Congress To Keep Detainee Abuse Photos Hidden

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MARK SHERMAN | 10/10/09 05:42 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Congress is set to allow the Pentagon to keep new pictures of foreign detainees abused by their U.S. captors from the public, a move intended to end a legal fight over the photographs' release that has reached the Supreme Court.

Federal courts have so far rejected the government's arguments against the release of 21 color photographs showing prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq being abused by Americans.

The Obama administration believes giving the imminent grant of authority over the release of such pictures to the defense secretary would short-circuit a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union under the Freedom of Information Act.

The White House is asking the justices to put off consideration of the case until after a vote on the measure in the House and Senate, as early as this coming week. The provision is part of a larger homeland security spending bill and would allow the defense secretary to withhold photographs relating to detainees by certifying their release would endanger soldiers or other government workers.

The ACLU said the court should not disturb a ruling by the federal appeals court in New York ordering the photographs' release. The pending congressional action "does not supply any reason for delay," Jameel Jaffer, director of ACLU's national security project, told the court.

The dispute is on a list of cases the Supreme Court could act on Tuesday.

Lower courts have ruled that a provision of FOIA allows documents to be withheld from the public for security reasons only in instances where there are specific threats against individuals.

President Barack Obama initially indicated he would not fight the release of the photographs. He reversed course in May and authorized an appeal to the high court.

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The president said he was persuaded that disclosure could further incite violence in Afghanistan and Iraq and endanger U.S. troops there.

The photographs at issue were taken by service members in Iraq and Afghanistan and were part of criminal investigations of alleged abuse. Some pictures show "soldiers pointing pistols or rifles at the heads of hooded and handcuffed detainees," Solicitor General Elena Kagan said in the appeal to the high court.

In one, "a soldier holds a broom as if 'sticking its end into the rectum of a restrained detainee,'" Kagan said, quoting from an investigation report prepared by the Pentagon. Two investigations led to criminal charges and convictions, she said.

Kagan said the military has identified more than two dozen additional pictures that could be affected by the court's ruling.

The government made much the same argument to prevent the release of 87 photographs and other images of detainees at detention facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, including Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

International outrage resulted when photographs from the Iraqi prison showing physical abuse and sexual humiliation of inmates that took place under the Bush administration were revealed. One picture showed a naked, hooded prisoner on a box with wires fastened to his hands and genitals.

The government dropped its appeal related to those photographs after they were made public and posted on the Internet.

The ACLU, in seeking the other pictures, said the government had long argued that the abuse at Abu Ghraib was isolated and was an aberration. The new photos would show that the abuse was more widespread, the ACLU said.

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On the Net:

ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/

Government legal filings: http://tinyurl.com/yzkn6nl

WASHINGTON — Congress is set to allow the Pentagon to keep new pictures of foreign detainees abused by their U.S. captors from the public, a move intended to end a legal fight over the photograp...
WASHINGTON — Congress is set to allow the Pentagon to keep new pictures of foreign detainees abused by their U.S. captors from the public, a move intended to end a legal fight over the photograp...
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- viper234 I'm a Fan of viper234 41 fans permalink

"The Obama administration believes giving the imminent grant of authority over the release of such pictures to the defense secretary would short-circuit a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union under the Freedom of Information Act.

The White House is asking the justices to put off consideration of the case until after a vote on the measure in the House and Senate, as early as this coming week."

The White House is asking the Supreme Court to put off ruling on a FOIA matter so that Congress can pass a law that would grant the authority to release the photos to the defense secretary? In other words they want the Court to give the White House and Congress preferential treatment by allowing them to "make law" to prevent the Court from making a ruling in the case? That's what I call hubris. I hope the Court does not delay and that they rule in favor of the ACLU and The People of the US.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 10/12/2009
- dream9 I'm a Fan of dream9 10 fans permalink

So, maybe all the Auschwitz photos should be confiscated too. They make the Nazis look bad.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 10/10/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 241 fans permalink
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Will someone please lift the rug while I sweep this little bit of nasty business beneath it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 10/10/2009
- msgirlintn I'm a Fan of msgirlintn 49 fans permalink

Isn't this what Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham threatened to shut down the Senate if it didn't pass? You know the same Joe Lieberman that was allowed to stay at the chair of the Homeland Security committee after he campaigned for John McCain? If the pictures aren't made public, then the Right will keep saying they didn't torture and the outrage about it will go away and the little guys that were carrying out orders will stay the only ones who are accountable for it. Then someday, maybe not in these two wars, but someday American solders will be captured and tortured and the Right will be so enraged that this could happen to American solders.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 10/10/2009

The Democrats are as corrupt as the Republicans. Now with their help in the coverup they are also accomplices in the crime.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 10/10/2009
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Dems and Gops, there's no difference between the two. They simply use different methods to reach the same end result(s).

Oops, a new conspiracy theory is born, because mine resembles yours or vice versa. Oh-oh.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 10/10/2009
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Enforcing the law is the only way to be sure Torture never happens again.
It is our Democrats' job. Why the Coverup?

What Obama and the Congressional Democrats must do is
Prosecute Those That Conspired to Violate our Federal Anti-Torture Laws.

Enforcing the law is the only way to be sure it never happens again. It is not abuse, it is Torture!

Otherwise Obama and all other Democrats are pretending to stop torture, establishing precedent for future torture by our officials and hoping we will not notice.

KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS

"WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?"
If they aren't actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture and a dual standard of Justice.

SIGN THE PETITIONS
demanding Prosecution at http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

Put yourself out for the Truth.
Get out in the streets in front of your Congressional Representative's office and raise hell.
Start your own "prosecution" protest group.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 10/10/2009
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Might I note that
1st Examine who makes your laws in your (cough cough) best interests
2nd Examine who executes those laws in your (cough cought) best interests
3rd Examine who uses political power to manipulate the above proceedings in your (cough cough) best interests.

Pretty picture isn't it?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 10/10/2009

In the White House, some things never change.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 10/10/2009
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 26 fans permalink

For to long members of congress and people working in all the other departments of government have been hiding their crimes , crookedness, lies, from the american people under the guise of protecting the american people, from all the ugliness out their in the big bad world, only to cover their own dirty little deeds.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/10/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 132 fans permalink
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Not addressing this issue putS our own children in peril....

HOW CAN WE SAY DO NOT TORTURE OUR BOYS WHEN YOU CAPTURE THEM?????

WE DID IT AND ARE WILLING TO ALLOW THE ONES RESPONSIBLE TO GET AWAY WITH BREAKING LAWS LOCAL AND INTERNATIONAL WITH NO FEAR OF PROSECUTION...... ABSURD

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 10/10/2009
- StJames I'm a Fan of StJames 115 fans permalink
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Americans are naive in the extreme. That is John McCain's line of reasoning...That the U.S. hadn't been involved in torture didn't prevent him from being tortured for 7 long years did it? It didn't prevent the Japanese from torturing American prisoners either. Why do you think we give our soldiers training in withstanding torture? Because no one does it? Obama played the international game. "We will not torture" they've all said it at some point or another...but the tacit agreement is that everyone does it. Is that moral, no of course not. But to further divide this country over something that is already full of hypocrisy seems like an incredible waste of time, energy and money. Would I like to see Bush et al prosecuted? Sure, I detest the man almost as much as I detest Cheney & Rumsfeld. But it is not going to happen. Period.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 10/10/2009
- viper234 I'm a Fan of viper234 41 fans permalink

I'm sure a lot of people are glad you weren't around during the Nuremberg Trials. Based on your line of reasoning, it was a waste of time to expose those crimes against humanity and prosecute as many of those responsible as possible.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 10/12/2009
- Fred Hood I'm a Fan of Fred Hood 132 fans permalink
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Where did our new transparency goooooo????

They want to keep it out of the public eye. They are afraid if we insure justice is served the whole DC area will be in jail. Funny how they make laws and jail so many ever year but do not want to be held to the same standards..............

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 10/10/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

The age old sophomore year college philosophy question updated.

From "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?"

to

"If a person is tortured in a secret prison and no one hears the scream, was he really tortured?"

Or perhaps in this case, "If you wipe the blood off the walls, was it really torture?"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 10/10/2009

The criminals, whores and general dirtbags that make up our congress will hide the evidence of government crime because, of course, they are complicit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/10/2009
- StJames I'm a Fan of StJames 115 fans permalink
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There is something horrifically ghoulish about people who want to see these photographs. That we know they exist is all that anyone needs to move forward with the investigation and/or prosecution.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 10/10/2009

"That we know they exist is all that anyone needs"

I disagree. I think a lot of people do NOT know they exist and/or will not believe it until they see it. I myself will avert my eyes. That kind of thing makes me sick. But I want them seen. I want torture stopped. I want torturers in prison. And I don't want congress deciding what Americans can see.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/10/2009
- StJames I'm a Fan of StJames 115 fans permalink
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I too would like to see those who ordered and approved the torture in prison, but I have been alive long enough to know that it's not going to happen. To prosecute the underlings without going after Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld would not only be wrong, it would be as immoral as the act of torture is itself.

I believe that almost everyone KNOWS the torture happened. You can show the minority of deniers 1,000 pix and they will say they are doctored. IMHO

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 10/10/2009
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 26 fans permalink

If the garbage is not brought out into the open , one is doomed to repeat it again. Yes and that is why bush/cheny did not want photo's taken of the dead returning during daylight hours , Out of sight out of mind. Bring the bodies back under the cover of darkness.

When our government sends people to die on our behalf you better stand up and look at the result when it comes back.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 10/10/2009

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