MTSU Survey Documents Entrenching Of Falsehoods

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First Posted: 10-14-09 02:52 PM   |   Updated: 10-14-09 04:08 PM

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Over at the Atlantic, Marc Ambinder digs into a recent survey conducted by Middle Tennessee State University, which demonstrates the extent to which "evidence and facts aren't enough to deter the perseverance of false beliefs." According to the survey, "34% of adults believe that President Obama was born in another country. 47% of Republicans hold that belief. About a third -- 30% -- say Obama is a Muslim. 46% -- and this includes many Democrats and independents -- say he's a socialist."

This is where my wife typically bemoans the way so many children become adults without successfully achieving Piaget's formal operational stage of cognitive development. Ambinder cites a new book by Cass Sunstein, the Obama administration's chief regulation officer, in which he takes on the issue. To Sunstein, phony information thrives in a media ecosystem where polarization breeds bias and reinforces falsehoods. As a corrective, Sunstein proposes that we "increase the social penalties that accrue to a source of information that is regularly or repeatedly inaccurate," and do a better job at teaching people "how to think critically." Naturally, the primary obstacle that Sunstein faces is the very one he's sought to surmount:

Sunstein has become a victim of his own observations. Search for information about the book on Google and you'll be returned a slew of references to how Sunstein wants to censor the Internet, how he wants to fine people who print false things on the Net, how he wants to chill the speech of conservatives. All of these statements are false. Sunstein proposes one modification to existing law -- he wants to make websites more responsible for the information that others add to the website -- now, website proprietors aren't responsible for comments and pass-through content. This is a mildly controversial proposal, but it's one that many others have made, and it's not something his colleagues in the Obama administration have any interest in signing into law.

Of course, the media could afford to clean its own house in this regard, and learn to love objective truths over the sexy geek show that the Orly Taitzes of the world offer the ratings-starved. Right now, the media has fixed on an overwrought methodology of fact-checking that reinforces as many rumors as it debunks and makes it look as if the typical news organization needs outside help in order to know things. Were you to say to me that the square root of sixteen was eight, I would not reply: "Wait, I can debunk this, with fact-y facts." I would just tell you that you were wrong. But, the way the media views the matter, as long as someone claims the answer was eight, then "some say the square root of 16 is eight," and it's a debate. And right now, all the incentives where filling 24 hours with news is concerned run in the direction of having these debates, even where none is warranted.

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Over at the Atlantic, Marc Ambinder digs into a recent survey conducted by Middle Tennessee State University, which demonstrates the extent to which "evidence and facts aren't enough to deter the pers...
Over at the Atlantic, Marc Ambinder digs into a recent survey conducted by Middle Tennessee State University, which demonstrates the extent to which "evidence and facts aren't enough to deter the pers...
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Someone needs to watch out for this stuff. It's amazing we get to the facts at all, and do we really?

I don't even trust Politifact anymore. They said Obama got a "false" for saying the Insurance companies are making record profits. Isn't 428 % profits, RECORD PROFITS? Are they owned by Politico, I wonder?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 10/15/2009
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As a corrective, Sunstein proposes that we "increase the social penalties that accrue to a source of information that is regularly or repeatedly inaccurate," and do a better job at teaching people "how to think critically."

Not going to happen; the first part of that would put Faux News out of business, and the second part lose the Rushpbublican Party most of its members.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 10/14/2009
- Osusuki I'm a Fan of Osusuki 33 fans permalink

What you see as an impediment, I see as a plan. It's all a matter of not putting the cart before the horse. First, you put Faux News out of business. Then, you toss the Republican Party and most of its members onto the trash heap of history. Improvement in the art of critical thinking will naturally result from the absence of these offenders, and the chilling effect of their collective downfall will "increase the social penalties that accrue to a source of information that is regularly or repeatedly inaccurate," i.e., nobody will believe them anymore. Better living through truth. What a concept!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 10/17/2009
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LOL, Osusuki -- good one. Nice strategy, too.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 10/17/2009
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How are you going to make websites responsible for pass through content and comments (just like all of these) when you can't really do anything about major media who get paid to do the same thing 24/7? I think the 1st Amendment is crucial to our government, but I look at Britain where the rules on the press are a little tighter, and it SEEMS that overall critical thinking skills are higher there than in the US. I don't think starting with internet content is any way to fix this. Henry V says it best...

If little faults, proceeding on distemper,
Shall not be wink'd at, how shall we stretch our eye
When capital crimes, chew'd, swallow'd and digested,
Appear before us?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 10/14/2009
- wattnot I'm a Fan of wattnot 10 fans permalink
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If the square root of 16 wasn't 8 then I can't see how AIG could have happened.
People like Geithner and Summers and Paulson routinely operate on premises like that.
This is why they are so good at taking people in- they are not lying when they say 8 squared is 16- they have persuaded themselves it's true, just like people persuaded themselves the earth was flat.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 10/14/2009
- folkie51 I'm a Fan of folkie51 8 fans permalink

It is a sad commentary on our educational system when so many Americans turn out to be some of the dumbest and most gullible people on earth. I guess too many children were left behind.
Reminds me of Jay Leno's "jaywalking" segments where college students can't find Missouri on a map.

I'm 59, and think that my high school education was the equivalent of a college education today.
Those that can't think will be gobbled up and turned into Fox News Zombies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 10/14/2009
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 30 fans permalink

Really rather indeed agree...Caught a Jay-walking asking a college grad (graduatioin day) , who acknowledge had taken Astronomy, asked how many moons the EARTH had and could NOt give a CORRECT answer...This was at a supposed prestigious University--truly scarey !!! There were and remain folks in these united states that could NOT answer who Bush had serving as his VP and many YET today despite all the various revelations still someho think Iraq was duly invaded properly as they had conspired to promote the happenings of 911---disproven in oh so many ways , even before the instigation of that egregious war effort , some even thinking that somehow it made us safer and more secure even thou quite the opposite has tanspired and now embroiled in an even qorse quagmire with Afghanistan . ADD that some think we need to take on Iran , need to bomb THEM NOW and take control of Pakistan and keep poised to retalitate on NK to show them or strength/might which is more blustery blight than right !! Fools rushed forth DENOUNCING our President being award a PEACE PRIZE, wonder if they would have cheered if awarded a WAR PRIZE instead....gagarino and thensome !!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 10/14/2009
- DonRoberto I'm a Fan of DonRoberto 119 fans permalink
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As long as news operations maintain their sensitive dependence on current ad revenue, none of them will put telling the truth ahead of delivering a "safe", risk-free product. (Fox News is an exception, in so far as they were specifically founded to tell only those truths that are safely aligned with their ideology.)

Networks and other entities with news operations can free themselves from this immediate dependence by establishing trusts with which to fund their news operations; this lessens the immediate impact of those sponsors who decide to advertise elsewhere over the content of a news report. News operations can still remain "profit centers", but the risk of lost income due to loss of specific sponsors is spread out over longer periods, making management of content less critical to success.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 10/14/2009
- rbrinega I'm a Fan of rbrinega 9 fans permalink
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Demagogues never let facts get in the way of whatever circus side show that they're pushing. Of course, folks with right-wing authoritartian personalities (professoor Bob Altemeyer's excellent, free online book, "the Authoritarians" [http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/] is about) are ripe for the picking by the demagogues.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 10/14/2009

Thanks for the link, that's awesome!! :)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 10/14/2009

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