Kirsten Gillibrand Weighed Down By Paterson Anchor

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VALERIE BAUMAN | 10/ 5/09 04:18 PM | AP

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ALBANY, N.Y. — New York Gov. David Paterson keeps sinking in the public's opinion, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is stuck in the vortex: She has to avoid getting sucked down by the governor's historic low ratings without appearing ungrateful to the man who picked her to replace Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Gillibrand, a little-known second-term congresswoman before Paterson named her in January to her powerful new job, is unique among New York Democrats because she can't easily distance herself from Paterson, as have many Democrats in the state Legislature, Congress and even the White House.

National Democrats are eyeing the 2010 races nervously, hoping to avoid a repeat of 1994 when, under similar conditions, they lost the House and spent a dozen years in the minority. In the Senate, they have only the 60 votes needed to ward off a Republican filibuster – so a damaged Gillibrand worries the leadership.

Despite Republican vows to go after the freshman senator, no GOP candidate has emerged. Many in the party, including new state chairman Edward Cox, want to see former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani run against Gillibrand – but he says he is considering a run for governor. A Sept. 22 Siena College poll shows Giuliani beating her 46-38 if the election were held now.

Gillibrand stopped short when asked Monday whether she would endorse Paterson if he ran in 2010.

"I support the governor, and he said he's going to run, and we are all focused right now on this election cycle," she said at an event at which she and fellow Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer were endorsing Bill Thompson in his bid for New York City mayor.

Schumer also wouldn't endorse Paterson.

"As for elections, let's stick with this one today," he said.

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Top Democrats have encouraged Paterson, who assumed his post after former Gov. Eliot Spitzer resigned amid a prostitution scandal, not to run for election next year.

He has been criticized for failing to quickly end a chaotic summer deadlock in the New York state Senate, but his political plunge can, ironically, be traced to the Gillibrand appointment: When presumed favorite Caroline Kennedy, daughter of slain President John F. Kennedy, pulled out at the last second, ugly repercussions alienated the Kennedys and left Paterson looking indecisive and his administration mean-spirited.

As for Gillibrand, "Paterson plucked her from relative obscurity ... so she owes him a considerable debt of loyalty," said James Campbell, political science chairman at the University of Buffalo. "But, if Paterson runs, her chances of being elected to the Senate seat will be significantly diminished."

Brian Walsh, spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said Republicans definitely plan to use Paterson in their strategy against Gillibrand.

"When you consider that the top two things most New Yorkers know about Kirsten Gillibrand are her appointment by a deeply unpopular governor and subsequent flip-flops on key issues, that's not an auspicious beginning to a statewide run," Walsh said.

Some political analysts said Gillibrand can shed the taint if Paterson drops out and, while he has adamantly defied calls to quit, many political watchers predict he'll pull out. The question of whether to support him publicly could be an extra challenge for Gillibrand as she prepares for her first Senate run.

"I don't think she can, or should, embrace his candidacy, but I would advise against piling on," Gerald Benjamin, a political scientist at the State University of New York at New Paltz. "Historically, U.S. senators try to protect their own interests politically, rather than the intrastate dynamic."

Washington Democrats, though, have sent clear word that Paterson should step aside for the popular Attorney General Andrew Cuomo. When President Barack Obama was in New York the day after that message leaked to the media, there were tea leaves aplenty regarding his much more enthusiastic greeting for Cuomo. Paterson has said Obama never directly asked him to step aside.

And that opened another tricky passageway for Gillibrand to tiptoe down. As much as she owes her job to Paterson, she's indebted to Obama and Vice President Joe Biden after they used their muscle to help clear the field of any primary opponents.

After the bungled Senate pick, things got worse when a Paterson operative leaked unsubstantiated rumors about Caroline Kennedy in an attempt to show she was ill-suited. They got no better when New Yorkers – especially in the more liberal and vote-rich New York City – got a look at Gillibrand's conservative positions on gun rights and illegal immigration.

"Persons appointed to the Senate office in their first run for re-election are unusually vulnerable, regardless of how or who appointed them," said Robert McClure, a political science professor at Syracuse University's Maxwell School. "For deep underlying reasons, she's got a problem."

An appointment is not always a ticket to a full term. Sen. Jean Carnahan, a Missouri Democrat appointed in 2001 to succeed her late husband, lost her election bid that year.

Some appointees have had more luck recently, including New Jersey Democrat Robert Menendez, who was appointed in 2006 and elected to a full term later that year. Wyoming's John Barrasso and Mississippi's Roger Wicker, both Republicans, were appointed to the Senate in 2007 and elected in 2008.

A Sept. 17 Marist College Poll found 26 percent of people surveyed thought Gillibrand was doing a good or excellent job. That compared with 9 percent who thought she was doing poorly and 27 percent who weren't sure how to rate her.

The Paterson problem also could hurt some of New York's rookie congressional Democrats. Reps. Dan Maffei of central New York; Scott Murphy, who took Gillibrand's seat in a special election; and Mike McMahon of Staten Island all are considered vulnerable first-term incumbents.

The Siena poll questioned 792 registered voters from Sept. 13 to 17 and had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points. The Marist poll was a phone survey of 805 registered voters from Sept. 8-10 with a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

ALBANY, N.Y. — New York Gov. David Paterson keeps sinking in the public's opinion, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is stuck in the vortex: She has to avoid getting sucked down by the governor's hist...
ALBANY, N.Y. — New York Gov. David Paterson keeps sinking in the public's opinion, and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is stuck in the vortex: She has to avoid getting sucked down by the governor's hist...
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- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 47 fans permalink

I don't know why we didn't decide to primary challenge her.

PAtterson is going down in flames, let's get rid of the other free gift to republicans. A republican senator terrifies me, so we need a democrat who can actually win and hold that seat. Not some flip flopping blue dog.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/06/2009

You have a lot of quick, snap judgments about someone whom you don't know, proven by your referring to flip-flopping as a hallmark of her character. Tossing that term around as though it was some key factor is just wrong. She has shown her progressive side in her actions against DADT and her vote against the ACORN-bashing measure that so many Democrats caved in about. She supports the Public Option with enthusiasm. Those who know her from the 20th District when she was a mere Congresswoman know how hard she worked and what a strong connection she made with her constituents. You seem to have only one or two litmus tests for whom you will support. She can get past the "obstacle" of being appointed by Patterson by simply doing what she does best--representing her state with all her talents and energy. Many of the negtive comments seem so uninformed about what she has done already as a Jr. Senator. I say: Go Kirsten!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/06/2009

And she is not a Blue Dog!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 10/06/2009

Pundits have been trying to write the ending of this story from almost before it began. They all leave out one huge fact: Kirsten Gillibrand is one of the hardest working and most effective US Senators New York has ever had. She has provided courageous leadership on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", and now she's doing the same on Global Warming. One of the FIRST to stand up, with conviction, for a Public Option in Health Care Reform, she is earning high marks from anyone who pays attention to these things, over a year before the election. She will be virtually unbeatable by Election Day 2010, just as she was in her old Congressional District, which everyone ALSO said she could never win. It's interesting to read tea-leaves, but no more reliable than it ever was.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 10/06/2009
- bigpaws23 I'm a Fan of bigpaws23 3 fans permalink

she's a proven flip-flopper on almost every issue, so no doubt that she'll "flip" on Paterson too!

"but it's in my nature" said the scorpion to the frog

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 10/06/2009

I was initially disappointed by the Governor's selection and more importantly the way he did it. I might also have preferred a Democratic Party Primary but having said that she has turned out to be a pretty good freshman Senator. People who live upstate in smaller communities than NYC have different views on gun control with regards to hunting and skeet shooting etc...They don't live or see the gun violence that afflicts cities like New York & Buffalo. She reflects the social views of the place she grew up in and represented. I don't consider this flip flopping. She now represents a larger constituency. She has been excellent on health care & the public option, rolling back retroactive immunity , ecological issues that involve the entire state as well as gay rights. These are just some of the issues she has been involved in. I would be be beneficial for the Democratic State ticket to be headed by Cuomo, but I wouldn't count of Rudy G to run for Senate. I don't see him as 1 of 100. Governor, maybe but he can't afford a loss against Cuomo. I doubt Governor Pataki is up for a Senate race either. What's left in the Republican arsenal? A former Staten Island Congressman who resigned from Congress for drunk driving? She will be strong enough in a very Blue State with Cuomo at the top of the ticket.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 10/06/2009

"Despite Republican vows to go after the freshman senator, no GOP candidate has emerged." This is key. If Gillibrand were vulnerable, the Republicans would be coalescing around a candidate and going after her.

In this case the Republicans are savvy - they know that Gillibrand is a very effective advocate for New York and that like her predecessor, Hillary Clinton, the more voters get to know her, the greater her popularity. We can look forward to many years of progressive leadership from Gillibrand and the Republicans cannot find someone who will challenge her.

Go Kirsten!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 10/05/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 47 fans permalink

Some her positions don't vibe so well with the whole progressive thing. She still has to shake the smell of flip flopper.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 10/06/2009
- oldgeek1 I'm a Fan of oldgeek1 34 fans permalink

This is hardly a problem for Senator Sen. Gillibrand, its just a story that makes for good copy for the masses. At some point in time in the near future the Governor will either announce he is not going to run, or is appointed to some commission. He will either bow out gracefully or Andrew Cuomo will announce and Patterson will have poll numbers lower than Richard Nixon on a good day. Regardless Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand will go with the flow.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 10/05/2009

Their is no way this woman will win next year.
Especially since she has not shown up in NYC at all since appointed.
Does she really think she win NYC state without downstate and the 5
boros?

Watch out Senator Schumer, you may be next on the hit parade.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 10/05/2009

franwnyc: are you sure you're commenting on the right thread? Gillibrand has not been in NYC? You must not read or follow politics at all--she's been all over the state, and has spent considerable time meeting with diverse constituencies in NYC. You also grossly underestimate Gillibrand, as the GOP has done twice already. In this off election year, voters are not paying attention yet, and Gillibrand still beats Pataki, and is within reach of Guiliani in a hypothetical run. She has great fundraising and campaign prowess, beating 4 time incumbent Sweeney and then multimillionaire Treadwell in her former district when defeatist predictions were also made. As voters get to know her energy, intelligence and commitment, they will support her enthusiastically. In the meantime, she is busy traveling the state, listening to voters, and proposing legislation on a variety of issues.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 10/05/2009
- Inquisitr I'm a Fan of Inquisitr 47 fans permalink

She's going with the Obama theory of democrats. They'll vote for her anyway because republicans terrify them

Problem is, it's nto a presidential election year, so peopel will just you know..not vote.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 10/06/2009

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