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LARA JAKES | 09/22/09 08:24 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Military officials voiced frustration and congressional leaders urged caution Tuesday over what they described as President Barack Obama's shifting strategy in Afghanistan, six months after he committed thousands more U.S. troops to the stalemated war there.

Administration officials maintained they were looking at all options to protect the U.S. and its allies by shutting down al-Qaida leaders who are believed to be hiding in areas of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan.

Critics at the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill said the White House was in danger of taking its eye off the fight that has turned increasingly deadly for American forces in recent months. They called on Obama to fulfill an anticipated request for more troops from the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

"This leads me to urge you to waste no time in providing a clear direction to our commanders and civilian leaders, along with the resources necessary to achieve their mission," House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton, D-Mo., wrote to Obama in a letter dated Tuesday, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. Skelton is the highest-ranking Democrat so far to support sending more troops to Afghanistan.

Warning of what he called the lessons of history, Skelton added: "The last administration allowed itself to be distracted from the fight forced on us in Afghanistan by the fight it chose in Iraq. I believe that this was a strategic mistake, robbing the war in Afghanistan of the necessary resources and resulting in an approach of 'half-ass it and hope.' We cannot afford to continue that policy."

He was referring to then-President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003 after largely abandoning the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Military officials who thought the debate over strategy and troop levels had been settled when Obama outlined his mission for the region in March expressed concern Tuesday that seesawing politics could stall decisions and leave commanders in Afghanistan with no clear policy or strategy to follow. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the debate publicly.

Arizona Sen. John McCain, who has urged Obama to send more troops to Afghanistan, said Tuesday, "I've never seen a disconnect like this between the military leadership and the White House on an issue." McCain, who was Obama's opponent in the 2008 presidential election, spoke at a conference hosted by the Washington-based organization, Foreign Policy Initiative.

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At the White House, top Obama advisers insist the administration remains committed to its long-stated goal for the war in Afghanistan – disrupting al-Qaida and denying the terrorist organization safe haven on either side of the nation's porous border with Pakistan.

But they remain unconvinced that sending many more U.S. troops to Afghanistan is the way to do it.

"We have an open mind to any argument that is made," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in an interview late Monday on PBS' "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer."

She added: "Our goal is to protect the United States of America, our allies, our friends around the world from what is the epicenter of terrorism – namely, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border."

In recent days, the Obama administration has signaled it is narrowing its focus to Pakistan, since military and White House officials alike agree that very few al-Qaida extremists are believed to still be in Afghanistan.

Benchmarks outlined last week for measuring success in the war against insurgents describe the top American goal for the region as disrupting terrorist networks in Afghanistan "and especially Pakistan." White House aides are considering launching more missile strikes against al-Qaida targets inside Pakistan from unmanned spy planes.

And in a rash of television interviews that aired Sunday, Obama himself did not focus on saving Afghanistan. In at least four of the interviews, he did not even mention the Taliban, which is allied with al-Qaida and is seeking to reinstate its rule over Afghanistan after being deposed in a U.S.-led invasion following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Obama also said it's premature to decide whether to send more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to join the 68,000 who will be there by the end of the year. Fifty-one American troops died there in August, making it the bloodiest month for the U.S. since the war began in October 2001.

One senior military official said stepping up airstrikes might be difficult and more risky to do without additional forces. Without more troops, coalition forces will be able to secure fewer regions, and the insurgents will only have to move to the areas troops vacate.

The confusion led Republicans and some Democrats to renew demands for McChrystal to testify in front of Congress to personally outline the situation in Afghanistan and his request for more troops and how best to go after al-Qaida.

"It now appears President Obama has buyer's remorse," said Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo. "Congress needs to hear directly from Gen. McChrystal to ensure political motivations here in Washington don't override the needs of our commanders on the ground."

Countering, Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., said it would be premature for McChrystal to testify until the troop request is delivered to Washington.

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Associated Press writers Pauline Jelinek and Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Military officials voiced frustration and congressional leaders urged caution Tuesday over what they described as President Barack Obama's shifting strategy in Afghanistan, six mont...
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- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 45 fans permalink

BS, MS, PHD [Bovine Scat, More Scat, Piled Higher & Deeper] is used in building a career within the Beltway or in & around Washington, DC. How are the boys at the cat house on C St spinning(sp?) this? No one wants to be caught leaking in public unless they will gain an advantage if somebody takes a photo or makes a video of someone leaking in public & posts it on a porno site such as Newbie Nudes, etc.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 09/22/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 51 fans permalink

I would like to see a law passed that every person, before they can vote, must take a small test to see if they know who is running for president and vice president of both parties. Who the present president, vice president and speaker of the house are, We would never have another president like Obama. That is how he was elected by people that don't even know one thing about our government.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 09/22/2009
- Geoffreys I'm a Fan of Geoffreys 14 fans permalink
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huh. sounds a lot like a literacy test. That worked really well in the South prior to the Civil Rights Movement.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 09/22/2009
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If you’re a capitalist then you want to protect profit from people, people at home who want to regulate excessive profit and people abroad who want a fair and equal distribution of profit. Hence the need for a police state at home and a military abroad.

Whereas if you’re a liberal and progressive in wanting equality, you love to tear guts out of all that deadly force come what may.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 09/22/2009
- Reader451 I'm a Fan of Reader451 5 fans permalink

It isnt a job to pick your leader, its a right.

I dont know how you got out of scholl and didnt know that. You may stop voting if you dont think you understand what you are doing, but you have no right to stop any other citizen, from choosing who represents them.

Its called democracy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 09/22/2009
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Physical intelligence is the speed at which the brain rationalizes a problem and takes corrective action.

Whereas wisdom is the slow and careful way us laboring men rationalize a problem and decide not to say things we may quickly regret.

As the old song goes, “Slow down you’re going to fast, got to make the morning last...”

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 09/22/2009
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The stupid also elected Jimmy Carter as a knee jerk to Nixon. Overreaction is a hallmark of stupidity.

The stupid are protected by the Constitution, which sometimes bothers me as much as my guns bother most liberals. However I stand by and will protect the constitution. And the stupid, with my gun.

I can feel the liberal invective swelling as I type this. Don't bother. The 2nd amendment ain't going away. In fact the degree that people want to take our firearms is proportionate to our need for them...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 09/23/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 80 fans permalink

Given what I see in that picture we should pull out, Those are supposed to be Marines, one of our more Elite fighting forces, and there they are on a dirt road totally exposed to enemy fire. The opposing bank looks as though it is covered in trees. Trees in which Taliban could have them enveloped in a field of firepower. Whose idea was it to put them into such a precarious situation. No wonder our casualty rate has gone up this year.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 09/22/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 60 fans permalink

Bring Our Troops Home from this atrocity !!!
Enough is Enough is Enough !!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 09/22/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 80 fans permalink

It is really all very simple. Regardless of how the leak happened, this is an assessment that was made by McChrystal and meant for Obama only. That is where it started and where it should have ended. The fact that an American Army General who has been schooled more often than not in Secrecy matters allowed his opinion to be filched and spread all over the news, then that is a very poor Army Officer much less a General. If he can't be counted on to keep his mouth shut then how can he be counted on to do the job there in Afghanistan. It is as simple as that. I can see this very same General chewing out some lower ranker for making the very same mistake he did and taking away the guys rank and locking him up. Believe me it does happen and has. Why should he be treated any differently.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 09/22/2009
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I like most liberals assume that government leaks are not really leaks, but scheduled propaganda.

Thought control brainwash being the lubricant that gets things done in a capitalist dictatorship.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 09/22/2009
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 45 fans permalink

Your assumption is correct, sir. It is a hoary old trick. Pres Washington's operatives probably advised him to govern by leak. It may not yet be known if or how often Washington attempted to govern by leak but some skilled scholars probably discovered, documented & published these instances in an article in a periodical [of any sort from general or scholarly interest], monograph(s), or multi-volume works. In the event that Washington wasn't caught or really didn't govern by leaks, skilled scholars have found the 1st POTUS, Cabinet Member, US Congress or US politician of any sort who attemped to govern by leaks & recorded each instance of attempting to govern by leaks. An adept user of current search engine will find these facts.
Not all crooks are politicians but a large number of politicians are wily crooks, theives & liars. These skills can build a carreer for an astute politician.
It's true that Richard M Nixon was forced to resign as POTUS because he was far less than honest about an attempt at burglary or burglaries at offices of Democrats during his aborted terms of office as POTUS when his lies, aka untruths, were discovered & published but that was unusal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 09/22/2009
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Not an easy decision either way.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 09/22/2009
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For men of wealth and leisure it’s easy just bomb away. For us men of labor it’s take what comes your way.

But for you men of intelligence among the middleclass who could go either way, its excessive wealth or poverty, what do you say?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 09/22/2009
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Afghanistan is all about a pipeline and who gets all the black gold pressurized in it that will flow for generations to come.

And so, Empire USA, Russia and China each get a forth. And a forth goes to the Afghan people in the form of infrastructure, roads, schools, mass transit, that sort of thing.

My how dreams look so grand and doable on paper.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 09/22/2009
- ydrittmann I'm a Fan of ydrittmann 12 fans permalink

Fourth?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 09/22/2009
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But if we slow and careful thinking laboring men can't tell the difference, why sweat it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 09/22/2009

There is an out for Afganistan, allow the Taliban back into power and broker the aid to support them.

This won't be pretty:

We give them:
1. An end of a 25 year war
2. Removal of minefields
3. AId for Schools (for boys anyway) and roads
4. Recognition of an Islamic Republic, no more political undermining, and its what they want anyway

We get in return:

1. A government less corrupt and more stable than the one we put there
2. A promise to stop terrorist training camps in their borders
3. World recognition of an Islamic Republic
4. Secure border with Pakistan
5. Let the Afgans rule as they choose, not as we dictate.
6. Western acceptance of a different lifestyle will reduce the grudges that produce terrorists

They get in return

1. Not the best policy for women and girls (but consistant with Saudi Arabia)
2. The opium trade will continue to flourish, (it is their only economy, we'll have to legalize it)
3. The illiteracy rate will continue to be the highest in the world, but they want it that way
4. The world's first recognition of an Islamist republic,

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/22/2009
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Agreed, there is an abundance in it for us, but not a penny of profit in it for the rich multinationals who rule over us. So throw a little gold in the pot and see it up in the ivory towers they go for it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 09/22/2009
- PaiaGirl I'm a Fan of PaiaGirl 110 fans permalink
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The Taliban are expansionist nutcases. This won't work.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 09/22/2009
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Well thought out and shows reason... I like your thinking!

But you forgot the pipeline and the unicorns...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 09/22/2009
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Another thought:

Isn't that what we had before we went in there?

Best just to leave and spend the money getting our own house in order.

Hmmm...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 09/22/2009
- OldTart I'm a Fan of OldTart 26 fans permalink
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I would suggest a few things:

The military answer is always going to be more troops, more war. They are trained fighters. Kinda like the only tool in the toolbox being a hammer, every problem is seen as a nail. That is why it is best for any nation for its leader to be from a nonmilitary background and for the military to be but one tool at the disposal of the leader.

I'd also suggest that since the original move into Afghanistan was poorly, improperly and incompletely executed (and perhaps nothing more would have made a difference, given the history of Afghanistan), it bears consideration that all the money that has been thrown in that direction could have beefed up intelligence in ways beyond knowing, and this intelligence would prevent "another 9/11" more effectively and more credibly than this very costly and dubious activity.

Further, I would suggest that Afghanistan will never have a central government, does not want a central government, does not need a central government, does not need to meet the criteria of a western democracy or any other country for that matter. We need to respect their history, values and wishes instead of trying to make them vassals of someone else's reign.

Lastly, I would say that if the US is so impoverished of effective ways to combat terrorism in a technologically sophisticated world, there are issues here much larger than Al Queda and terrorism, and we had better address those post haste.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 09/22/2009
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But to address the larger issues in our homeland would reduce profit. Reform healthcare would reduce its 2.3 trillion gross profit. End the privatizing of government own schools and utilities and private contractors lose profit. Build mass transit and any business where the rubber meets the road will lose profit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 09/22/2009
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For we must make up our mind, do we want democracy to protect people, or capitalism that can only protect profit?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 09/22/2009
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I disagree with your "non-military President" premise.

*E.g., Eisenhower was a great man and President. He wanted nothing to do with Vietnam, or the military-industrial complex. It was Kennedy to the lesser and Johnson to the greater who got us in that mess.

*In the 20th century all of our wars have been escalated by those with no personal combat experience. And were interestingly, with the exception of the Bush's, done so by Democrats.

*It is easy to armchair quarterback and send men to die when you have never been there. When you have, you will not do so lightly.
*Hitler was a politician, despite his reprehensible beliefs, a damn effective one. When he became commander of his armies he was incompetent, letting narcissim, emotion and special interest taint command decisions. Had he been able to shut up and let his generals lead, we would all be speaking German.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 09/22/2009
- OldTart I'm a Fan of OldTart 26 fans permalink
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Eisenhower got lucky with the Cold War. However, it is very true that his experience as a warrior gave him insight and, in his case, wisdom regarding use of the military. He dared to call out the military-industrial complex, but only as he was leaving office. Few military men have that ability to be objective. At another point in American history, his story might be considerably different.

As for the others, I would insist that they listened too closely to their military advice, which it would be hard to avoid. Especially if there is no one with vision on the opposing side. (A reason for a president to select a diverse range in his cabinet and administration.) The political party is merely a matter of caprice when world events escalate and, in any case, both parties are involved in these declarations of war, except for Bush, the exception you name.

As for the hypothesis regarding Hitler, it is impossible to determine the result of this scenario. In a different Germany, he would not have had the success he did. But if we were all speaking German, would that be so bad? I think we have to move off the paradigm that we are the best, brightest, only, etc. We are being outnumbered and we'd better get ready for the inevitable change, which may be a very good thing. Who knows?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 09/22/2009
- ydrittmann I'm a Fan of ydrittmann 12 fans permalink

Truman and Kennedy had combat experience.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 09/22/2009
- Fretchen I'm a Fan of Fretchen 6 fans permalink

You certainly do not understand the military mind set. As the ones who are being asked to fight and die, we are the last to ask for "more war."

I spent more than 30 years in the army and have never heard a single officer state we need "more war." We do not commit ourselves to combat, civilian authorities do that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 09/22/2009
- RexOzone I'm a Fan of RexOzone 28 fans permalink
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Could we try leaving in our wake, medicines and building materials and other substantial tokens of our infection rather than just drones and a legacy of nation building that did quite the opposite. Giving the Afghans the support of real ownership might give them the ability to thwart any comers, Taliban, Al Queda or even Exxon.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 09/22/2009
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We want nation building, pride of ownership, peace and an end to war, the rich multinations want pipelines, black oil flowing in pipelines and a military to protect pipelines. So I guess its pipelines.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 09/22/2009
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Like we did in New Orleans?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 09/22/2009
- OldTart I'm a Fan of OldTart 26 fans permalink
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"Tokens of our infection"? How perfectly appropriate!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 09/22/2009

Perhaps we haven't sent the right kind of troops into Afghanistan. Lets send in the George W. Bush brigade, made up exclusively of graduates from these K-12 "Christian Academy" indoctrination centers. With their deity backing them, how could they lose?
We could also supply them with a Neo-Con/C Street "braintrust" to oversee things. Relocate the whole lot to Kabul.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 09/22/2009

Pure, unfiltered, 100% liquid hate.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 09/22/2009
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Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, The British, Russians, now us (among many other cultures), have all tried to control Afghanistan. And become exhausted doing so.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

The war is about a pipeline from Uzbekistan to the Persian Gulf and keeping the price of opium high.

If we really wanted to thwart "The War On Terror" we would divorce Isreal. They started it. Let the Zionists and the Muslims slug it out.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 09/22/2009
- Steamboater I'm a Fan of Steamboater 164 fans permalink
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Israel is to blame fo rthe ills of the world huh. Better to divorce you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 09/22/2009
- sixchair I'm a Fan of sixchair 28 fans permalink

I have the solution. Really.

Taliban is funded by poppies. Poppy fields are easy to spot, can't hide behind women and children and aren't particularly mobile. Collateral damage is zero.

1. Threaten Napalm or
2. (preferably) Napalm

Taliban needs a real job. Arguments, please?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 09/22/2009
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Been there, done that...

Tried that in South America and Indochina, doesn't work.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 09/22/2009
- Lyceum I'm a Fan of Lyceum 22 fans permalink

The following U.S. wars have been "limited" wars:

Vietnam
Afghanistan
Iraq

You cannot fight a limited war against an entrenched local civilian population that is determined to resist.

Either you declar all out war and decimate the country, then occupy it, like with Japan and Germany after World War II, or you allow low level conflict to continue for years.

If Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are not in Afghanistan, then we should leave, quickly. We have no business being involved in a war of attrition.

The real question should be: are we going to allow Pakistan to continue to harbor Bin Laden?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 09/22/2009
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Hear! Hear!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 09/22/2009
- OldTart I'm a Fan of OldTart 26 fans permalink
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Or is Ben Laden merely a figurehead and one that is outgrown? This needs review. But the Pakistan situation is really pressing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 09/22/2009
- USA2Sense I'm a Fan of USA2Sense 5 fans permalink

Here! Here!.....­........we need to get OUT of Afghanistan as soon as possible and completely - before that country becomes the catalyst to bringing our country down to it's level....

Read "Caravans" by James Michener - and NO ONE will want to go to - or be in - Afghanistan....

Because of tribal custom and law - this country will never be controlled.......if Speznatz couldn't bring it down - we sure as heck can't......and it would be a bigger travesty on the American people - if the government continues to try.....

Pull out the Americans ASAP - and let the country implode on itself!!! Which it willl!!! Just like Iraq will!!! and just like Iran will!!! - we have no business trying to run other countries - when we can't even run our own!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 09/22/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Don't forget Somalia.......Hey, we still have soldiers in Korea. And why do we still have soldiers in Germany (makes no sense, whatsoever)?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 09/22/2009
- iplaw I'm a Fan of iplaw 26 fans permalink

I ask that question weekly. We have somewhere on the order of 100,000 soldiers in Germany, Japan and Korea. Bringing them home would go a long way toward cutting the deficit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 09/22/2009
- gfs5541 I'm a Fan of gfs5541 26 fans permalink
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On the subject of sending more troops into Afghanistan: It didn't work for the British; It didn't work for the Russians so why would it work for us?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 09/22/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Stop asking a intelligent question that a libertaria­n/conserva­tive like myself can't answer....­.....There­fore, as retribution, you go to the nearest video store and rent "Patton" and all John Wayne war movies immediately.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 09/22/2009
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