Overall, Afghanistan More Lethal For U.S. Soldiers Than Iraq (CHART)

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First Posted: 10-15-09 01:18 PM   |   Updated: 11- 2-09 02:24 PM

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How dangerous is it to be a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan? Until last year, headlines were dominated by the horrific violence in Iraq with gruesome tales of IED explosions and sniper fire cutting down American troops. In comparison, Afghanistan's Operation Enduring Freedom seemed relatively quiet from 2002 to mid-2008.

But the truth is that Afghanistan has always been a dangerous place to serve, even before the recent surge in lethal attacks on American forces, as demonstrated by a Huffington Post analysis of the ratio of troop deaths in both wars. To calculate our ratio, we took the number of soldier fatalities in a month divided by the boots-on-the-ground troop levels for that month and multiplied by 100,000.

The following charts clearly demonstrate the stark reversal that has taken place in both countries over the last three years. In August 2009, a soldier in Afghanistan was more than 16 times as likely to get killed as a soldier in Iraq. So far this year, 242 soldiers have died in Afghanistan compared to 128 in Iraq though there are just over half as many troops on the ground in Afghanistan.

In fact, Afghanistan is overall the more lethal conflict for soldiers on the ground, according to the analysis of the ratio of troop deaths from 2002 to September 2009, with an average monthly ratio of more than 42 deaths per 100,000 troops compared to 39 in Iraq. Though many more troops have died in Iraq -- 4349 compared to 873 in Afghanistan as of Monday -- the ratio remains higher in Afghanistan due to the far-smaller U.S. troop levels in that country. (The ratio still pales in comparison to previous wars -- by some estimates, the Vietnam War ratio of deaths per 100,000 was more than 10 times higher: 667.)

UPDATE: In October 2009, the war in Afghanistan became even more dangerous for American soldiers and the discrepancy between the two wars widened even further, based on the number of deaths per boots-on-the-ground troop levels. The death ratio per 100,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan was about 88, compared to a death ratio of 7 in Iraq. Thus, a soldier was over 12 times as likely to be killed in Afghanistan as in Iraq.

Overall in 2009, the war in Afghanistan has been almost 6 times as lethal as the war in Afghanistan (the death ratio in Afghanistan this year is 56 compared to 10 in Iraq). See the chart below:

 Afghanistan/Deaths Per 100,000
 Iraq/Deaths Per 100,000

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The recent upsurge in violence and the continuing challenges faced by U.S. forces in Afghanistan have some current and former members of the military beginning to question the U.S. presence in that country. A recent story by Brandon Friedman on VetVoice, a popular Website for veterans, states that "Afghanistan is now deadlier than Iraq ever was," adding that the fatality rate in that country from June through August would be equivalent to 353 deaths in Iraq -- "a rate not even seen during the bloody crescendo of 2007."

"When you see your friends getting blown up, it makes you question the war," Jose Vasquez, executive director of Iraq Veterans Against The War, which has also mobilized vets against the war in Afghanistan, tells The Huffington Post. "Absolutely, there is growing opposition to this conflict."

Still, most current and former military officials support the war in Afghanistan, unlike the 2007 "revolt of the generals" inspired by the Iraq War in which 20 retired U.S. generals broke ranks to express their criticism of the Bush administration for its handling of that conflict. Anthony Zinni, a former head of US Central Command, was highly critical of the Iraq war but supports Gen. Stanley McChrystal's counterinsurgency plan for Afghanistan, which reportedly involves an increase of at least 40,000 troops.

Amid increasing public disenchantment with the war, a growing chorus of conservatives is expressing its opposition.

In addition to pundits George Will and Tony Blankley, former Army officer Andrew Bacevich, who currently teaches history and international relations at Boston University, has been outspoken in his doubts about our engagement in the country.

"To continue and expand this war will unquestionably cost several hundred billion dollars, not to mention several hundreds lives. Is this the best way to spend that hundred billion dollars?" Bacevich tells The Huffington Post, explaining that outside powers who "impose their will in Afghanistan have not fared well."

But he remains skeptical that the administration is going to make the right decision. "I don't think there is any serious likelihood that this administration is going to recognize that the Afghanistan war is completely unnecessary and misguided. The president has already gone pretty far down the road and the political cost would be very high to reverse that course."

Earlier this year, hawkish commentator and retired Army lieutenant colonel Ralph Peters called for U.S. troops to leave Afghanistan, calling it "the wrong war in the wrong place a the wrong time. Instead of concentrating on the critical mission of keeping Islamist terrorists on the defensive, we've mired ourselves by attempting to modernize a society that doesn't want to be -- and cannot be -- transformed."

And Michael Savage, the right-wing talk radio star, lived up to his surname with his criticism of the Obama administration for continuing the war. On a recent broadcast, he barked: "[Obama's] cure for the war in Iraq was to amp up the war in Afghanistan by doubling the number of troops... but the bigger question is: Why are we there? What are we fighting for? You have any idea why men are dying and losing their legs?"

The following charts depict the monthly troop death ratios in each conflict from 2007-2009 and the three-month troop death ratios from 2003-2009:

 Afghanistan/Deaths Per 100,000
 Iraq/Deaths Per 100,000

 Afghanistan/Deaths Per 100,000
 Iraq/Deaths Per 100,000

Due to missing troop level numbers, the death ratios for October and November 2008 were not calculated though a rough estimate of the ratio is consistent with the overall trend.

Research assistance by Grace KiserScroll down for latest updates and charts How dangerous is it to be a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan? Until last year, headlines were dominated by the horrific violence...
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- langej I'm a Fan of langej 10 fans permalink
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Also, unlike the Pastun, the Iraqi never had the reputation of being able to shoot the eye out of a bird at 200 paces.

Can someone update this chart, adding 'Nam, Korea, WWII, WWI and Civil?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 AM on 11/03/2009
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Eh, because Iraqi war has been won and Afghan war is entering its decisive phase. Duh.
On related news: American causalities in May of 1945 were considerably higher than in August of 1945.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 11/03/2009
- riff4u I'm a Fan of riff4u 17 fans permalink

What parallel universe do you live in?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 11/03/2009
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 301 fans permalink
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Eliminating or at least neutralizing Al Qeada requires intelligence not a war. It requires a coalition of nations determined to cooperate in hunting down the perpetrators of violence against innocent civilians. It is not possible logistically to defeat an enemy that by nature is hidden and extremely mobile. Small tactical units with credible intelligence have better results with targeted smaller missions. Invading sovereign nations to capture criminals is incredibly naive as once there you have to impose and maintain control.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 11/02/2009
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So in your mind significant special forces operations with air full support and deep intel penetration is not a war?
Hmmm.....

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 11/03/2009

Biden's rules (paraphrased) 1) complete the surgical portion (get the target) 2) Know the history of the area (esp. for long term operation) 3) cut enemy off from cross boarder access 4) don't try to occupy cowardly sheep. Had Afghanistan's evening of Sept 11, 2001been illuminated by the ignition of multiple thermonuclear devices, all these problems and American casualties would have been avoided. We could have caught Osama with his pants down and if we didn't kill him he'd have died in the aftermath. It would have turned the Pakistani boarder into a radioactive death-land no one would cross, and no occupation of any kind would have been necessary. On 9/11 no one on earth would have blamed us for doing it. There'd have been zero international consequences. Opportunity lost.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 11/03/2009
- Factonfact I'm a Fan of Factonfact 39 fans permalink

And more people will die in traffic accidents on the freeways of Los Angeles than on those in Montana.

To the point: Is it barely possible that more troops are dying in Afghanistan today than in Iraq because the troops in Afghanistan are engaged in combat operations while those in Iraq ARE NOT?
Hmmmmm?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 11/02/2009
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BINGO!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 11/03/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 221 fans permalink
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When GWB cut and ran from Afghanistan eight years ago, America lost the ability to do anything further.

GWB already declared "Mission Accomplished", so it's time to get everyone out of there. Our military shouldn't be participating in a civil war.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 11/02/2009
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 301 fans permalink
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100% agreed. If Obama decides to implement an exit strategy this war can still be part of Bush's legacy. We should be devoting resources to work in conjunction with Interpol to arrest terrorists around the world.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/02/2009
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 301 fans permalink
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Well said. If an exit strategy is well implemented then this war is still GWB's legacy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/02/2009
- NYkid I'm a Fan of NYkid 15 fans permalink
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PaIestine beIongs to the PaIestinians. There are no concessions whatsoever. Let alone "unprecedented". There is not a single chance for the US to make any "peace" (read paIestinian surrender) while sending biIlons of vveapons to the lsraelis. Not a single chance.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/ihaaretzi-columnist-asks_n_342116.html?show_comment_id=33813430#comment_33813430

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 11/02/2009
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Hmmm, so in your opinion Taliban came to power because of P-nians.
And Iraq invaded Kuwait for the same reason?
And AQa was organized because of your P-nian?
Iran became a oppressive theocracy for the same reason?
Ditto for Pakistani India conflict?

Dude this is not writing, this is not even typing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 11/03/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 164 fans permalink

"And Michael Savage, the right-wing talk radio star, lived up to his surname with his criticism of the Obama administration for continuing the war."

Michael Weiner Savage does not agree with the war in Afghanistan. I thought these rabid conservatives loved all wars.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 11/02/2009
- isaidit I'm a Fan of isaidit 25 fans permalink

12:1 in our favor turns out that more of our soldiers makes better targets for the enemy. I think its not supposed to work like that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 11/02/2009
- Zipzop I'm a Fan of Zipzop 12 fans permalink

How dangerous would Afghanistan be if we legalized everything they made from poppies? How could they afford more than a pea shooter without that drug money?
Think of all the money we'd save, from the cost of war to drug enforcement.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 11/02/2009
- Ron44 I'm a Fan of Ron44 17 fans permalink

If Afghanistan wants to be free let them fight for their own freedom. We do not have to put our nose in everybody's business!!! Bring our troops home and leave Afghanistan alone!!! If they are not willing to stand up for their own freedom to bad!!!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 11/02/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 97 fans permalink
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Obama and McChrystal have to take responsibility for the major uptick in casualties.

Their idea to win the hearts and minds of the populace is ludicrous.

Having our kids mingle with the distrustful populace in an effort to cull out the Taliban is the DIRECT CAUSE of more coalition casualties.

This was Obama's war strategy, and it needs to CHANGE. Pull them back to bases and let the Afghan army take control of operations. Then let's wind this down and leave in three years.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 11/02/2009

Afghanistan is four times as big as South Vietnam, and 500,000 troops was just not quite enough to win that one. The Taliban is not our fight...we're viewed as occupiers with no clear reason to be there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 11/02/2009
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 301 fans permalink
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Fanned for using logistical logic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 11/02/2009
- minnehot I'm a Fan of minnehot 8 fans permalink

The reason casualties are so low in Iraq is because Bush decided to win with the surge. No one believed we could win, NO ONE, but the surge worked due to the fact Bush stood resolute (some call it stubborn) in the face of a solid wall of oppostion - a real leader.

Obama, on the other hand, does meetings (just like the faculty Senate at the good ole' U of Chicago) - how nice - slow, deliberate, while our soldiers die because of a lack of support and resources.

Time for some leadership Mr. Obama - are you up to it?

GOP 10'

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/02/2009

You really think those extra troops solved a problem as big as Iraq? What surged was the money sent over there to make the warlords rich if they just suspended their attacks. We bribed them for an illusion of winning..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 11/02/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 246 fans permalink
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We went into Afghanistan to capture Bin Ladin and kill as many Al-Q as possible. Fewer than 200 remain.

We did NOT go into Afghanistan to depose the Taliban.

As much as we may not like them and how they (mis)treat women, that is not our battle there.

Al-Q now operates primarily on the Internet. They are terrorists, not foot soldiers. They do not need "training camps" to learn how to set off a car bomb or hijack an airline.

It is high time we got the he!! out of Afghanistan.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 11/02/2009

Enough of these wars. Afghanistan didn*t attack us. If you think they did and we should occupy and punish them,than we should occupy Germany where the hijackers lived,plotted and prayed.And Florida and Arizona where the hijackers learned to steer planes into buildings.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 10/25/2009
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