Joe Wilson Election: Chances Damaged By Outburst

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BEN EVANS and MEG KINNARD | 09/20/09 12:41 PM | AP

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FILE - In this Sept. 9, 2009 file photo, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C. is seen on Capitol Hill in Washington. The uproar over Rep. Wilson's shouting "you lie" at President Barack Obama returns to the House floor Tuesday, Sept. 15, 2009 for what could be a contentious and highly partisan debate over whether to formally criticize the South Carolina Republican. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, file)

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Rep. Joe Wilson may have shouted his way into the toughest election fight of his life.

Just ask former Sen. George Allen of Virginia, a conservative darling who suffered a surprise defeat in 2006 after calling an Indian-American campaign worker "macaca" – an ethnic slur in some countries. Or Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, who was tossed out of office the same year after striking a police officer who tried to make her show identification before entering the Capitol complex.

Voters often frown on rude conduct, and Democrats would like nothing more to have Wilson's scalp in 2010 – not just to win another seat, but to hold up the victory as evidence that even the conservative South rejects the town-hall style vitriol that President Barack Obama is facing.

Of course, a decisive Wilson victory could also show the opposite: that voters in this South Carolina district are angry over Obama's policies and support Wilson's message, if not his style.

What's clear is that the race will be one of the most closely watched of the midterm cycle, with money now gushing in from all over the country. The normally low-key Wilson will be in the spotlight like never before.

"It's actually boosted Joe's popularity among folks who agree with him," said Danielle Vinson, a political scientist at Furman University. But Vinson said it could cause problems for Wilson with voters who are transplants to South Carolina.

"This particularly will stick in their minds because they're still talking to friends and family who live elsewhere, and for them, this has been an embarrassment," she said.

About a quarter of Wilson's constituents are African-Americans, a voting bloc that has overwhelmingly supported Obama and is not likely to approve of his insult.

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A little-known backbencher until recently, Wilson has generally had an easy time winning re-election. But there was evidence that he might be a rare Southern Republican vulnerable to defeat even before he became a household name for yelling "You lie" during the president's speech to Congress about health care reform.

His victory last November with 54 percent of the vote over first-time Democratic candidate Rob Miller raised red flags. While the 8 percentage-point margin over Miller was still significant in an unusually pro-Democratic election environment, Wilson's tally was far weaker than the 60 percent to 70 percent showings that Republicans routinely post in the South. And Wilson's election results over the last four cycles show a consistent downward trend, from 84 percent in 2002 to 63 percent in 2006 and a low point last year.

His district stretches from Columbia, near the center of the state, toward the coast, enveloping Hilton Head Island and Beaufort – areas densely populated with northern retirees. It encompasses wide economic contrasts. Allendale County traditionally registers the state's top jobless rate – 21.8 percent in August – while Lexington and Beaufort counties are among the most affluent.

It is also home to large military installations such as the Army's Fort Jackson and the Marine Corps' Parris Island Training Depot.

Some statewide Democratic candidates have carried the district in recent years, but it hasn't been represented by a Democrat in Congress since 1965.

Wilson's likely 2010 opponent will again be Miller, a former Marine captain who served two tours in Iraq and resigned his commission to run last cycle.

Miller, who enlisted in the Marines after college, now lives in Beaufort and runs a small business that sells Marine-oriented gifts and souvenirs near Parris Island. He calls himself a "pro-gun, pro-military Carolina Democrat," running on priorities of improving the economy and balancing the budget.

His performance last year can be seen in two ways.

Democrats argue it was impressive, considering Wilson's huge fundraising advantage and eight years of incumbency. Wilson spent $1.3 million on the race; Miller spent less than half that. They say Wilson has done little to make himself known to voters, and they're hoping his presidential insult will leave a lasting negative impression.

Republicans, meanwhile, point out that the results mirrored almost identically the presidential outcome in the district, and that Miller did as well as he did only because of Obama's coattails and the strongly anti-Republican mood at the time. The 2010 election will largely be a referendum on the Obama administration, and that doesn't bode well for Miller, they argue.

For now, both campaigns are getting strong signals of support – they raised an astonishing $1.5 million apiece in the week after the incident, and the checks are still flowing.

With Miller in a position to buy heavy television and radio advertising, Wilson knows he has a fight on his hands.

He said he decided this week to open his campaign office and hire a full-time campaign director, some six months before he had initially planned.

"We will take nothing for granted," he said.

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Evans reported from Washington.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Rep. Joe Wilson may have shouted his way into the toughest election fight of his life. Just ask former Sen. George Allen of Virginia, a conservative darling who suffered a surp...
COLUMBIA, S.C. — Rep. Joe Wilson may have shouted his way into the toughest election fight of his life. Just ask former Sen. George Allen of Virginia, a conservative darling who suffered a surp...
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- comicpro I'm a Fan of comicpro 31 fans permalink
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I invited Joe Wilson over for a beer summit. No word yet but his wife said yes. Nice Southern lady with grace and manners married to Qausimoto (sp)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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LOL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 09/23/2009
- Zen0469 I'm a Fan of Zen0469 71 fans permalink
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A perfect example of a _re/ pug whose _an/ al ori/ fice is wound too tightly. The spring loaded action is a pub/ lic men/ ace.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 09/21/2009
- dans5843 I'm a Fan of dans5843 47 fans permalink

I hear Joe Wilson is going to team up with Joe the plumber.

They are going to Iowa, get married settle down and open a plumbing business.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 09/21/2009
- aaronburr I'm a Fan of aaronburr 4 fans permalink
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Maybe next time the authors could include some facts about current polling - you know, something other than their own wishful thinking. Wilson is still in about as safe a Republican seat as there is anywhere. And even were Miller to win he has "Blue Dog" conservative democrat written all over him.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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Maybe you are right.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 09/23/2009

It would be great to have Wilson defeated and all those like him who litter the halls of Congress.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 09/21/2009
- roudy I'm a Fan of roudy 28 fans permalink

Joe, you little tea bagging rascal, you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 09/21/2009
- JavaManiac I'm a Fan of JavaManiac 38 fans permalink
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Disagree with the President or disagree with the content of the health bills - fine!

But, poor Joe doesn't have the common sense or as I believe the common decency to do it at the right time and with the right words!

That is his fallacy and hopefully will be his downfall!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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he should have booed, or hissed. Much more respectful

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/21/2009
- flatus I'm a Fan of flatus 36 fans permalink
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Actually, yes.

Ever hear of a duel being fought over being hissed or boo'ed?

Cheers!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 09/21/2009
- rcwblessed I'm a Fan of rcwblessed 15 fans permalink
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Let's help Rob Miller win the upcoming helection:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 09/21/2009
- BigAl72 I'm a Fan of BigAl72 125 fans permalink
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This is South Carolina, Joe Wilson will win big unfortunately.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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You wish, let's see.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 09/21/2009
- BigAl72 I'm a Fan of BigAl72 125 fans permalink
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No, I don't wish it. I'm hoping Miller can pull it off.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 09/21/2009
- medici I'm a Fan of medici 11 fans permalink

He will probably win. And it will be because he was rude to a black man.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 09/21/2009
- Onedog I'm a Fan of Onedog 12 fans permalink
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Yes that type of rudeness goes over big in South Carolina.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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Question -
Last month, in Atlanta GA, and email emerged urging black voters to get out and vote so that a white candidate wouldn't be elected.

Quotes from the memo:
"African Americans could lose the mayoral seat in Atlanta, Georgia, especially if there is a runoff;"

“Time is of the essence because in order to defeat a Norwood (white) mayoral candidacy we have to get out now and work in a manner to defeat her without a runoff, and the key is a significant black turnout in the general election,”

Was this racist?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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NO

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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How so? "You Lie" is racist, but memo telling people they need to vote so the white person doesn't get elected isn't? C'mon, you can do better than that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 09/21/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 153 fans permalink

I hope it worked!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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Pathetic. You ignore racism in your own party, then fabricate racism against another purely for political gain.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 09/21/2009

The only thing racist about it is the word "white" in parentheses. But that wasn't in the original. It's gone viral on the Internet with the insertion, but it didn't say that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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So what is the difference between that memo and saying you lie?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 09/21/2009
- medici I'm a Fan of medici 11 fans permalink

Counterquestion: Who sent the e-mail?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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It was a memo from Aaron Trupeau.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 09/21/2009
- Nitalia I'm a Fan of Nitalia 4 fans permalink

Maybe, but guys like you have been pulling numbers like this since the beginning of time. One little mayoral race in Atlanta is like an ink spot on a white sheet!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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Question - Are there no racists in the dem party? How can you play one side and not address the other?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 09/21/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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And, if you want to go to the beginning of time, that would be Lincoln for the repubs. I believe it was southern dems that wants to keep the satus quo with slavery.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 09/21/2009
- godless09 I'm a Fan of godless09 9 fans permalink

If he were'nt so drunk he might have been able to control his outburst...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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Yeah, he looks drunk

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 09/22/2009
- Zeus9000 I'm a Fan of Zeus9000 31 fans permalink
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Question -
Last month, in Atlanta GA, and email emerged urging black voters to get out and vote so that a white candidate wouldn't be elected.

Quotes from the memo:
"African Americans could lose the mayoral seat in Atlanta, Georgia, especially if there is a runoff;"

“Time is of the essence because in order to defeat a Norwood (white) mayoral candidacy we have to get out now and work in a manner to defeat her without a runoff, and the key is a significant black turnout in the general election,”

Was this racist?



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/20/joe-wilson-election-chanc_n_292650.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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NO

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 09/22/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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Checks are flowing pretty good for Rob Miller.

Support him:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 09/21/2009
- qwerty911 I'm a Fan of qwerty911 20 fans permalink
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On Rob Miller's fund raising website it has him at $937,851. WOW
But on Joe Wilson's fund raising website it has him at $1,891,985. Double WOW.

Seem to me that the checks are flowing MUCH better for Joe Wilson.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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If you take the trouble to read (and add), you will see that Rob Miller is above 3 million
937K is only Act Blue

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 09/21/2009
- Nitalia I'm a Fan of Nitalia 4 fans permalink

Well, let's see how the votes flow!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 09/21/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 153 fans permalink

Thanks - just donated again.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 09/21/2009
- RAStewart I'm a Fan of RAStewart 2 fans permalink

I guess I'm going to be a cynical contrarian here, but my guess is that Joe Wilson's two infamous words have bought him re-election, a bright future in South Carolina politics, and a good shot at revered-el­der-states­man status in his party some day. We may very well be looking at the next Strom Thurmond.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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My guess is he will be defeated. Look at Mr. Macaca

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 09/21/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 153 fans permalink

Let's boycott SC en masse if that is the case. The voters would deserve it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 09/21/2009
- cycle3man I'm a Fan of cycle3man 14 fans permalink

I'm thankful that good ol' Joe-baby didn't have a gun!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 09/21/2009
- qwerty911 I'm a Fan of qwerty911 20 fans permalink
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That comment was uncalled for. When it comes to inciting the crowd with hate, blame a liberal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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"Uncalled For" LOL
We have a Miss Manners troll

LOL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 09/21/2009
- Arrech I'm a Fan of Arrech 72 fans permalink
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LOL

Miss Manners with ADD

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 09/21/2009
- BizSamurai I'm a Fan of BizSamurai 27 fans permalink
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Your world must be fascinating. Are you suggesting that reasoning liberals incite conservative crowds to hate... because they have no real arguments or answers to reason with?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 09/21/2009
- Nitalia I'm a Fan of Nitalia 4 fans permalink

Blame the NRA!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 09/21/2009
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