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First Posted: 10- 2-09 02:07 PM   |   Updated: 10- 2-09 03:06 PM

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Doctors, administrators, patients and other Washington state residents responded to a Huffington Post request Thursday for first-hand stories about the state's Basic Health program.

The state's plan entered the national health care debate on Thursday when an amendment modeled on it was adopted by the Senate Finance Committee.

The measure, championed by Washington Democrat Sen. Maria Cantwell, is as close as the conservative committee got to a public health insurance option for consumers who want an alternative to private insurance coverage.

HuffPost's unscientific survey indicates that residents who are or who have been covered by the plan are satisfied with it. But many can't get in; one referred to it as the "holy grail." The plan is massively underfunded and a frequent target of budget cuts. Washingtonians who meet the eligibility requirements face a waiting list that is 38,000 people long and getting longer.

An employee of one of the organizations that administers Basic Health wrote in, requesting anonymity because he couldn't speak for the program. The budget cuts have it under intense pressure. "They've talked about several different ideas as to how they'll choose which people are going to lose their coverage, but I'm not sure whether they've chosen one," he wrote.

Cantwell spokesperson Ciaran Clayton said that taking the program national would ease the funding crisis because federal money would be combined with whatever the state kicked in.

Jeffrey Lee, a family physician, said he has extensive experience with Basic Health. "The plan is true to its name. It's very basic, and still leaves a lot of things uncovered," he said, echoing other readers. "But it's been a godsend for patients who don't qualify for Medicaid, yet have no insurance through their employer."

Lee practices at a community clinic in Seattle, which he said has resorted to paying some poor patients' premiums for them, to keep them on the program. Someone who loses Basic Health now is unlikely to get it back any time in the near future.

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DJ Wilson, who runs Wilson Strategic Communications, wrote that he represents 600 physicians, several health plans and Children's Hospital in Washington. He previously worked for the Health Care Authority, the state agency that runs Basic Health. "I think the BHP works really quite well," he wrote. "The challenge is - as always - funding. This last year, we moved to cut a number of slots, but ended up raising premiums instead - a good trade off in the end.... The basic model of the BHP is that the state fixes a benefit package, and then based upon funding, determines how many 'slots' of eligibility there are that can receive the benefit plan. It has a narrow eligibility pool -- like the Cantwell amendment -- but it works very well for many of our families which would otherwise be among the 'working uninsured.'"

A number of readers wrote in to say that they are among those 'working uninsured' who make too much money to qualify but not enough to afford private insurance.

Many of those that are in count it as a blessing. "My family has been subscribing to the Basic Health plan here in Washington state for 5 or 6 years now, and it works just fine," wrote someone who identified himself only as Peter. "We currently pay $45 per month, but that's going down to $34 after my most recent re-certification. As a full-time college student, my income drops during the school year when I go to part-time status at my job, and the re-cert takes this into account. We have a $15 co-pay for office visits, a $100 co-pay for ER visits, prescription coverage, and a cap on out-of-pocket expenses per year. No dental; no vision; but all in all it's not bad."

Many who liked the plan cautioned that it shouldn't be seen as an alternative to a robust, national public option. "I LOVE basic health, (it has helped me a lot, and helped my mom tremendously), [but] I feel that basic health is NOT a replacement for the public option," wrote Frank.

After being on the waitlist for roughly a year, Andrea and her husband made it onto Basic just in time, they wrote. "A few months after we got our coverage, I learned I had to have a hysterectomy. Basic Health inquired as to whether the condition, fibroid tumors, was pre-existing. While it probably was, because those things don't show up overnight, I hadn't known about it, and they didn't argue. My share of the over $20,000 bill was about $1,200 or so, as I recall," she wrote. "It seemed reasonable at the time and we were very thankful we had managed to get insured."

If she were applying today, however, she'd still be waiting.


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Doctors, administrators, patients and other Washington state residents responded to a Huffington Post request Thursday for first-hand stories about the state's Basic Health program. The state's plan ...
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Why don't they just photocopy the Congressional health benefits and put that into the bill? Seems easy enough to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 10/04/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 69 fans permalink

I hope Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Schumer and the rest of the fill my coffers please gang enjoy their pay off and their good Healthcare Insurance!
I know where I stand with these elected officials and I do hope most of the American citizenry also know !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 10/04/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 69 fans permalink

I really hope that Baucus and Conrad enjoy their pay off and let us not forget Ms. Lincoln of Arkansas Shuster and the rest !!
I think this is in the avenue of being a traitor to the American citizenry !!!!!
Thanks For Nothing !!
Happy Election Day !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 10/04/2009
- rad21 I'm a Fan of rad21 22 fans permalink

Insurance companies are too busy making a profit - excluding people with pre-existing conditions and dropping them off when they are sick. They also waste money through extravagant compensation packages for top management; and hiring actuaries to risk-assess individuals they cover. Medicare has the greatest variation in population with risks - from very healthy to sick, and those with multiple pre-existing conditions. Yet all in Medicare pay the same for insurance. Overhead cost for Medicare is 4%; while its 15%-25% for private insurance.

Because of multiple insurance players in a "market place", none have the desire and ability to provide healthcare in an organized manner to the community they serve. A public system provides greater coordination and responsibility with individuals who can be held publicly accountable and "where the buck stops".

The new healthcare system should deny non-emergency care (including ER visits) without a healthcare card (preferable) or cash down-payment. The former payment mechanism ensures a primary care provider. Thus all are 'forced' into healthcare for good preventive and follow-up care.

Among lies of private insurance industry: they subsidize govt programs. With healthcare costs in the US twice / person compared to other peer countries, insurance companies are not subsidizing govt. costs. They, in cahoots with the hospitals are improperly managing healthcare and its costs; and sticking it to the captive consumers.

This is all done with the political blessings (a.k.a campaign contributions) of the states' health and insurance commissioners.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 10/04/2009
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 38 fans permalink

Change is hard and so is reengineering major segments of the economy that have been in place as is since the early to middle part of the 1900’s. The biggest change with the information age was, well information! This means that low value to no value middle players need to change their game or go out of business. Unless of course they are the health care industry. Every industry except, Health Care, Energy and Defense have gone through this change and all roads point to the last and most powerful industries who have rigged the game to repress the people and suppress innovation. The automakers learned this lesson the hard way. Right now, the Health Insurance business has a negative value proposition when looked at objectively. Read: It is better not to have them than to have them. Leaving these bloated behemoths in our county as is simply continues to strangle us as a nation and sap all resources like a cancer from any other noble effort. Just because they have hired a bunch of lawyers, namely our congress to keep the status quo or to give the perception of change, we need real leadership to sometimes drive an impactful outcome. This was true in businesses that came out the other side to flourish and can be true with our country. You drive it through no matter what, gain strength from the victory and show the ex-powerful the door.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 10/04/2009
- cruisin1 I'm a Fan of cruisin1 4 fans permalink

When the President says the Baccus bill is a "first step" toward reform, I hope he means by getting that crap out of the way.

The public option is everything, because otherwise Obama and his party will have mandated us the same private insurance industry that is guilty of jacking up prices, denying care and under insuring people ALL in the name of profit.

Co-ops are a joke to both parties. Insurance companies have lucrative days on Wall Street every time the public option flat lines in the discourse.

We can't let this happen.

We can't put our health in the hands of Conrad and Baccus who are more fearful of offending their contributors than their voters.

We need to flood the phone lines. We need to spend that extra 5 minutes on the White House comment line and make it clear....

NO PUBLIC OPTION....NO RE-ELECTION!

The Democrats will pay with their seats, as will the leader and leaders of their party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 AM on 10/04/2009

I think it's time we democrats face the facts that our party is full of spineless wimps.
This health care reform bill is going to be nothing more than a windfall for the insurance companies. They don't know how to fight for the majority of the people who wants real reform. They let the rethugs push them around and they give in every time. Bottom line is unless Obama really start for fight for a real public option, It will not happen. Now they talking about giving jail time if you don't buy this over priced insurance. AHAHA! get ready for the jail's to really overflow with people.. This is just sick!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 10/04/2009
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BILL FRIST ENDORSEMENT TELLS YOU HOW CORRUPT THE DICTATED BAUCUS PLAN IS:

1. $Half a Trillion to Insurers! 30 to 40 Million Paying Clients!
2. NO COMPETITION COST SAVINGS in a so called Capitalist System!
3. A Scrap! A Bone of the Public Option tossed out the Back Door to the Masses!
4. No Choices for 180 Million Americans - Still mostly Monopolies = No Private + Public Marketplace
5. Penalties for those barely surviving!

Politicians V10LATED their 0ATH of 0FFICE to Represent the People who ELECTED THEM!

Instead Politicians Represent Moneyed Corporate Executives!

Corporations control Politicians and Politicians Turn-Around and Control Corporations

--- American People Missing in Action! ---

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 10/04/2009
- Philclock I'm a Fan of Philclock 42 fans permalink
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No peeking at any of the trillion pages before it's passed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 10/04/2009
- Poorsarah I'm a Fan of Poorsarah 53 fans permalink
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I am currently in clinicals. Someone mentioned to me that they had to wait for about a week to get a simple health assessment done...I didn't say it, but I thought it; good, hard-working USA citizens have long waiting periods UNDER OUR CURRENT failing healthcare system. Remember, folks, the GOP and a few Blue-dogs want to keep our healthcare system as is. Millions of good USA citizens are also being denied or rationed healthcare UNDER OUR CURRENT failing system. The quality of our healthcare is not the problem; the major issues with our failing healthcare system are: accessibility and unaffordable cost. Healthcare reform with the public option is the only sensible approach to common sense reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 10/04/2009

Here's a rough guess at the national level..

A family of four headed by a 45-year-old making $63,000 a year is in the middle of the middle class. But that family would pay $7,110 to buy its own health insurance under the plan from the committee chairman, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont.

...and it's not going to fly with many people here. Counting deductibles and taxes it will hit 20% of personal income before long.

Hospitals will make more, insurance companies will make more, poor people will get it free until the economy is like Californias all over the place.

Are you sure you want the blame for this liberals?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 10/04/2009
- moongal6 I'm a Fan of moongal6 79 fans permalink
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What have you got to offer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 AM on 10/05/2009
- xargaw I'm a Fan of xargaw 31 fans permalink

I have voted Democratic nearly all my life, and yet when I look at the picture of Conrad and Baucus knowing they have sold out their country, all I see are the faces of pure evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 10/04/2009
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RECENT POLLS:

65% OF PEOPLE WANT STRONG PUBLIC OPTION!

0bama won with only 52% of V0TES!

73% OF DOCTORS WANT STRONG PUBLIC OPTION!

Are Politicians going to go AGAINST THE PEOPLE! Let them and see what HAPPENS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 10/03/2009

BUSTED! Government Healthcare Advocate Admits Public Option is Trojan Horse!
http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/09/21/first-post-of-the-new-era-pickle-1-advoc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 10/03/2009

oh no. how dare they try to eliminate the most ineffectual, expensive, life destroying idea like private insurance and replace it with Single Payer or Medicare for all. how dare they try to push a system that doesn't work out of the way to put a system that has the highest satisfaction in the country!!!! Those Demons!!!!!! JUST KIDDING!!!!!! WE WANT SINGLE PAYER!!!!!!! MEDICARE FOR ALL!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 10/03/2009
- GoingRogue I'm a Fan of GoingRogue 12 fans permalink
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All you are going to do is mandate insurance... like a bonehead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 10/03/2009
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Indeed How Dare they!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 10/03/2009
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