Half Of Madoff Clients Technically Made Money

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LARRY NEUMEISTER | 09/22/09 06:43 PM | AP

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NEW YORK — Federal prosecutors said Tuesday that a review of most accounts held by financier Bernard Madoff's customers when he was arrested shows that about half of the customers had not lost money because they withdrew more money than they originally invested.

Prosecutors made the revelation as they told a judge in court papers that there was no need to order restitution because all of Madoff's assets will be distributed to investors through forfeiture requirements.

As part of their filing in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, they summarized the findings of a court-appointed trustee who is calculating how much investors lost so it can be decided how to divide up assets that are recovered.

The government said a search of financial records, including microfilm records dating back to 1979, show that investors suffered net losses exceeding $13 billion. In all, 15,870 claims have been made to the trustee by those seeking a share of any recovered money.

The court document said there were approximately 8,094 customer accounts held by Madoff's private investment business from at least 2000 through December 2008. At the time of his Dec. 11 arrest, there were 4,902 active customer accounts, the government said.

Most of the customers who had current accounts have made claims with the trustee, prosecutors wrote. Of those, nearly 50 percent had a net loss, meaning they contributed more funds to their accounts than they withdrew, while about half had no net loss because they withdrew more funds than they contributed, prosecutors said.

The court filing said that about 83 of the active customer accounts were held by investment funds that put their clients' money with Madoff.

Authorities have identified more than $1 billion in assets that can be distributed to victims.

Madoff, 71, was sentenced to 150 years in prison after he oversaw the manufacturing of fake financial statements to support his claims that investor accounts had swelled in value to $65 billion last November when there actually was only several hundred million dollars left.

His multi-decade fraud destroyed thousands of people's life savings, wrecked charities and shook confidence in the financial system. He carried it out even as he seemed among Wall Street's elite. He served for a time as a Nasdaq chairman and survived scrutiny several times from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

At his sentencing, prosecutors secured a $171 billion forfeiture order which mirrors the amount they estimate that flowed in and out of Madoff's investment business over the decades.

NEW YORK — Federal prosecutors said Tuesday that a review of most accounts held by financier Bernard Madoff's customers when he was arrested shows that about half of the customers had not lost m...
NEW YORK — Federal prosecutors said Tuesday that a review of most accounts held by financier Bernard Madoff's customers when he was arrested shows that about half of the customers had not lost m...
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I will say majority of them knew. I find it hard to believe these rich were stupid. Now they want to play dumb. They all knew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 09/27/2009

technically so did the bankers on Wall Street even if they cost the rest of the world $26 trillion plus plus workers livelihoods.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 09/26/2009
- GreenN10 I'm a Fan of GreenN10 2 fans permalink

Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.

good articles: http://www.iamned.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 09/26/2009

That 50% can thank the 50% that LOST everything . . . the magic of a balanced Ponzi scheme . . . .gotta keep the spread workin'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 09/25/2009
- Jazz88105 I'm a Fan of Jazz88105 10 fans permalink

Well that is what you get when you don't question the amount your making on any given investment when you make 50,70 or 100 % return and never take a loss you have to know the deal is dirty. I have no sympathy I hope the government goes after the investors for money that was made over and above the the original investments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 09/24/2009

its not a crime to be a victim of fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 09/25/2009
- sammy cole I'm a Fan of sammy cole 2 fans permalink

I feel COMPLETELY OUTRAGED that anyone who invested for a return ....for INCOME could be considered as having LOST NOTHING if their INCOME DRAWS were MORE than the sum of their original investment. This is OUTRAGEOUS. These people didn't invest in some sort of ANNUITY that stops paying after X number of years. People invested assuming obviously there would be SOME RISK but NEVER EVER assuming that the INCOME DRAWS would reduce their principal to ZERO. However this mess is sliced and diced up.......e­veryone who invested with Madoff was completely DUPED, absolutely NO ONE came out ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 09/24/2009
- bluevase I'm a Fan of bluevase 9 fans permalink

So?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 09/25/2009
- ncdeb6 I'm a Fan of ncdeb6 2 fans permalink
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Well, you have a point - but, considering the investing was bogus and there never was any true income generated from their original investment, they should be entitled to that sum LESS the 10% or so that they received every year. That would probably mean they OWE some money - so maybe they better be happy they didn't lose the whole pot like many others did who left their money invested to compound. This should be a good lesson for everyone to never put all your eggs in one basket - especially when it looks too good to be true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 09/27/2009

Of course. That's why they call it a zero-sum game...wel­l until Bernie took his Vig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 09/24/2009

DOJ should recover every red cent of public money lost from whatever the clever and greedy half have made.

let the dumb and greedy other half sue the clever and greey half

over whatevercrumb may be left to oblivion,

for all we care, LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 09/24/2009
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 278 fans permalink
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So he had not got around to robbing the over half yet ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 09/24/2009
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Not to sound like an uncaring fella, but I have not experienced one iota of feelings toward the people who lost money (Of course that is not true when it comes to the educational funds that lost out). These people know that when you invest money, there is always a risk. If they were not so greedy, and blinded by greed, they might have taken a closer look at where they were putting their money. Caveat Emptor!

I do find it interesting that even though, due to the great amount of people effected by his deception, that he was not given the death penalty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 09/24/2009

Let's not be surprised when we find out that many knew or suspected that fraud was taking place. But greed won over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/24/2009
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Yup...GREE­D! If only the seven deadly sins had been on their minds at the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 09/24/2009
- andhakari I'm a Fan of andhakari 7 fans permalink

It's the nature of pyramid scams that some investors make money; even a lot of money. They're the bait.
It's the suckers at the bottom of the pyramid that get crushed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 09/24/2009
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surprise?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 09/24/2009
- Freenation I'm a Fan of Freenation 25 fans permalink

all the profit makers should be forced to bail out the washout clients...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 09/23/2009
- 2tango I'm a Fan of 2tango 24 fans permalink

The Irony of all this "Saga" is that barnie screw his own people, and that was the Fatal Crime, that was the main reason why he got cruxify.

They (the-victims) were enjoying a good living for years, new-homes, Trips over seas, and the whole hoopla.

In the mid-while the Country was sinking, Just because common-thieves like all of Them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 09/23/2009
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His own people? Which people might they be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 09/24/2009

I'm going to go with "who are the Jews?", Alex. I'll take anti-semitic comments for $400.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 09/24/2009
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