G-20 Police Investigated Over Picture With Handcuffed Student (WATCH)

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First Posted: 10-16-09 11:15 AM   |   Updated: 10-16-09 08:25 PM

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CHICAGO - (AP) The Chicago Police Department is investigating several of its officers accused of forcing a college student they arrested during last month's G-20 summit in Pittsburgh to pose for a group photo with them.

The department, which has been dogged by embarrassing allegations of misconduct in recent years, began investigating the Pittsburgh claims after video of the alleged incident was posted on YouTube.

The video apparently shows about 15 police officers in riot gear posing for a photo with a man they detained kneeling in front of them.


Kyle Kramer, the 21-year-old University of Pittsburgh student forced to pose with police, was returning to campus from a pizza parlor when he was detained by police who were rounding up protesters, his attorney Cristopher Hoel told The Associated Press on Friday.

"He was a college student arrested for walking on campus. That seems to me to make him a victim," Hoel said.

Kramer faced a preliminary hearing Wednesday on misdemeanor charges of failure to disperse and disorderly conduct. Hoel said his client is innocent of both charges.

The department issued a statement saying the officers were working in Pittsburgh on their own time, but that they were still representing the city of Chicago.

"The Chicago Police Department does not tolerate misconduct by any of its members, regardless of where it might occur."

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It's possible the officers violated Kramer's constitutional rights, as well as internal departmental rules, said Craig Futterman, a University of Chicago law professor who has studied the department and allegations of police brutality extensively.

If the officers were retaliating against Kramer for something he said that offended them, it is possible they could have violated Kramer's First Amendment right of free speech. The officers also might have violated Kramer's 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search or seizure, Futterman said.

Some fellow police officers declined to comment publicly about the investigation. But they pointed to a popular blog -- Second City Cop -- that blasted the officers for heaping more ridicule on a department dogged by several recent embarrassing incidents, including the beating of a female bartender by an off-duty officer.

"How do you even begin to defend something like this?" reads the blog. "You can't it's impossible... You are embarrassments."

Pat Camden, who spent more than 30 years with the department and was its spokesman for several years, harshly criticized the officers for damaging the reputation of a department that has been trying to rehabilitate its image that was hurt by several incidents, including one, captured on film and shown worldwide, of an off-duty officer beating up a female bartender.

"When you put on a police uniform you represent the Chicago Police Department and we've got these idiots with a prisoner right in front of them, and supervisors are standing right there," he said, incredulously. "That kind of childish behavior is totally unacceptable."

Some, though, wondered whether Kramer may have willingly posed for the photo with the officers.

Robert Weisskopf, a Chicago police lietenant, said he remembered an incident when a man insisted on being in a photograph along with several officers in riot gear.

And Daniel P. Smith, who wrote "On the Job: Behind the Stars of the Chicago Police Department," had the same thought when he saw the video.

"I could see the guy, thinking, 'They handcuffed me, this would be a great photo for my frat house,'" he said. "That's what it looked like to me."

But Camden said it's hard to imagine how something like this could have occurred, with all of the efforts that have been made to get officers to understand they should always act in public as if their actions are being recorded.

"You continue to make people aware that everything you (police officers) do from the moment you walk out the door until you get home at night is on camera somewhere," said Camden, who said he stresses that in media relations classes he teaches to police supervisors at Northwestern University.

"If you're in the public way, it's more than likely being recorded."

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Associated Press Writer Joe Mandak in Pittsburgh contributed to this report.

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- slarabee I'm a Fan of slarabee 29 fans permalink
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It is rather sad and rather telling that there are so many incidents of Police misconduct in the press these days.

Not to defend the Chicago police but I would point out that these types of incidents happen all over the country and the Chicago police do not have exclusive rights to idiocy.

My experiences in Chicago are primarily from a tourist and truck driver's point of view but my encounters with them have been both pleasant and helpful. Unfortunately all it takes is as little as 5% of a force that size to have a severe lack of empathy and surplus of ignorance and prejudice and you have a recipe for disaster.

In other words I would like to think that the behavior of these officers is not representative of the entire Chicago Police Department nor the entire police community.

In the small town I live in there are a few officers on our small force that are rude and unprofessional, however I try not to hold that against the entire force.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 10/19/2009
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According to Kramer, the cop said "Don't look too beat up or I'll get in trouble."

I wrote several articles on the G-20 for the Examiner, including these events. I was actually one of the journalists arrested on Friday.

Pardon my plugging my column, but in this stomp isn't getting nearly as much publicity as it should have. There were only a few journalists there on Friday night, and the write-up the papers offered has been cleaner than the cops deserve. Accurate accounts are all some variation on gruesome, and it's an old story that gets more horrible every time it occurs.

http://www.examiner.com/x-20026-Pittsburgh-Nonpartisan-Examiner

"The Long Day" is Friday, Sept 25th in Pittsburgh. Parts 2 and 3 are particularly relevant to this discussion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 10/18/2009

I grew up in Chicago and have been through some ordeals with Chicago Police Officers.Most of them are okay guys just earning a living.The problems occur when they are worked hard in crime ridden areas and learn to treat everyone as a criminal.These are the officers that can't or won't understand that most most people aren't criminals.Maybe it's PTSD or something.I was pleasantly surprised to read there is a blog called Second City Cop and a police officer was willing to confront his peers publicly.When I went to the site I saw some good things that I never thought I would see.Things that could improve the department and its officers.But he also wrote this.......

"Most of the people who show up at these G-20 summits are anarchists, protesters, grievance-mongers of all stripes. They all have cameras (which are better than anything the Department fields), they all have agendas (with media machines to maximize exposure) and they are all trained to provoke a reaction for publicity and lawsuits (which is likely what this was)."

Even when you have a police officer that has the best of intentions writing a blog,he's still covering for his fellow officers.His cynical thoughts on the motives of the protesters shows how citizens are prejudged and arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.When the best of them still can't understand the problem,what hope is there for the rest of them?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 10/17/2009
- bolivare I'm a Fan of bolivare 9 fans permalink

So they go to "crime ridden" areas and treat everyone like criminals. And thats the excuse you offer for this unprofessional and illegal behavior outside of those areas?
Hmmm...
If they do this all the time in those "crime ridden" areas, then they are breaking the law and violating those peoples Constitutional rights then.
We are all suppose to be equal under the law whether you are rich or poor. This just says that that is not the real America and that we give the green light for these violations in "crime ridden" areas, but when they happen to the more well to do, then it's different.
Nice.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 10/18/2009
- macweenie I'm a Fan of macweenie 14 fans permalink

See, that was just poor planning. If they just would have waited until they had five more protestors then they could have stripped them naked and made them pose in a human pyramid.

It must have something to do with being in authority.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 10/17/2009
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 28 fans permalink
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gosh, i wish i hadn't just laughed at that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 10/18/2009
- macweenie I'm a Fan of macweenie 14 fans permalink

Well, I'm happy I made you laugh instead of cry. Could have been worse.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 10/18/2009
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'Member how when we were all in a huff when our POWs were photographed during the so called "First Gulf War?" How we got all Geneva Conventions, and sh__?

'Member that?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 10/17/2009
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No, I'm an American. I don't have any sense of history.

'member how we hanged Japanese officers for water boarding American POW's during WWII? 'member?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 10/17/2009
- rdiaz921 I'm a Fan of rdiaz921 11 fans permalink
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LOL.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 10/17/2009
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Help, police! Help, police!

Help, it's the police!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 10/17/2009

Caption: Here is the police-to-protester ratio at the Pittsburgh G-20.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 10/17/2009
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"The Chicago Police Department does not tolerate misconduct by any of its members, regardless of where it might occur."

bwa ha ha ha ha! oh man, that cracks me up.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 10/16/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 86 fans permalink
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only if their caught

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 10/16/2009
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no, only if it goes public.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 10/17/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 86 fans permalink
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its funny whenever theres a protest and discord the innocent one is the only one that gets arrested. i was just getting a pizza after studying all day? seriously, my dog ate my homework on monday and on thursday my house burned down and friday i was just walking down the street and 20 cops grapped me for no reason.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 10/16/2009

or anyway it would be funny if that were the story

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 10/17/2009
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It would be even funnier if it was you who got arrested!

Then see which knee-jerk reaction you pull out of your ___.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 10/17/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 86 fans permalink
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i had my share of run ins with police all over the country and i was never grabbed as an innocent bystander. its bs. everytime i have had issues I had it coming.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 10/18/2009
- gavrielle I'm a Fan of gavrielle 24 fans permalink

No, it's not funny if he was CARRYING the pizza and there's evidence he was in his dorm room working away at his computer all day.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 10/17/2009
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Yes yes! All arrestees should be toyed with ridiculed and made to dance like puppets for the cameras, on their knees if need be.
I bet the photos will turn up on the cover of a Leather Fetish Dom Porn: Strict District #14

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 10/17/2009
- n4m I'm a Fan of n4m 23 fans permalink

"The department issued a statement saying the officers were working in Pittsburgh on their own time"

Did anyone else hear that sound? Yeah, the one that sounds like an alarm bell?

How did Chicago Police officers, who weren't sent by the Chicago Police Dept.just happen to end up in Pittsburgh, seemingly uninvited by the city of Pittsburgh, or its police dept., wearing uniforms and carrying weapons, communication gear, tear gas, and retaining all the usual police powers, including the power of arrest, making an arrest and no one is responsible for their being in Pittsburgh, except the officers themselves?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 10/16/2009
- postman66 I'm a Fan of postman66 359 fans permalink
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Trust me, they were sent for.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 10/16/2009
- n4m I'm a Fan of n4m 23 fans permalink

Of course they were.
The questions were rhetorical.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 10/18/2009
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Officers from around the country were invited to Pittsburg to help prevent the riots that come everytime there is a G20 (or WTO) meeting. They were paid by the city.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 10/17/2009
- bolivare I'm a Fan of bolivare 9 fans permalink

There was a riot? Or was it loud yelling?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 10/18/2009
- n4m I'm a Fan of n4m 23 fans permalink

I know they were invited. The questions were rhetorical.
The non-denial denial issued by the Chicago Police Dept. was a ludicrous attempt to avoid liability.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 10/18/2009
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Eventually citizens will just get smart and get armed and begin instilling fear and respect of the citizenry into these thugs in blue.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 10/16/2009

No, Morpheus. This is not the Matrix. We will not go around assaulting the boys in blue.
Speaking of....time for your blue pill...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 10/16/2009
- marchamlin I'm a Fan of marchamlin 5 fans permalink

Yes we do. Cops suck. Big time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 10/16/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 23 fans permalink
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It wouldn't be assaulting. We're talking about defending ourselves. Yes, this is what it's coming to here in America.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 10/17/2009
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If you are dumb enough to taunt a group of bored cops at a G20 protest, you are going to end up in hand cuffs.

The constitution allows 48 hours of detention before charges need to be filed. Anyone at anytime can be picked up and held for 48 hours. If you can prove they never had cause you can sue, but the founders made damn sure that the government had the power over the people.

All you kool-aid drinkers are so cute. America is one of the least free countries in the world and it's by design. Our constitution allowed for slavery. When the world first read our decleration of independence they laughed at us. "all men are created equal" while the majority of the people in the south were slaves.

If you think we are truely the 'land of the free' I'd challange you to light up a joint in public. Then go light up in a 'socialist-nightmare' like Holland. You'll find out real quick who has more freedom.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 10/17/2009
- bolivare I'm a Fan of bolivare 9 fans permalink

You have no right to free speech if you are going to deny it to others.
Even if what you said was true, that does not give the cops the right to arrest you.
Whats with the hypocrisy?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 10/18/2009
- n4m I'm a Fan of n4m 23 fans permalink

The punishment for taunting bored cops is a beating followed by handcuffs and arrest, followed by more beating.
Being handcuffed is the punishment given to non-protesters just for being there. The arrest and beatings are optional and may be imposed at the officer's discretion..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 10/18/2009
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Horrible. No tact, what's next tar and feathering?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 10/16/2009
- SNS I'm a Fan of SNS 5 fans permalink
    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 10/16/2009
- DingoDave I'm a Fan of DingoDave 30 fans permalink
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Police Attack Protestors - Miami - November 2003
They describe peaceful protestors as "scurrying cockroaches" then hand out personal items taken from protestors as trophies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot6Lf4ajrfk

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 10/16/2009

In the words of Kaiser Sose..."F-n Cops"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 10/16/2009
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