Obama To Accept Taliban In Afghanistan's Future: Senior Official

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JENNIFER LOVEN | 10/ 8/09 09:21 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is prepared to accept some Taliban involvement in Afghanistan's political future and will determine how many more U.S. troops to send to the war based only on keeping al-Qaida at bay, a senior administration official said Thursday.

The sharpened focus by Obama's team on fighting al-Qaida above all other goals, while downgrading the emphasis on the Taliban, comes in the midst of an intensely debated administration review of the increasingly unpopular war.

Aides stress that the president's decision on specific troop levels and the other elements of a revamped approach is still at least two weeks away, and they say Obama has not tipped his hand in meetings that will continue at the White House on Friday.

But the thinking emerging from the strategy formulation portion of the debate offers a clue that Obama would be unlikely to favor a large military increase of the kind being advocated by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal. McChrystal's troop request is said to include a range of options, from adding as few as 10,000 combat troops to – the general's strong preference – as many as 40,000.

Obama's developing strategy on the Taliban will "not tolerate their return to power," the senior official said in an interview with The Associated Press. But the U.S. would fight only to keep the Taliban from retaking control of Afghanistan's central government – something it is now far from being capable of – and from giving renewed sanctuary in Afghanistan to al-Qaida, the official said.

The official is involved in the discussions and was authorized to speak about them but not to be identified by name because the review is still under way.

Bowing to the reality that the Taliban is too ingrained in Afghanistan's culture to be entirely defeated, the administration is prepared to accept some Taliban role in parts of Afghanistan, the official said. That could mean paving the way for Taliban members willing to renounce violence to participate in a central government – the kind of peace talks advocated by Afghan President Hamid Karzai to little receptiveness from the Taliban. It might even mean ceding some regions of the country to the Taliban.

In Kabul on Thursday, a suicide car bomber detonated his vehicle outside the Indian Embassy and killed 17 people in the second major attack in the city in less than a month. The Taliban claimed responsibility.

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Obama has talked positively about reaching out to moderates in the Taliban since he first announced a new Afghanistan strategy in March. It would be akin to, though more complicated than, the successful efforts in Iraq to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents to cooperate with U.S. forces against al-Qaida there.

Obama has conferred nearly every day this week on the war, and continued that Thursday afternoon with Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

On Wednesday, the eighth anniversary of the war launched by President George W. Bush after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Obama and more than a dozen officials in his war council met for three hours to focus on Afghanistan's neighbor, Pakistan. Another of those larger discussions – the fourth of five currently scheduled – is set for Friday, on Afghanistan. That meeting also could feature the group's first discussion of specific troop options.

In the first two of the sessions, which are taking place in the secure Situation Room in the White House basement, Obama kept returning to one question for his advisers: Who is our adversary, the official said.

The answer was al-Qaida, as it was back in March.

Amid changing circumstances in Afghanistan, the renewed determination has big implications for the current war debate.

There now are no more than 100 al-Qaida in Afghanistan. Instead, the U.S. fight in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, now increasingly defined by the Obama team as distinct from al-Qaida. While still dangerous, the Taliban is seen as an indigenous movement with almost entirely local and territorial aims and far less of a threat to the U.S.

Obama's team believes some elements in the Taliban are aligned with al-Qaida, with its transnational reach and aims of attacking the West, but probably not the majority and mostly for tactical rather than ideological reasons, the official said.

"They're not the same type of group," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. "It's certainly not backed up by any of the intelligence."

That leaves the primary aim in Afghanistan to deny al-Qaida any ability to regroup there as it did when the Taliban was in power before the U.S. ousted them.

A focus on al-Qaida is the driving force behind an approach being advocated by Biden as an alternative to the McChrystal recommendation for a fuller counterinsurgency effort inside Afghanistan.

Biden has argued for keeping the American force there around the 68,000 already authorized, including the 21,000 extra troops Obama ordered earlier this year, but significantly increasing the use of unmanned Predator drones and special forces for the kind of surgical anti-terrorist strikes that have been successful in Pakistan, Somalia and elsewhere.

There also is increasing reluctance among Obama's advisers to commit large additional numbers of troops because of concerns about the impact on already severely strained U.S. forces and the troubled Karzai government.

In Pakistan, however, the administration has been encouraged by the government's recent willingness to aggressively battle extremists inside its borders. Getting additional cooperation from Pakistan is delicate, as the anti-extremist operations remain extremely controversial there and the U.S.-backed civilian government in Islamabad is weak. But the administration sees opportunity there nonetheless.

Clinton has not revealed how she is leaning in the sessions, according to aides. While she is broadly supportive of building up troop levels – although not necessarily in the bigger numbers favored by McChrystal – she also believes economic and other civilian efforts must be prominent parts of the plan too, said the aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to detail her views.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, long wary of a large troop presence in Afghanistan, appears to have grown more comfortable with the prospect of a moderate, middle-path increase.

Many lawmakers from Obama's own Democratic Party do not want to see additional U.S. troops sent to Afghanistan. According to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, public support for the war has dropped to 40 percent from 44 percent in July.

Rep. David Obey, the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee who led an effort in 2007 to block money for the Iraq war, emerged with deep concerns from an hourlong Capitol Hill briefing Thursday for House lawmakers of both parties by Obama national security adviser James Jones. Obey cited the high cost to the country of a ramped-up war, as well as doubts about the ability of the Afghan and Pakistan governments to be effective partners.

Republicans, meanwhile, are urging Obama to heed the military commanders' calls soon or risk failure. "Unnecessary delay could undermine our opportunity for success," House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said Thursday.

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Associated Press writers Anne Gearan, Pamela Hess, Matthew Lee and Ann Sanner contributed to this report.

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How to:Defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan
What if, Pharmaceutical Company’s buy Afghanistan’s poppy harvest to make organic pain medication. Two birds with one stone,
#1 it will pay the growers a living wage for their harvest and
#2 it will dry up the main source of revenue for the Taliban, who support and protect al Qaeda. Yes I know you think I’m crazy but it could work.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 10/11/2009

Obama is smart! Nobel PEACE prize type of idea. Anyone else think of this.?.. not Biden and not Bush.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 10/10/2009
- Owlygirl I'm a Fan of Owlygirl 15 fans permalink
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Oh, leave Biden alone. He's not America's whipping boy. The vice president's been one of the few loud & vociferous voices lashing out against our failed war "strategy." He also brought a wonderful realness and spirit to the primary election, and he brings an equally positive influence on this administration. Find a worthier target to make jokes about. Funny jokes.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 10/11/2009

it's not a joke. It's just an opinion I have of Biden that's all.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 10/12/2009

during the election he was actually disputing Obama a lot... they wouldn't even really show him... shows like SNL had Obama, McCain and Palin as guests but not Biden.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 10/12/2009

Since when was Afghanistan a colony, protectorate or the 51st state of the United States of America, whose president has the legal remit to determine who constitutes the Afghanistan government?

The US has invaded that country but it's NOT a part of the US and consequently any government that expects to have any genuine credibility must be constituted by the Afghans themselves whether the US and its allies and stooges like this or not. Anything else is subjugation and has nothing whatsoever to do with democracy as I understand it and all other civilized peoples do likewise.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 10/10/2009
- futate01 I'm a Fan of futate01 40 fans permalink
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Unless America is prepared to commit genocide there is not other option. The Taliban has become a significant culture in Afghanistan and for any peace and progress to happen there a system has to be established were each has a say. O wow! that sounds like democracy... who would have guessed. If Obama succeeds in this than his Nobel Prize will have been earned. I hope he does.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 10/09/2009
- mg moore I'm a Fan of mg moore 5 fans permalink

I'm not sure what you rethugs expected.....

Leadership?
Direction?
Clarity?
Purpose?

Please! The man was just awarded the Nobel Peace Prize... its very apparent that all we have to do is wait for hope and change to come along!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 10/09/2009
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 50 fans permalink
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Looks like General McChrystal's gambit just went splat against the wall. Gee , now the General can run to his kiss up buddy, Patreaus and say, I tried but my career just went in the toilet.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 10/09/2009
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In related news, Sarah Palin just won the "Guns and Ammo Magazine Hoochie Mama of the Year" Award.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 10/09/2009
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We have the GOP, why shouldn't Afghanistan have the Taliban?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 10/09/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 295 fans permalink
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Good point.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 10/09/2009

LOL Indeed!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/09/2009
- morgan1 I'm a Fan of morgan1 18 fans permalink

I can't believe these people are in office and running our government. The Taleban wanted to give us bin laden and we gave them the finger and bombed their country back to the stone age (They weren't far beyond that already). At last read the Taleban controlled over half of the country and are not friends to Karzai or the US. They will not negotiate any terms and will want all US involvement in Afghanistan ended. All they have to do with wait us out as it is clear they have the upper hand. First we went there to defeat Al Qaeda and then it was them and the Taleban. Al Qaeda is no longer a threat and now we want to embrace the Taleban--WTF! We still have no policy. We have destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan and have so pis*** of Pakistan they have now become our enemy. I agree with the one commenter that we need to give amnesty to all Afghan women immediately. I can't believe the idiocy of Obama, HC and all the others. Even with a majority, the Dems cannot get it together over anything. For being so "smart", these are the most stupid people I have ever seen.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 10/09/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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You don't have a clue. Our relations with Pakistan are far better than they were under Bush. We finally got them to fight the Taliban. The Iraq war is ending and the administration is formulating an exit strategy for Afghanistan.

BTW learn how to spell Taliban.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 10/09/2009

I think it's the British spelling.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 10/10/2009
- DaleR I'm a Fan of DaleR 21 fans permalink

Great post. It isn’t often that someone will create a post this long and be totally wrong. If nothing else you would think by pure luck you would have said something factual but no. Congrats.

Also, congrats on being an intellectual giant, much smarter than our President. Your immense intelligence must be why you are doing gods work posting in the middle of the afternoon on a work day to an obscure blog while our ‘idiot president’ (to paraphrase you) our wasting his time winning the NPP, ending the Iraq war, preventing the US economy from sinking into depression, saving thousands of jobs at GM and Chrysler, taking on health insurance problems that have already crippled our economy and threaten to finish the job within 8 - 10 years, etc. You are very impressive.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 10/09/2009
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 109 fans permalink
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This makes sense to me . After all our President is the Nobel Peace Prise winner for bringing people together and diplomacy! He makes me proud to be an American , again!

We could be coming out of the funk that bush dragged us into.

Making nice with the Taliban is likely a good way to go . They are after all indigenous people and should have more luck bringing all their people together.

Random thoughts.

Nirek

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 10/09/2009

Nice thoughts!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 10/09/2009
- bubbepenny I'm a Fan of bubbepenny 2 fans permalink

I suggest we include in this option to accept the taliban that the united states will accept and set up any women who want to leave that country. effective immediately.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 10/09/2009

Did it ever occur to you that Afghanistan women, or any women for that matter, may have greater freedom and control of their bodies in some country other than the U.S.? We have our extremists too!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 10/09/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 46 fans permalink

The ones who have been so audacious as to attend school may be in big trouble...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 10/10/2009
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Accepting the Taliban was inevitable. Domestically, we accept the republicans, so why wouldn't that apply to Afghanistan?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 10/09/2009
- msbeal I'm a Fan of msbeal 24 fans permalink
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LOL. It would be a great card for the Octagon - Christian fanatics versus Taliban.

They'd be tougher of course but a western Christian would have the weight on them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 10/09/2009

We also accept the extreme right wing evangelical religious right who want to legally control American women's bodies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 AM on 10/09/2009
- jws2346 I'm a Fan of jws2346 40 fans permalink

I agree it was inevitable that we were going to accept the Taliban in one way or the other (I don't think we have much choice). Where I disagree, is this accepting of the GOP stuff, at best I'm kinda' tolerating them. (this post was in humor)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 10/09/2009
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Maybe "accepting" was too strong a word.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 10/09/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 18 fans permalink

The following are excerpts from Obama's March 27th speech unveiling his new strategy for Afghanistan:
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"if the Afghan government falls to the Taliban -- or allows al Qaeda to go unchallenged -- that country will again be a base for terrorists who want to kill as many of our people as they possibly can."
. . .
"For the Afghan people, a return to Taliban rule would condemn their country to brutal governance, international isolation, a paralyzed economy, and the denial of basic human rights to the Afghan people -- especially women and girls. The return in force of al Qaeda terrorists who would accompany the core Taliban leadership would cast Afghanistan under the shadow of perpetual violence."
. . .
"This is just one part of a comprehensive strategy to prevent Afghanistan from becoming the al Qaeda safe haven that it was before 9/11. To succeed, we and our friends and allies must reverse the Taliban's gains, and promote a more capable and accountable Afghan government."
. . .
"I've already ordered the deployment of 17,000 troops that had been requested by General McKiernan for many months. These soldiers and Marines will take the fight to the Taliban"
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Obama has totally backed off everything he said about the Taliban on March 27th, which was just six months ago. He has got to be the weakest Commander in Chief we have every had. The Taliban must be astonished at how easily their victory was achieved.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 10/09/2009

Well he's not weighing in with a big stick like the last administration. Maybe that's why he got the Nobel.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 AM on 10/09/2009

I would venture to guess the President has acquired new, useful knowledge since March 27, 2009 and is wasting no time in applying it!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 10/09/2009

The current strategy is not working we are currently fighting 2 enemies, also the current afghan gov't is just as if not worse than the Taliban. If the elections resulted in a legitimized and strong afghan leader things will be different currently we are just throwing people to their deaths without any support from the Afghan people.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 10/09/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

" the current afghan gov't is just as if not worse than the Taliban."

That's a pretty uninformed comment.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/09/2009
- blutigeroo I'm a Fan of blutigeroo 28 fans permalink
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Yes and what Truthahn obviously does not realize is when one strategy is not working you have to adopt a new approach.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 10/09/2009
- Helzapoppin I'm a Fan of Helzapoppin 103 fans permalink
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It is fundamentally impossible to eliminate the Taliban. They are going to play a part in Afghanistan's future regardless of any Ivory Tower "concessions."
It is also fundamentally impossible to create by force a stable, unified country out of a vast tribal society. The only policy that makes any realistic sense is isolation and containment. Internal intervention is a quagmire.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 10/09/2009

The same could be said for SC & TX.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 10/09/2009

Seems realistic with the Pashtuns become more pro-taliban.

And as the article says, the taliban is far too weak to take over the government today. Chicken littles or no, they just can't generate the support. 4 years after they escalated and ~70 deaths a month for a couple of months in the summer? That's not strength.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 10/09/2009
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

They just drove a car bomb into the Indian Embassy in Kabul. Who are you trying to kid?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 10/09/2009
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Driving a car into a building and exploding it doesn't equal political strength. Or moral strength for that matter.

All that it proves is that the Taliban can kill people, not a constructive item on a resume.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 10/09/2009
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