GOP Base Driven By Bizarre Ideology, Not Racism, Report Finds

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First Posted: 10-16-09 12:02 PM   |   Updated: 10-16-09 12:55 PM

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When Stan Greenberg and fellow Democratic researchers launched a study of the conservative Republican world's reaction to President Obama, he figured they'd find ample evidence of racism.

They didn't. Not at all.

"Race just wasn't brought up," said a surprised Greenberg on a conference call with reporters Friday. He said that the focus groups were given as much time to talk about race as they could possibly need.

"If there was any kind of a racial element, we thought we'd pick it up. We didn't," said James Carville, who also worked on the report.

And when asked who spoke for the Republican Party, the answer was overwhelmingly: Fox News.

The study was done by Democracy Corps and Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and was also authored by Karl Agne and Jim Gerstein.

What drives the GOP base, rather than race, was a genuine belief that Obama has a "secret agenda" to drive the country in a socialist direction, said the authors. These voters want more opposition, not more cooperation.

"They want more opposition," said Carville. "If you don't wanna get primary-ed, there's nothing in this [report] that tells [a GOP member of Congress] to go compromise on anything. Quite the contrary."

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While the GOP base was feverishly opposed to Obama, it wasn't happy with its own party either. "Their negative opinions of the Republican Party were really startling," said Agne. "They're very dispirited about their own party."

The report concludes that the extreme GOP voters are not simply at the far end of a standard political continuum that runs left-center-right, but rather they stand fully apart.

The basic belief is that Obama -- a former community organizer who seemingly came from nowhere -- must have been propelled by some secret forces. This is no small segment of the population and represents almost one-in-five voters and nearly two-of-three self identified Republicans.

"Instead of focusing on these intense ideological divisions, the press and elites continue to look for a racial element that drives these voters' beliefs -- but they need to get over it," the authors write. "Conducted on the heels of Joe Wilson's incendiary comments at the president's joint session address, we gave these groups of older, white Republican base voters in Georgia the full opportunity to bring race into their discussion -- but it did not ever become a central element, and indeed, was almost beside the point."

The authors did say, however, that while Obama wasn't seen through a racial lens, the voters did view and speak of illegal immigration in a racial way.

The researchers also spoke with swing-voters and independents and found a crucial difference: The independents wanted Obama to succeed, while the GOP base wanted him to fail. That's a logical extension of their belief: If they really do think Obama has a secret agenda to destroy the nation, it's patently patriotic to want him to fail. One author referred to it as an "ethical imperative" given what they think the agenda is.

"While these voters are disdainful of a Republican Party they view to have failed in its mission, they overwhelmingly view a successful Obama presidency as the destruction of this country's founding principles and are committed to seeing the president fail," reads the report.

The full report is here.


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When Stan Greenberg and fellow Democratic researchers launched a study of the conservative Republican world's reaction to President Obama, he figured they'd find ample evidence of racism. They didn't...
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- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 63 fans permalink
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As we have repeatedly written, the neo-Republican Party is totalitarian in behavior. It follows the most radical of ideologies, acting like a subversive entity...a­s if America itself was the enemy.

The scary part is, the tooled and brainwashed Fox Bots haven't a clue that they are setting up our nation to be an extremist's hot lunch with their own children as the side dish.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/bill_o_ailes.html

Explain, Mr. Murdoch.

Legislation please, loyal Legislature.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

You write: "As we have repeatedly written ..."

Who is this "We?"

Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Are you more than one person? Is this the Royal Form, the Imperial "We," or do you believe that your brain contains connections to multiple individuals?

Society is not a collective, but an aggregate of individuals, as is any subgroup within it.

Do you realize that making unfounded claims in regards to the actions and character of others without presenting material evidence is in fact totalitarian behavior? The fine art of baring false witness in regards to others is a crime honed to a fine art under the totalitarian regimes of Stalin and Hitler.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 10/19/2009
- LeighAnnes I'm a Fan of LeighAnnes 26 fans permalink

Oh so now you are comparing posters here to Stalin and Hitler. Yes now that is a typical Republican ploy.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 10/21/2009
- LeighAnnes I'm a Fan of LeighAnnes 26 fans permalink

"Do you realize that making unfounded claims in regards to the actions and character of others without presenting material evidence is in fact totalitarian behavior? The fine art of baring false witness in regards to others is a crime honed to a fine art under the totalitarian regimes of Stalin and Hitler."

This sounds to me like you are comparing liberals to Stalin and Hitler as conservatives are won't to do. ( For evidence of this watch the news with people carrying signs of Obama with a mustache and a swastika.) The fact that you didn't say "You are behaving like Hitler" doesn't impress me. The implication was there.

The claims are not unfounded. No one has to produce evidence for you in every post. Additionally, most of us understand what is meant by statements which imply all or none. To say "Republicans are subversive" means "I have seen and heard Republicans make subversive comments." We do not speak in tautologies.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 10/21/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

Writing in regards the Republican Party you claim it is "totalitarian in behavior," then follow this with the statement that It follows "the most radical of ideologies," and is "acting like a subversive entity..."

The problems with this paragraph are many fold:

First:Society is not a collective, nor an Organism, but rather is an aggregate of individuals, as is any subgroup within it. "It" is not capable of "behavior" -- unless you are suggesting there is in fact a physical connection between the individual brains and heads of people that then creates a singular organism? If so present evidence. Society can not act with behavior, nor actually can "it" posses an ideology -- as it has no common brain to think with, and likewise it cannot "act" in any manner, let alone a "subversive manner ..."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 10/19/2009
- LeighAnnes I'm a Fan of LeighAnnes 26 fans permalink

No one thinks that the Republicans are a single organism. Merely that many of the people left in the Republican party tend to think the same way. And yes many of them are suggesting secession or revolution, which is subversive. They have driven many of the moderates out of the party. This is evidenced by the fact that only around 20% of the population now identify themselves as Republican.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 10/21/2009
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There doesn't need to be a "physical connection" between the brains for multiple individuals to think and act as One. Sociological experiments have proven that individuals can be manipulated to think and behave as one when in a group. They do this for many reasons: the bandwagon effect; not wanting to feel "out-of-touch"; lacking the courage to stand alone, etc. In other words, people are basically insecure and are always struggling with identity issues. That's why they are so susceptible to social manipulation. Hitler knew this. Use people's insecurities against them to get what you want. Republicans know this, too. Hence the scare tactics against Health Care reform.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/08/2009
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And by the way, society IS by definition, a collective. And so what if people don't "think" as "one," when they behave as one, the result is the same...col­lective. So you're arguing over mere semantics, which is nothing more than a classical red herring tactic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 11/08/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

In Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton, M.D., describes coercive methods used to alter the thoughts of individuals without their knowledge, these techniques were used on prisoners of war in Korea and China.

1: Loading the Language. Words and phrases used as thought-terminating jargon.
Examples: Republicans become: "Racists""­Repugs""Re­thugs." "Insurance," becomes "Healthcare," so a denial of insurance can seem to a denial of medical care --which does not happen.

2:Sacred Science. Liberal doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. (i.e. "The debate is over!")

3:Doctrine over person. Denial of personal experiences and opinions of those outside the group.

Examples: All factual evidence opposing the Liberal position is denied. I am a Disabled American, my experiences contradict Liberal assertions in regards to health care -- my factual accounts are dismissed and all manner of verbal abuse and filth is hurled at me. I am accused without factual basis of being rich, a paid lobbyist, and a liar.

4:Erasing existence. Those in the group have a right to exist, others do not. Outsiders are less than human, or unenlightened, or unconscious and must be rejected -- erased as human beings from the groups reality. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility.
Examples: Republicans are, "Crazy, "Uneducated," "Insane," "Racists," "Delusiona­l." No factual evidence is required to condemn, only the bald assertion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 10/19/2009
- LeighAnnes I'm a Fan of LeighAnnes 26 fans permalink

As though there are no Republicans who commit these errors of logic.

1) Loaded language -- go read a conservative blog and see the name calling there. How about "dims."
2) Sacred Science - or facts...su­ch as bald assertions that "denial of medical care --which does not happen" when in fact it does.
3) Doctrine over person - just go to a conservative blog and read the comments there. I've also seen plenty of name calling by "conservatives" here.
4)Erasing existence - I just read a post from "trueblueamerican" where he stated that the "revolution" was coming and he couldn't wait to see all "liberals get a beat down." A GOP rep talked about "hunting liberals." Talk about "erasing existence.­"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 10/21/2009
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Well, of course they're not going to admit to racism...d­uhhh!!! Though many of them are bigots...n­ot all of them are clueless enough to admit to it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

And you are pretending that your comment is not hate-speech?

Since when do you get the license to condemn people with no material or factual evidence?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 10/19/2009
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Per your question, wblack, I was a card carrying Republican my entire adult life until this year, even though I haven't voted Republican for 9 years, so, I know whereof I speak when I state that many...not all...cons­ervatives are closet rascists.
My experience as a conservative, Fundamentalist Christian from an early age exposed me to much of what I now admit about the Republicans, because it was us religious fundamentalists who took over the party and that's how I know!
My having left the Republican Party was part of my escaping Christian Fundamentalism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

I would of course require that you provide 3rd party verifiable citations of dates, times, when you personally observed individuals acting in a "racist manner" as a matter of "Party Policy." Anyone can blow wind making unfounded claims -- where is your documented material evidence ?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 10/19/2009
- donniebnyc I'm a Fan of donniebnyc 2 fans permalink

So, they aren't ra.cist. Just stu.pid.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 10/19/2009
- gvc I'm a Fan of gvc 5 fans permalink

Call it xenophobia and be done with it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 10/19/2009
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Riiight, and they really love Obama, except "he's not one of us" and shouldn't be in charge. Just because people wont admit to their biases doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means they're devious enough not to admit to being racists and using any excuse to hide the fact, like that wonderful justice of the peace trying to save the unborn children of biracial couples from future heart ache. Riiight.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

Sure, I can see it, you can condemn people you do not know, of being racist, because of the obvious significant fact that they bare no sign of being racist, and no documented evidence exists -- this is how cleaver they are. Proves it. Guilty as charged. Yep.

Sure. That makes sense.

Well, I think that last guy who posted is a jewel thief, and the one before that cheated on his taxes, and the one before that is a repeat parking-offender. No evidence. The obvious lack of evidence proves their obvious guilt -- see how cleaver they are?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 10/19/2009
- crease I'm a Fan of crease 10 fans permalink

The right has lost two major elections and will continue on this path of destruction,I HOPE. They are losers that get over the fact that they can`t send anymore of our brave soldiers to kill all the A RABS regardless if their Christians of Muslim.I can read through the hate see the racism quite easily.The­y were not protesting the Shrubs unnecessary and illegal war or his two enormous tax cuts for the UBER wealthy of this country but their going to protest the only man who wants to to something for the other 98 percent of us who got ripped off and are losing their jobs,homes and family`s and the Bush crime family tells us if we don`t have medical insurance go the the E R.Obama is a democrat who only agenda is to help get this nation back on it` feet and back to where we were before all of this deregulation and neo liberal trade policy`s that have boosted the riches of the wealthy through these trade policy`s and laissie faire free market capitalism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 10/19/2009
- Ganapati I'm a Fan of Ganapati 19 fans permalink
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I am not sure that judging the opinions by the language is the best way to identify racism in the doctrine.
Racism has been endemic among certain specific groups (aka "the base") at the sam time that language has been manipulated and twisted beyond imagination.
Does Obama's "secret agenda" theory have an underlying unnamable racist component that is purposefully hidden in the language?
It wouldn't be the first time...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 10/19/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1043 fans permalink
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When I talk to them in person, I frequently here the "N" word applied to identify the President. But I only see this during direct face to face contact, it is not something I see bubbling up from the net.

But I cannot discount the idea that some (most? all?) of their claims and statements circulating online leverage that hatred and bias to make even more bizzare claims (like Obama being taken over by extra-dimensional S_atanic beings.)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 10/19/2009
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Go to any Tea Party on Youtube with any debate on it and you will find comments using racial slurs and stereotypes, because Youtube is the anonymous home of crazy on the web. No one is going to tell a poller, "I'm rascist," but the fact that they do openly view immigration as a racial issue could speak to some hidden discomfort with the President. The fact is that the world is changing and these are the people who want to be left in the past. Except for the very rich ones who are only interested in keeping their taxes low and their schemes unregulated, these are folks whose lives have only gotten harder over the years of Bush, and they see that none of the social/religious issues that made them love him are really going to go their way. As the country evolves, and gay people will have their rights, and there will be more ethnic diversity and more people of mixed heritage, more people who can either moderate their religious beliefs, or are not religious. They blame the Republicans for not effectively defending them fiscally or on social issues, and they see Democrats as representing this change to life as they know it. ie the Devil. Basically they're haters.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 10/19/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1043 fans permalink
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I maintain an email address that is on right wing mailing lists... I get most, if not all, of the right wing prop a ganda eventually.

I do see some racist emails making the rounds in the base, but I tend to agree that more and more of what I see is fundamentalist ideology that is difficult to connect directly to racism... I don't see that claims that Obama is an agent of S_atan for instance, can be viewed as stemming directly from racism.

But if anything, what I do see is even more disturbing. Especially the stuff they are floating around about Obama being the Anti-Xhrist and being a notsee. From the article:

"The report concludes that the extreme GOP voters are not simply at the far end of a standard political continuum that runs left-center-right, but rather they stand fully apart."

I fully agree with this statement ^. From my chair, Conservatism has much more in common with a cult movement than any political party or rational ideology. None of the stuff I am seeing from the right has any basis in fact or reality... These people appear to have gone completely over the cliff to me, they are flapping their arms wildly and they think they are flying.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 10/19/2009
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 63 fans permalink
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http://www.light-to-dark.com/darwins_twofer.html

So true. So sadly true. Informed Americans, never left our open-minded position. It was the Fox Bots and Fundis who took flight, virtually on orders.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 10/19/2009
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IF racism isn't an issue, why do I see Confederate flags proudly waving at their anti-health care rallies? Does it mean they want their health care patterned after what was available in the 1860s? Please. Everyone knows the code hidden in plain sight everywhere that flag appears.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 10/19/2009
- fireW I'm a Fan of fireW 15 fans permalink
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You see the overt symbols of racism (the confederate flag) because they believe in their right to be an antisocial flaming jerks rather than their responsibility NOT to.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

I am a fully disabled citizen and my experience with the medical establishment is completely contrary to the popular opinion and myths of the liberal party -- I disagree with the need for healthcare reform and prefer that I keep my medical care as it is -- does this make me an "anti-social flaming jerk?

I don't think it does. It merely makes me a fellow human being who disagrees with you.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

Gee, I oppose socialized health care and I live in Chicago Illinois. I don't ever see confederate flags flying at our rallies. Does that mean I can have a Is-Not-A-Racist card so I do not get falsely accused of being one?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 10/19/2009
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Prejudice IS prejudice. Whether it's racism, rooted in unfounded beliefs about people different than onesself, or a conspiracy theory, rooted in unfounded fears or desires, it IS prejudice. It is a dissonant bias against reality when and where it contradicts one's imagination.

As we have seen, it can be very destructive when it is empowered.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

Daniel Brooks writes: "It is a dissonant bias against reality when and where it contradicts one's imaginatio­n."

There are just so many things wrong with this sentence ... dissonant is synonymous with discord, or disharmony, and bias is a prevalence to a particular view or ideology, now you could say x-parties view is dissonant with yours, or that x-person is biased in your view, however a dissonant bias is a self canceling combination and makes no sense.

You say this "bias is against reality where it contradicts one's imagination" -- Reality is the phenomenal world you perceive with your senses, in other worlds the real world. Reality is not to be found in "one's imagination," where there are only constructs of thought which may or may not be real.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 10/19/2009
- aftershock I'm a Fan of aftershock 82 fans permalink

Dissonant also means "inconsistent within itself" or incongruous, meaning the word can very much be applied as an adjective to bias. Another way to say it would be, "Conservatives have an inconsistent bias against reality where it contradicts with their imaginatio­n." So... next time you want to play Professor, try and actually know what you're talking about.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 10/19/2009
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Where were these people during the 2004 Democratic National Convention to hear Obama's life-turning speech? It was on prime time....bu­t so were the Simpsons.

Any of them remember all the secretiveness during the GWB years? Maybe they're really afraid that there's someone else on the "other side" with a Bush-like agenda. That SHOULD scare the c..rap out of them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 10/19/2009
- fireW I'm a Fan of fireW 15 fans permalink
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Where were they? They were at Moe's Bar arguing with Barney . . . .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 10/19/2009

Fiscal profligacy and tradition are bizarre to the nouveau left led by their Sultan, Obama (uh oh someone's being a racist).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 10/19/2009

Yes, George W. Bush your hero did spend and spend and spend on credit. And deliberately refused to enforce banking regulation. Wasted a trillion on a trumped up war. But that's ok, I'm sure you have a brain injury that destroyed your ability to remember anything.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 10/19/2009
- rich misty I'm a Fan of rich misty 1043 fans permalink
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tokenconservative says that he agrees with all that, as long as it is a True Conservative, Like Bush or Cheney, who is actually doing it. In fact, Conservatives cheered it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 10/19/2009
- aftershock I'm a Fan of aftershock 82 fans permalink

"Fiscal profligacy"

And what, we're supposed to believe that's a Republican tenet? HA!! Look at the national debt under Republican presidents. They take the cake on irresponsible spending, hands down. As far as tradition, appeals or arguments from tradition are logical fallacies, so I'm glad the Democrats avoid "tradition" as a foundation for their belief system. I suppose we should have kept slavery because it was a long standing "tradition" right?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 10/19/2009
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Call it what it is. Beating around the bush doesn't do anyone any favors. Despite the claim that "race just wasn't brought up," anyone with common sense can see their behavior and hear their rhetoric for what it is.

Those with legitimate policy differences should be able to articulate them soundly and deftly without resorting to 'tea bagging' and 'birthing.­'

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 10/19/2009

Agreed, where the racism comes in, is the "gall of minorities" to actually go to the polls and vote in someone who represents their interests. And now these "minorities" want health care and jobs and opportunity since they are all "lazy" and "welfare queens" and they "want to take white people's money". The conservatives have literally declared that "healthcare is reparations". That Obama got elected because illegal immigrants voted.

It's still racism.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 10/19/2009
- wblack I'm a Fan of wblack 5 fans permalink

Let me get this straight: You are saying that citizens who gather together to peacefully protest -- a right guaranteed to all under the Constitution -- must be racist just because they are protesting in accord with their rights as American citizens.

You know, I don't know what to d=say about "birthing" unless you are referring to babies born at such rallies ... well I've seen no reports of such let alone stastics -- are you sure you are not just using a made up term?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 10/19/2009
- aftershock I'm a Fan of aftershock 82 fans permalink

"You know, I don't know what to d=say about "birthing" unless you are referring to babies born at such rallies ..."

Than you've been under a rock for the last 9 months.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 10/19/2009
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