 112 fans permalink
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yes i agree. the roll call of this committee is suspicions convenient .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/17/2009
- LHoney I'm a Fan of LHoney 41 fans permalink
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Well, if they're trying to get us to say, "Never mind, we don't want health care reform," then I guess this is a good way to start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 09/17/2009
- ultrabop I'm a Fan of ultrabop 15 fans permalink
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Here's an idea:

let's get rid of health care altogether. that's what the Pub Lick Your Cans and Damn Your Cats want.

Let's grow marijuana and smoke it.

Altogether now. And take a tab of acid and a shot of Jim Beam.

End of problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 09/17/2009
- soapington I'm a Fan of soapington 42 fans permalink
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You have to admire Max Mucus. No, not as a senator - as a senator, he's a complete char latan, bought and paid for by the industries whose interests he represents. I'm talking about his acting ability - his ability to stand up in public and pretend, with a straight face, that this squa lid little can ard of a bill is supposed to be a serious contribution to the health care debate.

Since he first became involved in the health care issue, his intentions have been clear: to obstruct and delay the process for as long as he can - if possible, until it withers and dies. But the trick of it is that Mr. Mucus has to PRETEND he's acting in good faith. And yes, he's doing it pretty well. So far, he's earned every dollar he's been paid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 09/17/2009
- soapington I'm a Fan of soapington 42 fans permalink
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You have to admire Max Mucus. No, not as a senator - as a senator, he's a complete charlatan, bought and paid for by the industries whose interests he represents. I'm talking about his acting ability - his ability to stand up in public and pretend, with a straight face, that this squalid little canard of a bill is supposed to be a serious contribution to the health care debate.

Since he first became involved in the health care issue, his intentions have been clear: to obstruct and delay the process for as long as he can - if possible, until it withers and dies. But the trick of it is that Mr. Mucus has to PRETEND he's acting in good faith. And yes, he's doing it pretty well. So far, he's earned every dollar he's been paid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 09/17/2009
- soapington I'm a Fan of soapington 42 fans permalink
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Apologies for the double post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/17/2009
- ultrabop I'm a Fan of ultrabop 15 fans permalink
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But it was good. Good enough for a twosie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 09/17/2009
- GrandmaBEE I'm a Fan of GrandmaBEE 31 fans permalink
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Dems are in control. Don't need the Republicans. This is a fake fight. It is a cover for the Dems who have all recieved money from healthcare for thier campaigns, just like the Republicans. I'm not buying it one little bit. If they don't do what the people voted them there to do, many of them won't be back next time around. Dems will lose control. Public Option is healthcare reform we need. Baucus and the rest don't matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/17/2009
- 2bad I'm a Fan of 2bad 16 fans permalink

Has ANYONE other than the insurance industry endorsed this, this steaming pile of bullship?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 09/17/2009
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Nope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 09/18/2009
- Dacktyl I'm a Fan of Dacktyl 15 fans permalink
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Check out the picture of Baucus at http://republicandirtytricks.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 09/17/2009

Bacus is the latest sign that much of Congress has been bought and paid for by Lobbyists of the large corporations. It is a shame that the people of this country no longer have any real representation in our GREAT Country. This Country has really gone down hill since the Supreme Court ruled that corporations have the SAME RIGHTS AS PEOPLE. How ludicrous of them to have reached such a conclusion!!! he middle class continues to get SLAMMED.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 09/17/2009
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Living in Europe, I can only say this. Europeans pay higher taxes. Part of the reason for that is that universal healthcare is funded this way. The only feasible way to fund a universal healthcare plan in the US, especially anything with a public option, is via tax hikes. How many people are willing to see their taxes raised in order to have affordable healthcare?

It has to be asked, and it has to be admitted that Obama will raise taxes.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 09/17/2009

I would gladly pay taxes for universal healthcare. It would definitely cost less than the crap private insurance I currently have. Where do my tax dollars go now? Mostly they're spent on killing poor brown people who present no threat whatsoever to the US.

The elephant in the room is that if our military and defense budgets weren't greater than the rest of the world's combined military budgets, we could have free quality health care and higher education for all. You know, like they have in civilized countries.

Empires aren't cheap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 09/17/2009
- majorsja I'm a Fan of majorsja 10 fans permalink
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I second that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 09/17/2009
- oneanddone I'm a Fan of oneanddone 21 fans permalink
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Are you willing to also pay $7 a gallon for gas?? Because it would happen. The government runs out of ways to increase their revenues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/17/2009
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"civilized countries"

Which? Great Britain? Italy? France? Spain? The number of students attending university in the UK is down, and has been going down since 1997. Tony Blair, Labour Prime Minister, introduced tuition fees for English students (not the Scots or the Welsh), and people leave college now with debts up to about the equivalent of $30,000. In Italy and Spain, students are allowed to stop formal education at the age of 14, and many do. I really hate to dispel your rose-coloured notions of Europe and Europeans, but a lot of their institutions don't pass the type of muster that ours do, and that includes education.

I suggest you do some reading. We still, in comparison to Europe, come out pretty damned near the top of the scale - and in some instances, at the top - for education. And stop using the word 'free' with health care. No such thing. You get rid of the military stuff and you'd still have to fund healthcare through the taxes you'd pay.

I've never supported the war, either in Afghanistan and certainly NOT in Iraq; and I'd happily come out of the NATO treaty in a New York Minute, were it down to me; but it still wouldn't eliminate the fact that universal healthcare can only be achieved and funded through the tax system. That's fine by me, but I know how much and how often Americans whinge and moan about most things - taxes included - and I wonder how

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 09/17/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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You are right. You pay less for health care because you pay more for higher taxes. We pay less in taxes but more in health care.
In 1959, Americans paid 53% of their income for Housing, food, and health care.
In 2008, Americans paid 53% of their income for food, housing and health care.
Which way are we going ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 09/17/2009
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 33 fans permalink

I see it this way - we pay expensive health insurance premiums for coverage that is then denied for flimsy reasons, like having had acne or a yeast infection. Even when the costs are covered we've got an insurance company clerk giving us a list of doctors I'm restricted to, telling us how fast we have to heal after surgery, sending us home with drains protruding from our body, telling our doctors what medications may be prescribed, telling our doctors how long their visits with us should be, etc.

The US government health insurance doesn't deny coverage for 'pre-existing' conditions and doesn't tell anyone they can't see the doctor of their choice.

If higher taxes are needed then so be it - at least we won't be denied coverage or forced into bankruptcy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 09/17/2009
- ultrabop I'm a Fan of ultrabop 15 fans permalink
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Our taxes are raised to fight bogus wars, why not raise them again to make us healthy?

Oh I forgot: "healthy" is a communistic term and offends the sensibilities of the food and drug industries.

Being healthy is not cost effective for either the health or war industries.

Sorry. I'll move to Cuba. And the fishing is great down there, Hemingway says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 09/17/2009
- Sabrina1 I'm a Fan of Sabrina1 9 fans permalink
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I am confused..... It seems the politicians think that the more money they can get from lobbyist and big business, guarantees them a better chance of being re-elected. Hmmmmm.... isn't it the votes from the people that elect these representatives? Even if we are not happy with our elected representative now, doesn’t mean we will vote in the opposing party next election either.
Even Obama is afraid to push too hard because of politics. I would like to see another FDR.
I am for campagn and lobby reform. It seems to be the source of many of the most serious problems our country and the world face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 09/17/2009

Who the heck is Obama listening to??? ----- Certainly not to the people who VOTED for him!

For a team who ran such a brilliant, strategic campaign, virtually without flaws, WHY has that same team fumbled and screwed up the CENTRAL goal of President Obama ran on? It is hard to envision how this whole initiative to reform healthcare could have been more BADLY managed by this White House and the Democratic Party!

Obama had better look into his mirror and examine HIS part of the present situation:

(1) turning the design of reform over to Congress WITHOUT clear direction on what he would or would not sign;

(2) being seemingly ABSENT without interest in the process the whole summer;

(3) ignoring/d­iscounting the insurance industry/G­OP-sponsor­ed "grass roots teabaggers", letting the opposition POISON and WIN the public debate;

(4) NOT LISTENING to the Progressive members of Congress who represent the MAJORITY of his "base";

(5) continuing to seek "bipartisanship" with those who have no goal but to destroy him and any reform;

(6) and finally, NOT BEING BOLD ENOUGH to stand up for REAL reform, not just "tinkering" with an already broken system!!!

Where is the man I thought I voted for???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 09/17/2009
- Kalamama I'm a Fan of Kalamama 71 fans permalink
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Sigh.....I have to keep repeating myself here. This is NOT what the POTUS said in his speech last week and this is NOT going to pass.

All I can do is keep telling all the people who are content to sit and tell the POTUS this is not the change we voted for......Use that energy and put the pressure on your Reps and you senators.
CALL, E-MAIL, WRITE to them and tell them you will accept nothing less than real reform. The midterms are coming and they need to know that they have a snowballs chance of re-election if they ignore the will of more than 70 percent of the people and more than 70 percent of doctors.

We need to do our part too.....CALL CALL CALL
E-MAIL E-MAIL E-MAIL
WRITE WRITE WRITE
to your Congress Reps and Senators, AND local newspapers. MAKE yourself heard where it counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 09/17/2009

I HAVE called, emailed, written to Congress and the White House, to the point I'm sure some think I am a nuisance! Lotta good it's done so far! As far as my own representatives here in TN, all of them would sooner vote for the devil than support "anything Obama"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 09/17/2009
- GrandmaBEE I'm a Fan of GrandmaBEE 31 fans permalink
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Agree!!!!! Where is the man I voted for? We elected him to change healthcare (and other reasons). We never imagined Republicans would ever get on board. Why even bother. Needs to be a public option. There is no healthcare reform without it. What's with all this watered down crap Him and the Dems are talking about now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 09/17/2009
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