Dems Discussing Public Option With Opt-Out Clause: The Silver Bullet?

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First Posted: 10- 7-09 04:53 PM   |   Updated: 10- 7-09 05:24 PM

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Senate Democrats have begun discussions on a compromise approach to health care reform that would establish a robust, national public option for insurance coverage but give individual states the right to opt out of the program.

The proposal is envisioned as a means of getting the necessary support from progressive members of the Democratic Caucus -- who have insisted that a government-run insurance option remain in the bill -- and conservative Democrats who are worried about what a public plan would mean for insurers in their states.

"What folks are looking for is what gets 60 votes," said a senior Democratic Hill aide. "The opt-out idea is very appealing to people. It has come up in conversations. I know personally that a handful of members have discussed it amongst themselves."

In conversations with the Huffington Post, sources have said that while the opt-out approach to the public plan is in its nascent stages it has been discussed with leadership in the Senate. It was pulled out of an alternative idea, put forth by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and, prior to him, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, to give states the power to determine whether they want to implement a public insurance option.

But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one.

"It is being discussed," said one progressive strategist who has been working on reform with both the White House and Congress. "In the end obviously, the goal and near-term exercise is to get to the bargaining table and get to the conference committee between the Senate and House with the strongest position [on the public plan] possible."

How such a system would work is still being debated, according to those with knowledge of the proposal. But theoretically, the "opt-out" approach would start with everyone having access to a public plan. What kind of public plan isn't yet clear. States would then have the right to vote -- either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree -- to make the option unavailable in their health care exchanges.

For conservative Democrats -- especially those from states with major private health insurance industry interests -- this concession could be key, allowing them to punt a vote on a public plan to local governments. For progressives, it would not be the hardest pill to swallow.

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"It is clearly much better than triggers and [Carper's] opt-ins," said Richard Kirsch, executive director of the group Health Care For Americans Now. "A trigger option is a way to kill the public option and these opt ins are not effective because it leaves it up to state legislatures to set it up..."

Another Democrat working on reform legislation added, "If everyone gets a plan, and states have to affirmatively vote, preferably by referendum, to opt out. I really don't see a lot of states opting out, for one. And, for two, you get your national [public plan] available everywhere. If a few holes start appearing, it's not nearly as fatal as if you went with the Carper plan, which after a few years might mean 10 or 20 [state-based] public options. If you go the other way, you'll probably have like 47 states. It's a big difference."

Naturally, there are still major question marks about the opt-out approach. For starters, will all progressives be on board? With 60 caucusing members in the Senate, the argument has been made that the liberal wing of the party has already compromised enough to stop the Republicans from filibustering legislation. Moreover, the House of Representatives seems all but certain to pass legislation that includes a robust public plan. Would legislators in that chamber be willing to add a opt-out provision for the sake of picking up Senate votes?

Down the road there are also obvious concerns. As Kirsch notes, private insurance companies are major players in state politics as well as on the national level. A slew of lobbying campaigns could erupt to push state governments to opt out of a government-run plan.

Finally, there are still doubts that the opt-out approach would have the votes needed to pass through the Senate. As one somewhat exacerbated Democratic aide noted, "There are people who are very uncomfortable with the public option generally and this won't necessarily deviate their concern."


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Senate Democrats have begun discussions on a compromise approach to health care reform that would establish a robust, national public option for insurance coverage but give individual states the right...
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This kind of reminds me of what they did with abortion. And we've spent all these years since dealing with one Republican dirty tactic after the next chipping away at women's right to choose. With never-ending dread we'll wind up with wide swaths of America without access to reproductive services whatsoever.

They should just pass the public option, period. And stop b-s'ing around with states.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 10/09/2009

I'd like to know more about the sources for this post. The author is using the term "robust" very loosely, when it specifically refers to a Public Option based on Medicare payment rates. This is not what is being proposed. Although the details are hazy, "opt-out" is somewhere between Schumer's watered-down negotiated rates public option and co-ops.

We already have in excess of 50 votes for Schumer's plan, and we will never get to 60, so why are we negotiating with ourselves? Other sites are picking this story up and confusing a lot of people. Please clarify or retract.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 10/09/2009
- Matt Osborne - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Matt Osborne 105 fans permalink
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I can't afford to move and I can't get insurance. I'm not old, but I'll probably die before I see my home state with a public option. So, no. Not good enough for me.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 10/08/2009
- lyta I'm a Fan of lyta 3 fans permalink
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I have to agree which means a real grassroots effort crossing political parties needs to be done to re-educate those that bought the repub lies. We need a groudswell of support starting now for the public option here to undo whatever the state legislatures try to come up with to fight against it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 10/09/2009

You got to be kidding...

I think only Democrats are stupid enough to believe this garbage.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 10/08/2009
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How can this health care bill reduce costs,expand services, not add to the deficit. Insure all, not cut into medicare etc etc.. Someone is lying...just sayin. Have you ever seen a Government program that does what they say it will do? Why does it not star until 2013? Whats up with that? THEY LIE!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 10/08/2009
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BTW Obama DID lie in his speech to Congress. The illegals DO get access to health care as voted IN last week by the Dems.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 10/08/2009
- jorjan I'm a Fan of jorjan 12 fans permalink

Oh that's nice - pushing it off on the states and then making yet another fight for health care reform buying more and more time for the insurance companies to continue raping us. This is totally UNACCEPTABLE!!!!! If these politicians can push through a bill for the billion dollar bailout in a month, they can bloody well give us a robust public option NOW. Not two years from now, not 20 years from now. NOW. Read our lips idiots. If you don't there are going to be a lot more lawmakers on Dancing With The Stars after the next election because that will be the only work you will be able to find.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 10/08/2009
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co-sign fanned

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 10/08/2009
- lyta I'm a Fan of lyta 3 fans permalink
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Only if we truly do that, get the support going and money to truly vote them out. They don't believe we'll stay the course and do that. So they ignore us.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 10/09/2009
- kladinvt I'm a Fan of kladinvt 5 fans permalink

Vermont has already begun the discussion of establishing a state version of a single-payer system. If the federal government and some other states are too afraid to try something new and bold, then let those of us who are not afraid to move forward!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 10/08/2009
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To declare your state as an Op Out State is Political Suicide. Won't happen.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 10/08/2009
- gray375 I'm a Fan of gray375 76 fans permalink
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is this a public option with the option of banning the public option?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 10/08/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 285 fans permalink
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Just remember folks - if Cantor and crowd EVER get control again - they will reverse everything that we are attempting to build now.

If anything we need to keep President Obama for another term and then elect a strong 3rd Party Progressive!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 10/08/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 213 fans permalink

True, which is why we cannot go with the tightly regulated private care that some European countries use.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 10/08/2009
- dwright I'm a Fan of dwright 285 fans permalink
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What is interesting about this idea is it would definitely de-populate all of the red states and populate the already blue with small business, big business and people.

Cool!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/08/2009
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Excellent!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 10/08/2009

I'm fine with State's rights, but what about an individual opt-out?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 10/08/2009
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there's nothing in any of the legislation making you choose the public option for your insurance carrier. What's to opt-out of?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 10/08/2009
- retrobeck I'm a Fan of retrobeck 2 fans permalink
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Although I'm wide open to a compromise that will resurrect the PO from its seemingly Haitian voodoo zombie-like state (not quite dead, but immobilized enough to pass muster), I can't say that I cotton to the idea of using deserving residents of entire states as "I Told You So" guinea pigs.

Sure, if the red staters' governing bodies choose to opt out and leave their constiutents in the health care dust, those same constituents can certainly boot the offending suckups to Big Insurance out of public office....­.hopefully within the next election cycle, but if not, what? Whole segments of the population get to watch people in the next state feed out of the PO trough while they get nothing, and hope that they can find enough of the right people to elect over the next 2-10 years that will do the right thing (by not caving to corporate interests) and attain the PO for them?

Seriously folks.....look at the Democrats. We have a Dem pres, a majority in both houses, and we are still fighting tooth and nail just to get any blood out of the PO turnip. How easy do you think this fight will be at the state level? What are these people supposed to do in the meantime?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/08/2009
- Terriac I'm a Fan of Terriac 10 fans permalink

So basically if you live in Ben Nelson's state, for example, as I do, we would probably lose the public option here? Not thinking I like this idea one bit. I don't know if I would ever want or need to go for a public option offered coverage, but I would like to know I could if I needed to. Basically, this stinks, as far as I'm concerned. Heaven forbid we take any profits away from the insurance companies, who have such a stranglehold on this country we may never break free. Nope. Don't like this idea at all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 10/08/2009
- olderdem I'm a Fan of olderdem 9 fans permalink

This is much better than no public option, or triggers, or "opt-in". Most states likely will not opt out. If it works and produces competition and lower rates in states that have the public option, it will be difficult for any state that opted out, to stay out for long. Residents and small businesses of those states will demand it, and get it. Much like those conservative states that dismissed the stimulus money are now begging for it.

A robust national public option is essential. Let those states willing to disadvantage their residents opt out. There won't be many and it won't be for long.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 10/08/2009
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