Derivatives: Bailed-Out Banks Still Making Billions Off Risky Bets

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First Posted: 09-28-09 04:27 PM   |   Updated: 10- 1-09 10:01 AM

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Derivatives is one of the dirty words of the financial crisis. Though these often-risky bets were blamed by many for helping fuel the credit crunch and the downfall of Lehman Brothers and AIG, it seems that Wall Street has yet to learn its lesson.

U.S. commercial banks earned $5.2 billion trading derivatives in the second quarter of 2009, a 225 percent increase from the same period last year, according to the Treasury Department.

More than 1,100 banks now trade in derivatives, a 14 percent increase from last year. Four banks control the market: JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and Citibank account for 94 percent of the total derivatives reported to be held by U.S. commercial banks, according to national bank regulator the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency.

The credit risk posed by derivatives in the banking system now stands at $555 billion, a 37 percent increase from 2008. "By any standard these [credit] exposures remain very high," Kathryn E. Dick, the OCC's deputy comptroller for credit and market risk, said in a statement.

The complex financial instruments, which take the form of futures, forwards, options and swaps, derive their value from an underlying investment or commodity such as currency rates, oil futures and interest rates. They are designed to reduce the risk of loss for one party from the underlying asset.

Trading in an unregulated $600 trillion market, they were partly blamed for igniting the financial crisis a year ago. The New York Times reported earlier this month:

Derivatives drove the boom before 2008 by encouraging banks to make loans without adequate reserves. They also worsened the panic last fall because they inherently tie institutions together. Investors worried that the collapse of one bank would lead to big losses at others.

The Obama administration has included oversight of derivatives as part of its overhaul of financial regulations. Wall Street is fighting back as it seems to have returned to its much-criticized practices.

Last Thursday former Fed chairman Paul Volcker, who now heads the White House Economic Recovery Advisory Board, warned lawmakers about the danger lurking behind derivatives.

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Testifying on Capitol Hill, Volcker discussed how "opaque trading in complex derivatives [have] become so large relative to underlying assets" and how "more and more complex financial instruments limit the transparency of markets," he said.

"As a general matter, I would exclude from commercial banking institutions, which are potential beneficiaries of official (i.e., taxpayer) financial support, certain risky activities entirely suitable for our capital markets," he added.

But the OCC argues that derivatives trading is not inherently risky, explaining that banks are trading these instruments every minute of every day with institutions more creditworthy than a typical borrower.

"The system has always worked on derivatives," says Kevin M. Mukri, an OCC spokesman. "You have higher-quality counterparties -- higher quality than in any other line of business."

Furthermore, "the purpose of derivative trading to to mitigate risk -- not increase risk," he says. "Without derivatives it would be a very hectic marketplace."

Yet some well-respected investment banks seem to be exposed to significant risk, judging by their credit exposure from derivatives contracts.

Goldman Sachs, formerly a pure investment bank, is now a bank-holding company regulated by the Federal Reserve. It owns Goldman Sachs Bank, an FDIC-insured depository. The bank has about $20 billion in total risk-based capital -- in short, the money it has to cover creditors in case they go belly-up. But the bank has about $186 billion in total credit exposure from its derivatives contracts.

Much of that $186 billion could be backed up by collateral -- banks with at least $100 billion in assets held a combination of cash, bonds and securities against 63 percent of their total net credit exposure as of June 30. But the OCC doesn't break that down by institution, and Goldman Sachs doesn't disclose it either. Nonetheless, the bank's exposure to derivatives losses is about nine times the amount of capital it has set aside.

"It's extraordinary for a commercial bank," says Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a Washington D.C.-based think tank. "And it really gets down to the central point with Glass-Steagall -- what's the separation here between government-insured deposits and speculative investment banking activity? You'd be very hard pressed to find out with Goldman right now."

Glass-Steagall, a Depression-era banking law that prohibited commercial banks from engaging in the investment business, was essentially repealed in 1999. Some economists have pointed to the repeal as the central cause behind the financial crisis.

"Given Goldman Sachs's history as a securities firm, as opposed to being... a traditional commercial bank, you would expect that our derivatives exposure is higher than our exposure to other assets," says company spokesman Samuel Robinson. "It's much higher [because] we don't have a lot of these other assets."

Goldman Sachs announced that it would become a bank holding company last September, less than a week after Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy. Coming under the Federal Reserve's protective umbrella gave the firm "access to permanent liquidity and funding," Lloyd C. Blankfein, chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, said at the time.

Baker says that now that the firm is a bank holding company, the bank's exposure to losses from derivatives contracts (compared to available capital) poses particular problems. Now, "the public is on the hook for that. If they run into trouble they could go to the Fed and borrow at the discount window [and] they have access to the FDIC's special lending [program]," he explains. Goldman Sachs has issued about $25 billion in FDIC-backed debt as of June, according to regulatory filings.

"You're having the protections for what's supposed to be relatively boring commercial banking applied to risky investment banking. It's a real serious problem," Baker says.

Robinson says that the firm's exposure to potential losses from its derivatives deals, as defined by the OCC, is misleading. "It includes a regulatory-defined measure ... which in aggregate does not represent the firm's ... risk exposure," he says. For example, it doesn't factor in hedges against potential losses or collateral put up by counterparties.

"You can have an exposure that's fully hedged, but the hedging benefit does not appear anywhere in the [OCC's] analysis," Robinson says.

Last October Goldman received a $10 billion taxpayer bailout, which it repaid in June. The federal government earned $1.4 billion on its investment.

JPMorgan Chase has about three times the amount of their capital exposed in derivatives deals; Citibank about double. For comparison's sake, if all commercial and industrial loans held by U.S. banks went bust the banking system has just enough capital set aside to cover those losses.

Not all banks are so heavily invested in derivatives. PNC's exposure (relative to capital) is at 28 percent, and U.S. Bank, the country's sixth-largest by deposits, comes in at seven percent.

"It's tough to think of the world without derivatives," Mukri says. "And it's not a pleasant world either."

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Derivatives is one of the dirty words of the financial crisis. Though these often-risky bets were blamed by many for helping fuel the credit crunch and the downfall of Lehman Brothers and AIG, it seem...
Derivatives is one of the dirty words of the financial crisis. Though these often-risky bets were blamed by many for helping fuel the credit crunch and the downfall of Lehman Brothers and AIG, it seem...
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RobNYNY1957
I'm not sure how $555 billion of derivatives turns into a $600 trillion market. If the larger number includes interest rate hedging or currency hedging, you're comparing apples to giraffes. The... more >>

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we also should separate commercial and investment banks again. The commercial banks would not be allowed to make such investments, Their accounts etc. would have the FDIC insurance. The... more >>

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- ash711 I'm a Fan of ash711 4 fans permalink
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In 2007, the top 50 hedge fund managers made a average of 590 million dollars each. The top hedge fund manager made 3.7 billion for himself betting that the housing bubble would pop(His name is John Paulson). It is interesting to note that Mr. Paulson in 2008 had some of the top hedge fund returns by SHORTING BANK STOCKS. What is even more disgusting is that Mr. Paulson paid only 15% taxes on his 3.7 billion windfall due to favorable tax status due to our wonderful politicians. While ordinary americans pay personal income tax rates of up to 35%, when you "earn" 3.7 billion and have friends in Washington, you only have to pay a 15% tax rate for all "YOUR HARD WORK." Folks class warfare has gone on since Reagan and trickle down economics, YOUR GOVERNMENT AND WALLSTREET are at
war with 95% of its people. With the latest 13 Trillion of printing money to bail the banks out, besides people losing 40% of their retirement in the stock market, the value of the dollar will soon allow Americans to wipe their asses with dollars due to all the printing of money(inflation). It is truly sad what has been done to America in the name of Capitalism. Milton Friedman and the Chicago School has destroyed the american way of life for 99% of Americans. How sad.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 10/03/2009
- ash711 I'm a Fan of ash711 4 fans permalink
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Some basic truths about Americans financial system:

1. In its basic form, it is just a complex PONZI SCHEME.

2. No terrorist has ever done the type of damage that Wallstreet has done to the average citizen.
Bin Ladin is a light weight compared to Goldman Sachs and the other investment banks.
Wallstreet and hedge funds are the true terrorist for an average american. If you lost 40% of
your retirement in the stock market, then you were terrorized.

3. Wallstreet does not create any value for what they do. They take a mortgage derivitive that is a piece of garbage and with the help of the rating agencies(they rate it a triple A) and now you have gold.

4. While world GDP is 55 Trillion, the derivitives market is 600 Trillion in size. A expert on derivatives, Satyajit Das, knew it was a GAINT PONZI SCHEME and wrote about a PROBABLE MARKET MELTDOWN IN EARLY 2007. In Mr. Das's book "Traders, Guns, and Money" he states: "No money is ever really made in financial markets. Markets merely transfer wealth. As to how to make money? Well, it is basically theft, misrepresentation, lies, cheating,deception or force. It is impossible to make the staggering amounts made in derivatives in good years honestly." This guy use to train derivatives traders.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 10/03/2009
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The strong profits of both Goldman and JP in the second quarter were based on trading activities. Goldman's other businesses were down versus year earlier figures, and JP's trading profits offset large loan/asset write-down­s/provisio­ns. I have seen nothing that suggests meaningful action to better regulate the financial sector. Initiatives under way are all flawed and do not fundamentally change the conditions that enabled the financial crisis. Each day that passes without real action pushes us further away from the urgency that many felt in the wake of the Lehman collapse. We are vulnerable to a repeat

Joseph Tibman
Author, "The Murder of Lehman Brothers, An Insider's Look at the Global Meltdown"
lehmanbook­.blogspot.­com
twitter.co­m/josephti­bman

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 09/30/2009
- bobsee I'm a Fan of bobsee 18 fans permalink

No one would be selling derivatives they could not cover had they not have been bailed out. AIG should have been liquidated to cover their ill deeds. Instead the media has convinced everyone that it was necessary for you and I to pay for their actions while they continue their actions and continue to hand out bonuses.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 09/30/2009
- josephXY I'm a Fan of josephXY 5 fans permalink

The failure of the media in the financial mess should not be ignored. It's less now, but many
keep fooling on and on as if nothing had happened.
That's what the media / expert hype looked like in 06 / 07:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 09/30/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 256 fans permalink

Nothing will improve till

All contributions are Bribery.

Free prime time air time for all candidates on the ballot.

a small travel stipend.

Big money can buy all the advertising they want.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 09/29/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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I have said this before but i think I will repeat it. Re-instate Glass-Steagall, it should never have been repealed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 09/29/2009
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Also, arrest some people. During the 1980s savings and loan scandal, which is dwarfed by this derivatives scandal, around $3,000 Wall Streeters and bankers did jail or prison time. We need to get moving.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 09/29/2009
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We created the monster Wall Street--now we must have the courage to destroy it before it destroys us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 09/29/2009
- hulagirrrl I'm a Fan of hulagirrrl 40 fans permalink
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They know the taxpayer has their back, so no worries mate....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 09/29/2009
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And just because Bush created the monster doesn't give Obama an excuse to not destroy it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 09/29/2009
- bobsee I'm a Fan of bobsee 18 fans permalink

Actually it was Clinton who signed the bill repealing Glass Steagal.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 09/30/2009
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The worlds' strongest economies must be those built upon a strong manufacturing sector.

The world's weakest economy must be built upon speculation, derivatives, swaps. It is valuations configured from the ether; so much like a mirage in the desert.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 09/29/2009
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That is, conjured from the ether.

Let us not produce a measurable thing; a product that we can use.

Let us, instead, make a risky bet! Sure, bully for us, because we have still figured out a way to extract money from the machine!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 09/29/2009
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You think being involved in manufacturing a product is not a risky bet?

Think again.

To sell products, there has to be financing. For there to be financing, there has to be Wall Street.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 09/29/2009

We know already that 95% of the wealth in this country is controlled by less than 5% of the population.

What happens when they grab the last 5% from us?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 09/29/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 233 fans permalink
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Please sign this petition. This is our last chance. If we cannot stop them now we are absolutely doomed. This is our LAST CHANCE before TOTAL NATIONAL ECONOMIC SUICIDE when they take the last 5% and the people of the United States have NOTHING BUT SYSTEMIC GRINDING POVERTY.

(HR 1207) The Federal Reserve Transparency Act and (S604) The Federal Reserve Sunshine Act

http://www.auditthefed.com/

Catherine Austin Fitts: Her personal story
http://dunwalke.com/

Catherine Austin Fitts on Goldman Sachs (06/09)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbjPHwBVCSU

Catherine Austin Fitts IRTA Barter Convention (09/08)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5455605137215634518#

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 09/29/2009

We are the dumbest and most gluttonous country in the world. Never in our history has America been manipulated and run by the most short-sighted people. We are doomed! I hope you will all prepare for what is inevitably going to happen.....Our complete collapse as a society! It is coming and unfortunately, it will happen because no one will have the courage nor the support to stop it. By 2012, 50% of America will be living in poverty. By 2016, it will be 80%. Unemployment will top 25% and 95% will have zero net worth. Those who will be lucky enough to have jobs will barely be able to make enough to pay for food and shelter. Violent crime rates will triple to what they are now nationally and the religious zealots will have new recruits by the millions. America will involve itself in a major war that will kill millions of people when all is said and done. This war will be justified as a war of survival and will be the only course of action to combat the economic hardship the country will be mired in.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 09/29/2009

And yet, I'm optimistic that we can avoid this scenario but seeing the way my fellow citizens think and behave, doesn't leave me much to hope for.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 09/29/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 233 fans permalink
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Time is certainly running out. I voted for President Obama and I like him as a human being very much. But we need a full court press on Wall Street and I do not see it happening. There must be absolutely fierce war paint new regulation. We must reinstate Glass-Steagall. We must take the bad banks into fierce iron fisted receivership. We must ruthlessly break up the banks that are deemed "too big to fail". We must get tough. If this does not happen there will be a new huge grass roots political party formed for economic reform and economic justice in the United States by county overnight via Internet technology. It's candidates will be funded directly by the people using Internet 2.0 communication on the cheap. It will bypass conventional Corporate interest funded candidates and MSM advertising and it will win elections without them.

I call it the American Economic Reform Party (AER). The Party Symbol can be a Zebra as in an Economic Referee to straighten this insane mess out! Enough is enough. Forget brain dead right wing talk radio and their banjo player tea parties. Forget business as usual Wall Street fat cat insider Democrats.

Organize at the ballot box and take this country back. This is class war. Call it what it is. Everyone must educate themselves, their family, and their friends on the economic issues and put on war paint to take this country back through informed knowledge and action.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 09/29/2009

I'm down with SpoAct, it's time for a good ole fashion REVOLT. We tried talking & playing fair & no one hears us nor do they care to hear instead they mow right over us & I'm so very tired of all the games. I used to tell myself & my daughter that hard work pays off but it's looking like the money I'm spending on sending us both to college will be met with no rewards because it's all been plundered by the greedy so let's just take down them way they've taken us all down

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 09/29/2009
- Adartist777 I'm a Fan of Adartist777 101 fans permalink
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If the investment banks fail again, there won't be any more bailouts unless they go to China for them. Our government can't afford to protect bad behavior on Wall Street.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 09/29/2009
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The bailout is actually very cheap versus the cost of what would have happened without it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/29/2009

the bailout only delayed what should have happened, which is purge all the bad debt and corporations.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 09/29/2009
- bobsee I'm a Fan of bobsee 18 fans permalink

sure, keep toting the goldman line. You should be hung with the rest of them sonofsam.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 AM on 09/30/2009
- willt7311 I'm a Fan of willt7311 120 fans permalink
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Let me tell you what companies understand and what will motivate them to change their ways.

Losses, huge losses. The banks didn't have to deal with losses because they got bailed out.

Why would they change their ways when they didn't have to suffer the consequences?

Why would they change their ways when GSE's continue to do the same thing?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 09/29/2009
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You know, it may be false that bankers are simply continuing in their old ways.

Nobody can tell me which bank will originate the million-dollar exotic subprime jumbo I truly want and need. I just need the name of one bank. Since they are creating new derivatives and trading them, they could just do what they were doing, which would be to put my jumbo into one, or several of them, lie about it being AAA, and sell it so some unwitting, silver-haired lady.

Why cannot anybody tell where I can get this done? Before Obama became President, I could easily have gotten that done.

So nothing has changed, right, so where do I go to get my jumbo?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 09/29/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 233 fans permalink
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So what happens when that silver haired lady is my saintly 88 year old mother who dies in the gutter because her pension fund that lent you the jumbo mortgage is vaporized when the MBS goes toxic? What happens then when I hack the MERS computer system and find out where you live? What happens then when my military training and muscle memory kicks in that was developed at great taxpayer expense?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 09/29/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 233 fans permalink
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Sure. There is no easy money jumbo mortgage market for you right now like there once was because the MBS securitization game has now blown up. But that is bust market conditions not President Obama. The unregulated scam machinery will now go to another angle and put the system at risk. Commercial banks, investment banks, security dealers, and insurance companies must have a financial and regulatory firewall between them. It was called the Glass-Steagall Act. It now does not exist.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 09/29/2009
- sueno I'm a Fan of sueno 12 fans permalink

Where are the 'people' or 'clowns' who made-up derivatives at????
Why aren't they in jail, and the millions that they swindled, given back????
Wall Street and its bankers are still making money
due to derivatives pay-outs still taking place.
Wall St. continues to prove that its all about 'the' money
and get as much as possible, until you get caught-

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 09/29/2009
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Why isn't anything remotely related to what would be considered a rational, just response to getting your eye teeth ripped out of your head, being done?

It is because of the madding circular relationship between the perpetrators of this outrageous behavior, and the "you-do-fo­r-me-and-k­eep-those-­campaign-c­ontributio­n-support-­checks-com­ing-in"
paid-off-toadie politicians on Capital Hill. Not all politicians, mind you, but the ones that take their checks from the corporate sponsors, and do mostly NOTHING, for Main St.!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 09/29/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 233 fans permalink
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Yep. That is about it.

Please sign this petition. This is our last chance. If we cannot stop them now we are absolutely doomed. This is our LAST CHANCE before TOTAL NATIONAL ECONOMIC SUICIDE when they take the last 5% and the people of the United States have NOTHING BUT SYSTEMIC GRINDING POVERTY.

(HR 1207) The Federal Reserve Transparency Act and (S604) The Federal Reserve Sunshine Act

http://www.auditthefed.com/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 09/29/2009
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