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Wait For Health Care Benefits Is 3 Years If Health Care Bill Passes

RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR   10/11/09 01:02 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Sixty years is how long Democrats say they've been pushing for legislation that provides health care access for all Americans. They'll have to wait another three if President Barack Obama gets a bill to sign this year.

Under the Democratic bills, federal tax credits to help make health insurance affordable for millions of low- and middle-income households won't start flowing until 2013 – after the next presidential election. But Medicare cuts and a sizable chunk of the tax increases to pay for the overhaul kick in immediately.

The eat-your-vegetables-first approach is causing heartburn for some Democrats. Three years is a long time to wait for dessert, and opponents could capitalize on misgivings about the complex legislation to undo what would be a signature achievement for Obama.

"The real danger is that health reform could be vulnerable to what we see with the stimulus package," said Democratic health policy consultant Peter Harbage, referring to criticism that Obama's $787 billion economic plan hasn't stemmed rising unemployment. "There needs to be more focus on what can you do quickly so that real people will start seeing change sooner, rather than later."

Said Judy Feder, a senior health official in President Bill Clinton's administration: "Just as we are fending off ideological attacks to get the bill passed, we will be fending them off as we implement the law."

Obama administration officials and Democratic lawmakers say the reason for the three-year wait is the time it's going to take to set up insurance marketplaces, write consumer protection rules and reconfigure the bureaucracy to carry out the legislation. It took President George W. Bush's administration two years to phase in the Medicare prescription benefit, a more modest undertaking.

"It's very important to get the execution right," White House budget director Peter Orszag told The Associated Press in a recent interview.

There's another reason, less talked about: to make the costs of the plan seem more manageable under congressional budgeting rules.

Lawmakers use a 10-year accounting window to assess new programs. Starting the Medicare cuts and some of the taxes in the early years – and pushing the bulk of new spending into the latter years – helps keep the cost of the health care overhaul within Obama's $900 billion limit. Bush used the same kind of maneuver to push the Medicare benefit through Congress.

"It means that the full cost of the program is underestimated in the 10-year window that you are looking at," said Gail Wilensky, who ran Medicare for former President George H.W. Bush. "It's not like we've never seen this before, but people need to understand what's going on."

Congressional Democrats are defensive about their slow-motion rollout.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., addressed the concerns in a recent news release captioned: "What You Get Right Away."

Among the major short-term improvements in his bill would be a benefit for people on Medicare, who already have insurance coverage. Starting in 2010, those who fall into the Medicare prescription plan's coverage gap would get a 50 percent discount off the price of brand-name drugs.

In 2011 and 2012, certain small employers with fewer than 25 workers could get a tax credit for up to 35 percent of what they contribute toward the cost of employee coverage. That could encourage some companies that don't offer coverage to do so, but it's more likely to shore up those who already do.

To answer Obama's call for an immediate end to insurance company discrimination against the sick, Baucus would set aside $5 billion from 2010-2013 to help states provide affordable coverage to people denied because of a medical condition. The money would be apportioned to high-risk insurance pools that many states have set up.

It may not go far enough. State high-risk pools now spend about $1 billion a year and cover only 200,000 people.

"With $5 billion and (other) improvements, they probably can double that enrollment, maybe a bit more, but that may not reach everybody who needs the immediate help," said Karen Pollitz, a Georgetown University research professor.

The House Democratic bill tries to provide some immediate relief. For example, insurance companies could not cancel coverage just because a policyholder develops an intractable disease such as cancer.

Yet all of that has failed to make much of an impression on the Congressional Budget Office, the umpire of the costs and benefits of legislation. The CBO estimates that under the Senate Finance Committee bill, the number of uninsured will stay stuck around 50 million from 2010 through 2012, until federal tax credits start flowing the following year.

If there's a silver lining in the three-year wait, it's that it will give individuals and families time to prepare for a new federal requirement to carry health insurance, starting in 2013. That won't be a problem for the majority who with employer or government coverage. But even with the tax credits that Democrats are proposing, many middle-class families that buy their own coverage still may be unable to afford it, and risk being assessed a penalty.

But lawmakers may have figured out how to use time to their advantage. The Senate Finance Committee voted to pare down the penalties and postpone them until 2014. Because the fines would be collected through income taxes, no one will get a bill until April 2015.

That would be a full two years after the government starts handing out carrots in the form of health insurance tax credits. Conveniently or coincidentally, it's also safely after the 2014 congressional midterm elections.

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White House: http://tinyurl.com/co928w

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Congressional Budget Office: http://tinyurl.com/ykozqmy

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spytheweb
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05:04 PM on 10/13/2009
Not if you pass single payer at the state level.
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08:40 AM on 10/13/2009
From what I gather, it will be enacted in increments starting with the uninsured ASAP. Three years doesn't mean nothing happens for 3 years, then suddenly it's all operational.
justobserve
Not left nor right or center. Just a free thinker!
09:32 AM on 10/11/2009
Whatever happens, if there is a mandatory insurance without a public option, people should start a health care revolution! Demand a referendum so that the minority or a few senators in the senate can't hold the key to this needed reform by turning it into a business-as-usual "reform"! What kind of reform with the same players and expect for a different result?
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lj9283
Why is "Carried Interest" not taxed as Income?
10:02 AM on 10/11/2009
Just like there was going to be a national day of protest for health care reform by the left on September 13. No one showed up.

The fair weather lefties prefers to whine than show up in public.

No protest will happen.
04:57 PM on 10/11/2009
Who has the money to travel to Washington to march? We don't have big corporations behind us driving us around the country in airbrushed tour buses to spread misinformation.
04:52 PM on 10/11/2009
Totally agree - we do need to start a health care revolution . The sooner the better,
Get the Med ins giants out of the picture. They are the problem. They need to be regulated - show them no mercy .
Get rid of the blue dog dems
Vote for liberals like Congressman Alan Grayson,
When we will see some justice come our way ?
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TParrish
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09:09 AM on 10/11/2009
Here is the crux of the matter. Some of us have been repeatedly writing to and calling everybody we could think of, and giving as much money as possible to organizations claiming to fight for real reform. I am guessing that others have not.

Writing passionate defenses of health care reform on blogs will get us nowhere. The fact that a relatively small group of people see what we have written does not mean that we are being heard. What is happening in Washington illustrates that we are clearly not being heard. We laughed at the misspelled signs and relative lack of clarity of the Tea Party patriots who marched in Washington, but the fact of the matter is that they showed up there and we have not.

We have to be heard. We have to make it plain that the majority of the people want real reform, and the Baucus bill ain't it. How are we going to make it plain? How are we going be make sure that we are heard?
09:01 AM on 10/11/2009
I predict: The day this bill becomes law, healthcare costs will start coming down; even before any of its provisions go into effect. Already health-insurance and health-delivery systems have realized and accepted that a new reality in healthcare has dawned in the USA.

The anger of the vast majority of citizens at the broken healthcare system has awakened those working in healthcare. No longer is America stroking itself with the soothing words, "We have the best healthcare in the world". Blogs have permitted Americans accross the country to share horror stories and the true waste, fraud and abuses in the healthcare system, including campaign contribution and lobbying.

A group that likely will suffer irreparable harm, with loss of respect, are the Senators. They finally have shown their true colors about campaign contributions buying their votes. We dont buy: "Campaign contributions buy access not the vote." This experience tell us, "That is BALONEY"
04:27 AM on 10/11/2009
huffpo - sweat lodge lady and polanski on front page are more important than this?
03:52 AM on 10/11/2009
Based upon the comments maybe we have a consensus. You can get mad at right-wingers for the teaparties and March on Washington. Maybe you realize why they wanted to stop this horrible legislation. They along do believe the system is broken and needs to be fixed but instead of focusing on the message the MSM and Congress decide to attack the messenger. I think we all recognize the enemy is Big Business, Insurance Companies, the MSM and most of all our elected representative who are more interested in campaign contributions than those who put them in office. Hopefully everyone now recognizes that the bill currently before Congress have little to do with HCR but are paybacks to their special interests.

They should pass a series of small bills as follows:
1) provide a subsidy to those who can't afford insurance so they can buy it, if the best way is a public option so be it;
2) allow the people to chose the insurance plan that is right for them;
3) allow insurance companies to compete across State lines;
4) comprehensive Tort Reform;
5) Restrict insurance companies from discriminate on pre-existing conditions, prevent them from dropping people when they get sick, force Hospitals and doctors from billing patients more for a doctor not on the Plan when at a Plan Hospital;
6) Reinstate a program like the Hillburton Community Hospital Act like Roosevelt did, and fund the building of public clinics and hospitals in undeserved neighborhoods.
09:14 AM on 10/11/2009
How would you suggest we pay for item 1. The rest of your suggestions are great.

How do we get "best practice patterns" which forces consumers, providers (doctors and hospitals) to be savvy consumers of healthcare.

The new healthcare should reduce healthcare costs from 17% of GDP to 11% of GDP (parity with the next closest economic competitor) so that American business is competitive again.
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09:27 PM on 10/13/2009
I'm afraid your suggestions are too little, too late. If these solutions are so obvious and easy-peasy, it's a wonder they haven't been acted on between 2001-2009 when the Republicans ruled the roost.

They weren't acted on because the Republicans have and had zero interest in health care insurance reform.

And do you really think that "restricting" insurance companies from discriminating on pre-existing conditions will be just the suggestion they've needed all along to stop one of their most pernicious and profitable practices?

If the profit motivation rules, and if employees are rewarded for denying care, right up to the CEO, there will always be problems.
03:37 AM on 10/11/2009
I find it interesting that this article was taken down from the main page. It was up for all of 20 min. Looks like someone doesnt want people to know about this.
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tlgeiger62
A woman of substance.
07:43 AM on 10/11/2009
Frankly, I've known for quite some time. Anyone who has been following should know that healthcare is not going to change overnight just because a bill is signed. I've made many posts mentioning this but this is the first article I've seen.

But we have to remember that there is more to this healthcare reform than just covering 45 million more people and allowing the many millions more access to different coverage.

That kind of change is going to take more than a couple of days, or months!
03:32 AM on 10/11/2009
"Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., addressed the concerns"

That gets to the gist of the problem. Letting this agent of the insurance companies write the legislation was and is a huge blunder.

What seems to be coming down the pipes is an incredibly bad excuse for health care reform.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:36 AM on 10/11/2009
DITTO
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03:36 AM on 10/11/2009
If it gets enacted as presently proposed, the health insurance and drug companies will be pinching themselves to see if they are not dreaming.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:43 AM on 10/11/2009
like the banks that got our money and reform start in a year so rip up if you can (they are)
03:28 AM on 10/11/2009
will they really put the money aside & not touch it for 3 years?

the actual cost is underestimated... how will the additional amount be paid for?

since it's known to be an underestimate why not address it now?
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:30 AM on 10/11/2009
easy

END THE WAR = SAVE OUR PEOPLES HEALTH
03:32 AM on 10/11/2009
enact term limits too
03:31 AM on 10/11/2009
" how will the additional amount be paid for?"

Rationing.

It's a simple formula: Treatments get delayed beyond life expectancies.
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Antifascist-08
02:52 PM on 10/11/2009
You are right. That IS how they do it now. Insurance companies deny operations and then stall the appeal process until people die.

thanks for your brilliant insight.
03:24 AM on 10/11/2009
On top of forcing us all to buy policies from unregulated insurers, they're talking making it impossible for us to sue them?

When there is no legal means of obtaining recourse, other methods of justice arise. This is why the mafia exists - to enforce contracts that the government won't enforce. If a con man takes your money and then kills your child and the courts do nothing about it, recourse must exist. (And the mafia won't insist on as big a profit margin on their services as the insurers do.)

I don't understand why people aren't protesting at the homes of insurance CEOs? Why people aren't showing up at their children's weddings with signs that say, "a child died to pay for that white dress, and another 5 died to pay for the rest of your party."

The government has been bought. There's free speech. There's public shame, and then there's old-fashioned anarchist tactics. That's what's going to drive change. Make the insurance CEOs afraid to go to their board meetings and you'll see how quickly real change will happen.
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lj9283
Why is "Carried Interest" not taxed as Income?
03:30 AM on 10/11/2009
Where does it say anything about tort reform?

There is nothing in the bills i have read that includes tort reform.

Please post your source from a health Care Bill that includes "making it impossible for us to sue them"
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03:33 AM on 10/11/2009
Tort reform has been a pet project of the lobbyists for years, Wanna bet it'll show up on page 957 of whatever bill in whatever form that gets put to vote?
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03:22 AM on 10/11/2009
Remider to the American people -

for all of you unpatriotic citzens talking about the health care systems in countries like Canada, France, Switzerland and others . Please remember these are all socialistic states where the people are not free like us.

they are not even allowd to carry their gun into a town hall meeting.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:27 AM on 10/11/2009
and they will even help you if you need it while in their country....Their stupid way of thinking health before money..

how stupid....
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03:31 AM on 10/11/2009
I once came down with the flu in Malysia. Went to a doctorand got treatment for free. The doctor even gave me the drugs for free. No wonder Malysia is a Third World country.
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Antifascist-08
02:56 PM on 10/11/2009
LOL

To subtle for a lot of people here, though.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:19 AM on 10/11/2009
We want a fair health care bill it cost less than the useless war you just voted to fund with our a ripple...

OH BY THE WAY WE WANT IT NOW TODAY......
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03:34 AM on 10/11/2009
War is important. The US must bring freedom to backward countries so they can be like us.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:40 AM on 10/11/2009
that why we are number 37 can't get enough of this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:17 AM on 10/11/2009
SIMPLE MATH...

45,000 die each year due to lack of health care
4 year until it does what little it does

that's 180,000 people the senate will have haunting them for their greed....

I SAY F@UCK UM KEEP FIGHTING
03:27 AM on 10/11/2009
SIMPLE TRUTH...

Health insurance is not the same as health care.

Obama can guarantee coverage, he cannot guarantee care.

You've been lied to.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:33 AM on 10/11/2009
do what people do not die over insurance???
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:41 AM on 10/11/2009
your point?????
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03:17 AM on 10/11/2009
Message to the American people -

We will need you patience and sacrifice over the next three years. All available money will be going to the banks on Wall Street so they will be able to meet their bonus obligations.

Thanks for your patriotic support.
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Fred Hood
United we win divided we lose
03:22 AM on 10/11/2009
Don't forget we will need all your money to fight a war that will accomplish nothing....

Unless you count the ones that are making billions like Blackwater.....

CFJ
03:23 AM on 10/11/2009
Rome is crumbling and the senate is bumbling.