Toronto International Film Festival (TIFF) Accused of Promoting Israeli Propaganda

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First Posted: 09-17-09 01:09 PM   |   Updated: 09-17-09 01:30 PM

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Actress Julie Christie speaks at the news conference at the 34th Toronto International Film Festival on Sept. 16, 2009. She is one of many signatories to a letter condemning what some feel is a disproportionate focus on Israeli cinema at this year's festival.

Nomi Morris I GlobalPost

TORONTO, Canada - A protest over a Toronto International Film Festival spotlight on Tel Aviv cinema has galvanized the globe's creative community.

From Cairo to Calgary, artists can often be divided on their Middle East views but most agree on the need to draw the line between cultural expression and political advocacy.

As a glamorous parade of celebrities walk the red carpet here, increasing numbers of Hollywood stars are speaking out for or against the festival's critics, who say the Tel Aviv program boosts Israel's tarnished image eight months after its devastating bombing raids in the Gaza Strip.

"We protest that TIFF, whether intentionally or not, has become complicit in the Israeli propaganda machine," said the Toronto Declaration, signed earlier this month by 65 artists, including actresses Jane Fonda and Julie Christie, musicians David Byrne and Harry Belafonte and writers such as Alice Walker and Wallace Shawn.

Since then, 1,500 have added their names to the document, including 60 Israelis. The letter denounces the TIFF focus on Tel Aviv as being subverted by "the Israeli propaganda machine."

The letter itself does not however call for a boycott of the festival, which is on through Sept. 19, nor of the 10 films featured in the program. But Palestinians have demonstrated at the Canadian consular office in Ramallah, and Egyptian filmmakers have pulled their three films from what is arguably the most important international film forum after Cannes.

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The controversy has generated a great deal of heated debate. Jane Fonda modified her position after signing the letter saying she had not considered how some "unnecessarily inflammatory" wording in the declaration could "exacerbate the situation." Dozens of American and Canadian actors, directors and producers signed a full page ad in a Toronto newspaper to "applaud" the festival and its 10-film Tel Aviv program.

"Anyone who has actually seen recent Israeli cinema, movies that are political and personal, comic and tragic, often critical, knows they are in no way a propaganda arm for any government policy," said the ad co-sponsored by the Toronto and Los Angeles Jewish communities.

That statement is signed by actors Natalie Portman, Sacha Baron Cohen, Jerry Seinfeld, Lisa Kudrow, Lenny Kravitz and dozens of entertainment industry executives.

For many who are angry about the protest, it is less about the Middle East than about the politicization of an event that has in recent decades put Toronto on the world's cultural map.
"A film festival should be like the Olympics. You should put politics aside for the sake of the films," said American director Jason Reitman.

Visiting celebrities and local filmgoers appeared to do just that, as the festival carried on with as much excitement and glitz as ever, despite the ongoing scandal.

Among dozens of A-list stars in Canada this week are George Clooney, Penelope Cruz, Matt Damon, Jennifer Connelly, Drew Barrymore, Robert Duvall, Megan Fox, Julianne Moore and Michael Douglas. More than 3,100 film industry representatives are here. And tens of thousands of film lovers are lining up across the city to view even the most obscure of the 336 films featured in the festival. Directors from Spain's Pedro Almodovar to Germany's Werner Herzog, to America's Coen Brothers and Ireland's Neil Jordan are screening their newest films.

The opening film Creation, a well-received close-up of Charles Darwin's private life, is a prime example of how increasing numbers of filmmakers are choosing to debut their films in Toronto rather than Venice or Berlin.

"Toronto is the bridge between Europe and North America," said Anke Sterneborg, a critic for the Munich-based Suddeutsche Zeitung who has been attending the festival for the past 12 years. "You get the European art house films, and the Asians. And it's close enough to Hollywood for celebrities to come and give it the shine."

This year, the film that has generated the greatest buzz is "Up in the Air," the latest by Reitman, director of the hits "Juno" and "Thank You for Smoking," and son of Hollywood director Ivan Reitman ("Ghost Busters"). "Up in the Air" stars Clooney as a "termination engineer," who has no home life outside of his job, jetting around the country helping American companies fire people. Both funny and sad, the film examines a society where frequent flier points become a substitute for family attachments. Reitman used documentary footage of 25 real people who had lost their jobs in Detroit and St. Louis, which lends the film a timely edge.

At the same time, critics have singled out many smaller films from smaller countries such as Denmark's "An Education," and "Women Without Men," a German-French-Austrian co-production set in 1950's Iran. Canadian films are attracting higher profile American investment and star power, such as Atom Egoyan's "Chloe," featuring Julianne Moore and Liam Neeson. Canada is still strong in its usual categories of shorts and documentaries, with this year's main documentary entry a gem called "Genius Within: The Inner Life of Glenn Gould."

Among the many Israeli films present at this festival -- some in the special program and some not -- are "Google Baby," a documentary about artificial insemination going global and "Phobidilia," in which a man never leaves his apartment, doing everything by telephone and internet. Particularly well received were "The Time That Remains," by Palestinian-Israeli filmmaker Elia Suleiman and "Lebanon," a soul-searching drama set inside an Israeli tank during the 1982 war, which took top honors at the recent Venice Film Festival.

The TIFF 'tiff' over Tel Aviv, started on Aug. 27 when Canadian director and activist John Greyson pulled his short "Covered," from the festival program arguing that the inaugural City-to-City spotlight on Tel Aviv was inappropriate. Greyson said the Toronto festival had let itself become a tool of the 'Brand Israel' arts and culture campaign that Israel's foreign ministry devised to broaden the country's image beyond its conflict with the Palestinians. He also pointed a finger at two Canadian media companies involved with 'Brand Israel' whose owners are also contributors to the Toronto film festival.

Cameron Bailey, co-director of TIFF, countered that the decision was an independent artistic choice and was in no way influenced by the Israeli government. Festival organizers could be forgiven for believing the spotlight on Tel Aviv would not provoke controversy since Tel Aviv is inside Israel's internationally recognized boundaries, unlike contested Jerusalem and the West Bank. And yet Cameron added fuel to the flame by acknowledging that Tel Aviv is "contested ground" in his released response to the protest.

The issue picked up steam a week before the festival opened, when Canadian writer Naomi Klein ("The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism"), publicized the Toronto Declaration which criticized the Tel Aviv spotlight while stopping short of urging a boycott of the films. Writer and academic Noam Chomsky, actor Danny Glover and many Canadian and Israeli artists and filmmakers were among the 65 who signed. Actors Julie Christie and Viggo Mortensen fell into a category of those who signed the petition and still attended the festival.

The declaration spearheaded by Klein said that celebrating Tel Aviv was like celebrating Johannesburg during the height of apartheid and that Tel Aviv was "built on destroyed Arab villages." Dueling opinion pieces continued for days in local newspapers and Facebook discussions went practically viral.

Canadian producer Robert Lantos called Greyson "hypocritical" since his short film deals with the cancellation of a gay pride event in Sarajevo, whereas Tel Aviv boasts one of the most vibrant gay communities in the world. Actor Jon Voight, who starred with Fonda years ago in "Coming Home," and has ties to the Orthodox Jewish Chabad network, issued a statement condemning Fonda.

Prominent American Rabbi Marvin Hier, who founded the Los Angeles Simon Wiesenthal Center, compared the protesters to Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and those who seek to destroy Israel, since claiming that Tel Aviv is on Palestinian land implies a non-recognition of Israel.

Such criticism stung many creative artists -- among them many Jews -- who believe activism and an economic boycott is the way to influence Israeli policies, as was done against South Africa during apartheid.

Toronto's mainstream Jewish community, meanwhile, rallied for Israel, buying up tickets to the Israeli films and demonstrating on streets in front of theaters.

"Based on various misdeeds of past and present, shouldn't TIFF stop screening movies from China, Germany, Italy, Spain, Russia and the United Kingdom?" wrote Toronto Star columnist Martin Knelman, satirically. "The greatest outrage of all is that during the six years since George W. Bush sent troops to Iraq, TIFF has meekly continued to promote movies from Hollywood, which we all know is a pathetic pawn of Washington's propaganda machine."

Ironically, many of the festival films set in Tel Aviv are highly critical and could hardly be accused of putting a positive gloss on the city. The demographically complex Jaffa area is examined in three films and the underbelly of Israeli society is laid bare in several which probe racism against Arabs, spousal abuse, trafficking in women for sex. "Lebanon" exposes wartime excesses against civilians.

In Toronto theater line-ups, some ticket-holders hadn't even heard about the controversy. "No. I know nothing about it at all," said Hilary Neal, 23, excited about seeing "She, A Chinese."
Others had heard about the Tel Aviv issue on the news but it failed to dim their enthusiasm for the festival.

"To me it's a side issue," said Milena Nikolic, who came in from her hometown an hour outside Toronto to see three films. "Movies do provide a lot of political debate. TIFF shouldn't be used for it. It's just too bad, what's going on."

Around the city's downtown a festive atmosphere prevailed with free daily outdoor concerts and films, and a complementary event called TUFF, the Toronto Urban Film Festival, which screened one-minute silent films on subway platforms across the city. The folk icon Joan Baez was scheduled to perform. And people were on the streets around the clock with Midnight Madness screenings and dozens of late night parties.

Nomi Morris is a journalist based in California, former Middle East correspondent for Knight Ridder newspapers and a former Berlin correspondent for Time magazine.

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- Fein I'm a Fan of Fein 19 fans permalink

Kudos to this organization for revealing this propaganda program in time for people to avoid paying money to support a propaganda campaign!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 10/03/2009

I would love to see the Americans on this board who are anti-Israel give up their homes to the Native Americans and move back to whatever country their grandparents or whoever came from. If you're not willing to do that yet still maintain the Israelis should leave their country, you're a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 09/21/2009
- Goefel I'm a Fan of Goefel 10 fans permalink
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Great sense of logic. I suppose we could apply this to the Visigoths also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 09/22/2009

You probably should. Where do you draw the line? Israel is fair game because it was only 60 years ago but the US isn't because it was 200+ years ago? How about Australia, maybe you could begin protesting them since they have really only been independent for less than 100 years. Perhaps they should give the land back to the Aboriginals and sail their butts back to the UK. Oh right, but you would never advocate for that now would you. I guess the cutoff for you is 1948, as long as the landgrabbing and slaying of the natives happened before that it's ok and the people should be left alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 09/23/2009

Kudos to Julie Christie. And John Greyson, Naomi Klein, Danny Glover, all the others - who could so easily just live their nice, privileged lives, piss no body off and grow rich and old in luxurious comfort, but instead, have chosen to own an active, working conscience, and are willing, to use this active working conscience, sensibly, to improve the lives of other people who do not own the power and the influence necessary, to do so for themselves.

As for the ‘other side’ of - Jerry Seinfield, Natalie Portman, Lisa Kudrow, Baron Cohen et al - It is disappointing to see that they have chosen to be simple cheerleaders, front men, gate keepers, of the status quo. They look like eggs, full of themselves and their own whatevers. This side did not offer any thing of real value, of real substance, that would solve the problem at TIFF and also to help Palestinians become truly self sufficient, so that Palestinian children can have the same quality of life, the same good things and privileges, as they, Jerry, Natalie, Lisa and the rest of their like minded group, as they, themselves and their children, enjoy.

It must be tough for Palestinian Moms to watch the huge disparity between the lives of their children and all ours.
Moms in Canada

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 09/21/2009
- Rick08 I'm a Fan of Rick08 3 fans permalink

It is sad that Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank have been used as pawns by Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah and surrounding Arab countries who have committed them to poverty and despair by pursuing a policy of unrelenting confrontation with Israel rather than look for a way of peaceful coexistence that would offer and chance of a positive future for them.
A bright future is possible when they love their children more than they hate Israel. Why don't the anti-Israel celebrities focus their energies in that direction if they really want progress??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 09/26/2009
- yankees I'm a Fan of yankees 18 fans permalink

Censorship on the World stage, what an idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 09/21/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 09/20/2009
- Enliberate I'm a Fan of Enliberate 12 fans permalink

The highlighting of Tel Aviv at this point in time is inappropriate. Plain and simple. It's like saying "Sure, there's evidence of war crimes (not really a war), but it's our old buddy...."­. I don't know how the idea of emphasizing a connection between Toronto and Tel Aviv got started, but it seems an obvious PR move in extremely bad taste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 09/19/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

totallly agree with you Enliberate . . . . it is a low move in very bad taste

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 09/21/2009
- Secularist I'm a Fan of Secularist 15 fans permalink

This protest seems terribly misguided. What's wrong with spotlighting movies from a particular nation? I would not object to a spotlight on Teheran or any other city from a country whose policies you may disagree with. And by the way, a lot of the people spearheading this protest, like Julie Christie and Harry Belafonte are known anti-semites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 09/18/2009
- jollyelle I'm a Fan of jollyelle 18 fans permalink

Criticizing Israel's oppressive policies does not make one anti-Semitic,
although that is usually one of the first accusations charged.

People are objecting because Our tax dollars are funding this oppression, you realize. We are not giving Teheran or Rwanda
10 million dollars a day. That is a fact, the USA gives Israel 10 million dollars a day of your money.
It sounds like some research is needed to awake you from the daily dose of bias and propaganda that is fed to us each and everyday. It's very hard to accept that Israel doesn't always act in democratic ways but they don't and we should have the right to criticize a country for abusive policies, of which they have many.
i.e. they control water rights and withhold water from Palestinians, they control all of what goes in and out of Gaza as they control land, air and sea borders. Even though reports all infer Hamas controls Gaza, they have control inside the country, not the borders---- Israel controls ALL access in and out.
and regularly prevents Humanitarian Aid from reaching people who need it....that­'s why they call Gaza, the largest outdoor prison, the civilians are basically kept at a level just above starvation, but our news doesn't report on this.
So, yes, we have an obligation to protest the glorification of Israel, thanks to ALL who have spoken out LOUD on this issue----hopefully people will open their eyes and see what is true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 09/19/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 112 fans permalink
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Fanned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 09/19/2009
- Hedonist I'm a Fan of Hedonist 20 fans permalink
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Israel controls ALL access in and out except, of course, the 20 km. border Gaza shares with Egypt. A small detail but then again facts are rather inconvenient when you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 09/20/2009

Hmm, can you provide evidence to back up your claim that Harry Belafonte and Julie Christie are kinown antisemites, or is that just one more throwaway slander?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/19/2009
- phute I'm a Fan of phute 21 fans permalink

Doesn't matter whether Julie Christie or Harry Belafonte are proven anti semites - people like y in france believe that in making such charges they will succeed in cowering the opposition. Overuse of this charge has rendered it virtually impotent.
When all else fails this is the card that is usually played.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 09/19/2009
- phute I'm a Fan of phute 21 fans permalink

It's not about highlighting movies from a particular Israeli city - it's about Brand Israel - a pr offensive.
Those in the pro camp are stooges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/19/2009

SEEMS AS THOUGH ANYONE WHO USES THE WORD "JEW" FOLLOWED OR PRECEDED BY A NEGATIVE IS AN ANTI SEMITE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 09/20/2009
- myopinion2 I'm a Fan of myopinion2 22 fans permalink

The hypocrisy and prejudice of those who embrace a one-state solution as democratic and progressive, is that they are willing to have the Jews exist as a minority in a Palestinian country which will be Moslem in culture both politically and culturally, but think there is something regressive and unfair about having a Palextinian minority living in a Jewishly sovereign Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 09/18/2009
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The problems with the state of Israel as a Jewish state is that the Israeli founders were attempting to impose a single racial entity on a pre-existing mix society. At no stage prior to the declaration of Independence did the Jews in Palestine hold a majority of the population. Only after the forced expulsion of about 800,000 Arabs did a Jewish majority occur.

That forced expulsion was illegal. The subsequent refusal to allow the Palestinians to return was illegal. The desire by Zionism to have the state of Israel, as a Jewish state is as racist as the Dutch Afrikaans’s desire for a white state in South Africa.

The thing that you conveniently forget or refuse to recognise is that there was already a pre-existing mixed culture and that the only way that the state of Israel could become a singular culture was through illegal means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 09/18/2009
- fbr79 I'm a Fan of fbr79 12 fans permalink
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Well, lets illuminate you with some information about race, religion and nationality.

You see, I'm Brown, Atheist and American.
There are people who are Black, Jewish and Israeli.
There are people who are White, Christian and Australian.

See how that works?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 09/18/2009
- DeniseA I'm a Fan of DeniseA 7 fans permalink

Jews were a majority in the land that was partitioned to become Israel. The Arabs that lived there became citizens of Israel.
20% of the Israeli population is Arab.
When Israel declared statehood it was immediately attacked by surrounding Arab nations even though there is no evidence that Jews displaced Arabs.

http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm

They didn't illegally force anyone out; rather, they were forced to do what was necessary to defend themselves and survive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 09/18/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 71 fans permalink
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"Moslem in culture both politically and culturally, but think there is something regressive and unfair about having a Palextinian minority living in a Jewishly sovereign Israel."

"Moslem, Jewishly" and some huge assumptions. I'm not at all sure you understand or even have a position but you aren't doing it any good either way :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 09/19/2009
- Squeezer55 I'm a Fan of Squeezer55 7 fans permalink
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10 films out of 336 films being screened and it's called a propaganda campaign ? Jeezus! give me a break !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 09/18/2009

I think that the Israeli films should not be banned. I don't think that is what people are protesting (I hope). All nations have had some kind of dark history, but that doesn't mean we should ban films for this reason. If this were the case, should we ban American films because of what was done to the Native Americans? Also, a lot of films express dissent, and it would be wrong to censor/ban them. I don't think they are Israeli propaganda, being that they are independent art films.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/18/2009

Just a general point, which I suspect underlies many of the comments by Israel's critics here. I frankly do not criticize the Israeli films, and will surely see some of them. I wish Israeli cineasts well, especially those who have revealed aspects of reality we rarely if ever get a chance to view in the West.
But while I bear no grudge to Israeli cineaste in particular, I, for one, am happy to see so many people in the film industry protesting a festival that has turned into an Israeli propaganda victory. It is a huge relief to see this outburst, but I honest FEAR FOR THE PROFESSIONAL LIVES of those who signed the anti-Israel petition. Remember how Hollywood and the Jewish lobby bagged Vanessa Redgrave some 20 years ago for expressing her radical views (with which I do NOT agree). We are talking about some of the most vituperate, mean-spirited and cruel forces known to humanity: They would have no problem black-listing people they view as enemies.
Like the Iranian opponents to Ahmadinejad, I can only applaud their courage!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 09/18/2009
- myopinion2 I'm a Fan of myopinion2 22 fans permalink

Being an anti-Israel Hollywood star takes no courage. Please. That is like Rush, Hannity, Levin, et al complaining that the right wing can't get its message into the "liberal" msm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 09/18/2009

You say it takes no courage to criticize Israel in Hollywood??
Perhaps you do not know of the blacklisting of Vanessa Redgrave?
And thanks for the comparison with Rush, Hannity, Levin, et al, who are Israel's most adamant "supporters'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 09/18/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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It's time, once and for all, to put these lobbyists into the dumpster of history.

Soem of these performers have anmassed personal fortunes that make them immune from pressure. They can make their own films, like Spike Lee.

Time to call these pressure groups out, by name, make that into the evening news, and rallu the resentment of the American people against them.

We're fighting for the independence of our nation from these interlopers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 09/18/2009
- Hedonist I'm a Fan of Hedonist 20 fans permalink
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Interlopers? What a bizarre and idiotic claim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 09/19/2009
- chaya I'm a Fan of chaya 39 fans permalink

Can't we all just get along? Seriously.

Extremists on both sides of the aisle need to cool down.

1. Protesting Israel's actions and boycotting products does not make one an Iranian dictator.

2. It's inaccurate--and cruel--to blame citizens of ANY country for what their government does. Would these self-righteous artists be so quick to jump in with the mob if American film-makers were being attacked because of American policies of military invasion, occupation and torture? Would we boycott Iranian or Burmese films because we don't like their dictator (any more than they do)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 09/18/2009

You raise some interesting points some of which I, at least partially, agree with. However, as an American living abroad for many years, I can tell you that we Americans are indeed a verbal target of abuse for the actions of our govt.
And you know what? It doesn't bother me at all. When I was studying Spanish in Santander, Spain in June 2003, I remember an American woman who objected vociferously to being asked about her views on the Iraq war. I told her that that is what Americans must face when we leave the country.
People are sometimes shocked by the actions of a govt, and in the case of Israel, their actions have complicated enormously the fight against terrorism: ergo, the reaction of people around the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 09/18/2009

We give $8 billion dollars to Israel each year, it is the largest recipient of Foreign Aid.

How does a country guilty of massive human rights violations and war crimes become our number one aid recipient. We let money go taxfree from so called 'charities' to fund settlements for racist religious fanatics.

If we could have an honest debate about how American taxdollars are spent and how Israel should be treated like any other foreign country. America can be an ally to Israel like it is to Canada, France, UK, etc, only we won't sell out our own interests and security to please Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 09/18/2009

How long can America continue to underwrite Israeli excesses and human rights violations to the tune of $8 billion every year?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 09/18/2009
- bermanator I'm a Fan of bermanator 34 fans permalink
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Guy's it's $3.6 billion. At least get your numbers right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 09/18/2009
- myopinion2 I'm a Fan of myopinion2 22 fans permalink

The objection to Israel being a "jewish" state is hypocritical. Only a Christian could possibly think that America is not a Christian state. No, not legally, but socially and culturally -- absolutely. The cross is the nation's symbol at military cemetaries. Christmas is a national holiday. The pledge of alliegence and our currency deifies the Christian god. If Mexico was a Moslem country, and tens of millions of Moslem immigrants were establishing Allah and Ramadan as cutural competitors, perhaps not you but a majority of Christian (not just far-right) would be calling for a closing of the border prompto.

Moreover, all of the Arab countries are Moslem countries. And a Palestinian country with a Moslem majority population will be Moslem. The one-state myth of a multi-cultural equality is a utopian fantasy that lacks any actual historic example.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 09/18/2009

America is NOT a sectarian state and nor the states of Europe (EU). Your confusion betrays an incredible lack of political culture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 09/18/2009
- myopinion2 I'm a Fan of myopinion2 22 fans permalink

Ignoring my substantive arguments, stating your conclusion without even a supporting argument much less evidence, and calling me confused -- that's why I can'tI take you seriously. You merely have an opinion. Terrific. we all have 'em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 09/18/2009
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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there will be new films depicting the true nature of occupation and killings. A one state solution is also on the making.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 09/18/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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A one-state solution is the ONLY non-catastrophic way out. A democratic state that embraces both Jews and Arabs, like the new South Africa embraces both blacks and whites.

Absent that -- or a disastrous regional war -- Israel will slowly deflate -- more people are leaving than coming is, and there aren't enough Jews in the world to sustain a Zionist enclave in the region.

Since 2007, more Jews have left Israel than have come in. Some 700,000 to 1 million Israeli Jews live abroad, and a 2007 poll reportedly found that nearly one-half of all young people are considering leaving.

According to the U.N. Population Division, the Occupied Palestinian Territories (West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem) will be home to 4.4 million Palestinians in 2010, but 10 million by the centennial of the Jewish state in 2048. Palestinians in the occupied territories alone will equal the population of Israel, and Israel's population of 10 million will itself be about 30 percent Arab. By mid-century, Palestinians west of the Jordan will outnumber Israeli Jews two to one. And there will be 6 million more Palestinians in Jordan.

And the Russian "Exodus" is over. No rockets in New York's Coney Island.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1113750.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 09/18/2009
- myopinion2 I'm a Fan of myopinion2 22 fans permalink

The US / European model of a country cannot be exported universally. One would think that after the disasters with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Sudan, etc, well-weaning westerners would get that one cannot transform antagonistic neighboring tribes into cooperative fellow citizens by magically drawing a potical boundary that encompasses the tribres in the same country. Think of Pakistan / India as the natural order of thinks. Through both voluntary and coercive action there was an exchange of populations to create a Hindu state and a Moslem state.

Do not twist my words -- I am not calling for a relocation of Palestinians. I support a Palestinian state in the West Bank. But the notion that in a one-state solution the Palestinians are going to treat the jews any better than the Shiites are treating the Sunnis in Iraq is worse than wishful thinking -- it is a condemnation of the Jews to second class status at best and more likely persecution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 09/18/2009

I am afraid your plan will never be accepted by Zionists because a nation embracing all ethnic groups implies an end to the right of return to Jews in the world, and that's .leaving aside the Palestinians' legitimate claims to return.
One of my Jewish friends from high school (also living in Paris) told me the other day that Israel was an abomination that has racked havoc on the Jewish people, rendering many if not most utterly and unforgivably reactionary. I thought that was more than a bit harsh, but the sad reality is that there are few things more racist and more backward than taking over another people's land on the basis of claims going back 2,000+ years.
After all, critics rightly condemn Hamas for basing its ideas on the Middle Ages. What does that say about Israelis who go back even further??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 09/18/2009
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