Major Ground Offensive Begins In Pakistan But Few Expect It To Turn The Tide In The War

ISHTIAQ MAHSUD and NAHAL TOOSI | 10/17/09 10:19 PM | AP

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DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan — Pakistani soldiers attacked militant bases in the main al-Qaida and Taliban stronghold along the Afghan border Saturday as the nuclear-armed country launched its most critical offensive yet against insurgents threatening its stability.

Five soldiers and 11 militants were killed as the more than 30,000 troops deployed to the region met stiff resistance in parts of South Waziristan, a possible hide-out of Osama bin Laden and a base for jihadists bent on overthrowing the U.S-backed government, attacking the West and scuttling the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan

The U.S. has pushed Pakistan to mount the offensive, which follows three unsuccessful campaigns since 2001 in the mountainous, remote region by mostly poorly equipped soldiers trained to fight conventional wars, not counterinsurgency operations.

The assault, which has been planned for several months, comes after a surge in militant attacks killed more than 175 people across Pakistan over the past two weeks. The operation is expected to last around two months and is aimed at clearing the region, then holding it, officials said.

Army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said the effort was focused on uprooting the Pakistani Taliban, an umbrella group of militants led by members of the Mehsud tribe blamed for most of the attacks that have battered the country over the last three years.

About 10,000 local militants and about 1,500 foreign fighters, most of them from Central Asia, control roughly 1,275 square miles (3,310 square kilometers) of territory, or about half of South Waziristan.

Intelligence officials said the ground troops Saturday were advancing on two flanks and a northern front of a central part of South Waziristan controlled by the Mehsuds. The areas being surrounded include the insurgent bases of Ladha and Makeen, the officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to brief the media.

Gunbattles were taking place outside Spinkai Raghzai, Kalkala and Sharwangai areas, the officials said.

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As many as 150,000 civilians – possibly more – have left in recent months after the army made clear it was planning an assault. Most are believed to be staying in rented homes or with host families, but there are perhaps as many as 350,000 still in the region. The United Nations has been stockpiling relief supplies in a town near the region, but authorities are not expecting a major refugee crisis like the one that occurred during an offensive this year in the Swat Valley, also in the northwest.

Makeen resident Ajmal Khan said that the people left in his town were terrified but could not leave their homes due to a curfew.

"We heard sounds of planes and helicopters early Saturday. Then we heard blasts," Khan told The Associated Press by telephone. "We are also hearing gunshots and it seems the army is exchanging fire with the Taliban."

Over the last three months, the Pakistani air force has been bombing targets, while the army has said it has sealed off many Taliban supply and escape routes. The military has been trying to secure the support of local tribal armies in the fight.

At least 11 suspected insurgents were killed in the jet bombings, while a roadside bomb hit a security convoy, killing one soldier and wounding three others, two local intelligence officials said. A military statement Saturday evening said four soldiers were killed and 12 wounded in exchanges in the region.

It is nearly impossible to independently verify information from the region, which has little infrastructure or government presence. Foreigners require permission to enter the tribal areas, and few Pakistani journalists from other parts risk traveling there.

Recent opinion polls show widespread public support for military action against the insurgents and there is also broad political backing, a change from a few years ago. But a long and bloody conflict – and more terrorist attacks around the country – could erode that support.

Even if the army retakes the area, the offensive by itself is unlikely to be death blow to the country's entrenched militants, who have formed networks across the country, including with groups once nurtured by the state as proxies against its arch enemy India.

The militants could escape to other parts of Pakistan's semiautonomous tribal belt or cities in its heartland. The areas being targeted by the operation don't directly border Afghanistan, which could limit the impact on U.S., Afghan and NATO troops battling a resurgent Afghan Taliban.

Pakistan waged offensives in the Bajur and Mohmand tribal regions earlier this year that it hailed as successes. But militants are still active in both and there has been little reconstruction.

South Waziristan is also much farther that those two regions from the main northwestern city of Peshawar, meaning keeping the troops supplied will be much harder.

Since the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the Pakistan army's three attempts to dislodge Taliban fighters from South Waziristan have ended in truces that left the Taliban in control. This time, the military has said there will be no deals, partly to avoid jeopardizing gains won earlier this year when Pakistani soldiers overpowered the Taliban in Swat.

The army's efforts in South Waziristan got a boost when a U.S. missile strike killed Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud in August. The militants have since named fellow tribesman Hakimullah Mehsud as their leader, and have claimed responsibility for most of the recent attacks, including a 22-hour standoff at the army's headquarters.

Taliban spokesmen could not immediately be reached for comment Saturday. Communications in and around the region appeared jammed, making it difficult to reach local residents or other witnesses.

The U.S. is trying to rush in equipment for the offensive that would help with mobility, night fighting and precision bombing, a U.S. Embassy official told AP in a recent interview, speaking on condition of anonymity because the issue is politically sensitive.

In addition to night-vision devices, the Pakistan military has said it is seeking additional Cobra helicopter gunships, laser-guided munitions and intelligence equipment to monitor cell and satellite telephones.

Army planners are also considering the weather. Snows expected in the coming weeks could block major roads in South Waziristan. At the same time, the winter could work to the army's advantage by driving fighters out of their unheated mountain hide-outs.

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Toosi reported from Islamabad. Associated Press writers Munir Ahmad, Asif Shahzad and Kathy Gannon in Islamabad and Hussain Afzal in Parachinar contributed to this report.

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan — Pakistani soldiers attacked militant bases in the main al-Qaida and Taliban stronghold along the Afghan border Saturday as the nuclear-armed country launched its mos...
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- Dham4201 I'm a Fan of Dham4201 7 fans permalink
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Pakistan sucks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 10/18/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 93 fans permalink
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Dham, meet Vishix, Vishix, meet Dham. If you register Pakistan Sucks as a website, I'm sure you can get a billion Indians to visit, instead of trying to convince Americans here who just want to get Outathere :)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 10/19/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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ah yes now i remember why i stopped commenting on huf.fpo... because when u speak the truth you get censored.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 10/18/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 93 fans permalink
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Yet like the proverbial bad penny...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 10/19/2009
- sysmgr1345 I'm a Fan of sysmgr1345 16 fans permalink
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I'm sure there has been a big run on burkas lately, as these "brave" Jihadis begin dressing like the women they oppress, and just blend into the scenery.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 10/18/2009
- BlackYowe I'm a Fan of BlackYowe 58 fans permalink
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Major Ground Offensive will create another generation of bitter boys who hate the West and want to take up arms for God and country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 10/18/2009

Pakistan army is the last great hope before Armageddon.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 10/18/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 93 fans permalink
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If a conventional military assault won't work against 'terrorists' in Pakistan, why would it work in Afghanistan?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 10/17/2009
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I worked in Afgghanist--Taliban and Al Qaeda were swept from power within weeks,.
It worked in Pakistan-- Swat Valley was lafgely denuded of of Taliban.
Not every one of your c;ber Jiha.dist raves are coming true.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 10/17/2009

Uh...What happened then?

Why are they back? You don't make sense.

There is no war on terror. How can you have a "war" on a word? War on drugs. War on poverty. You name it, it never works. This isn't a military problem and we shouldn't be mixed up with these people. Pakistan and India, both of which have nuclear weapons, have been "at war" for hundreds of years. i remember these countries yelling and screaming at each other since i was a child. Now WE want to get involved? I don't think so. This is madness. it only serves the neocon view of the world- one of perpetual war.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-margolis/lies-drive-the-afghan-war_b_324194.html#postComment

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 10/18/2009
- cardineau I'm a Fan of cardineau 38 fans permalink
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Swat valley was completely distroyed of homes and places of dwelling. The pakistani forces shelled each little village to destruction. There certainly are no people of any sort left in these villages. But the refugee camps are full to overflowing and the Taliban and AQ recruitment is in full swing. You can fool some of the people, some of the time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 AM on 10/18/2009
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 191 fans permalink

You say, "I worked in Afghanistan..." You were there? If you weren't there is there a reason that your country doesn't fight there as our ally or in Iraq? I don't get it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 10/18/2009
- Dham4201 I'm a Fan of Dham4201 7 fans permalink
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After the Swat Valley assault, they just came back.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 10/18/2009
- george389 I'm a Fan of george389 4 fans permalink
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if you have no problem calling those who disagree with you, "apologists" for the other side, why do you insist on quoting the word terrorists? do you honestly feel you are not being dishonest or are you fine with being a propagandist for your side?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 10/18/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 93 fans permalink
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The word terrorist, like anti-semite, is misused. I'll put quotation marks wherever I feel they're warranted, thank you.
The Taliban is the Afghan National Resistance.
AQ is a band of CIA run mercenaries.
The Pakistani 'Taliban' is a group of fundamentalists run by India's RAW. Their goal is to destabilise Pakistan.
These are facts, written about in numerous foreign media, but not North America.
You're welcome.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 10/18/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 211 fans permalink

The Pakistan Army is trained for fighting a conventional war against the Indians, and are not trained to fight insurgencies such as this Besides, half of them are probably sympathetic to the militants

It shall be interesting to see how this plays out, but the Pakistanis need to realize that the nukes they have could actually lead to their annihilation, if their government begins to look so shaky that the world has to take actions to neutralize those nukes and their nuclear program instead of risking them falling into the hands of the terrorists

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 10/17/2009
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They better learn quick.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 10/17/2009

Pakistan is going borrow AlGore's lock box.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 10/17/2009
- cardineau I'm a Fan of cardineau 38 fans permalink
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Here we go again! The Taliban, following time honored tactics will scatter and disappear. The civilian population will bear the brunt of the destruction and deaths. The thousands of refugees will half starve and freeze in refugee camps if they are lucky. And after the campaign is over and thousands of militants claimed killed, and victory declared, the Taliban will emerge to fight another day. The only thing really accomplished will be that the displaced refugees will now support the Taliban in greater numbers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 10/17/2009
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Og, well then we should all surrender to your Ji.ha.dist pals then.
Dream on...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 10/17/2009
- cardineau I'm a Fan of cardineau 38 fans permalink
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Your kind and the people you support will be the ones who eventually come to understand that you cannot extinguish terrorism with terrorism. The only solution to terrorism is justice the golden rule. Therefore, the only people who will have to surrender is quite evident.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 AM on 10/18/2009
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 191 fans permalink

Our president has asked Israel not to proceed with settlements that could iuncite violence aginst out fighting men and women. Unless your country is in compliance with our prersidents demnad s and/or is willing to comit troops, why do you have such opinions at all. The best thing you could do for our respective security is not to incite. This is a seriuous situation, not a game. You seem to be a dancing Israeli. Why do Americans have to die for this?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 10/18/2009

(from a notice pasted on all doors in South Waziristan)
From: Pakistan Army
Re: Imminent Ground Assault

ATTENTION PEOPLE OF SOUTH WAZIRISTAN:

In a few days we will be conducting a ground offensive in your neighborhood. Please to take only that which you can carry with you without injuring your back and leave the city. Only law-abiding citizens should heed this directive. If you are Taliban or Al-Qaeda, you are invited to stay for dinner.

This offensive will be lasting a few days. All homes, shops, schools and adult movie houses will be destroyed. Again, and this is very important, you must leave at once to avoid unpleasant sensations in your chest and abdomen. Unless of course, you are Osama bin Laden, in which case we will provide a limo and all the kidney medications you can choke down.

Sincerly yours, Pakistan Army.

P.S. please leave some cookies on the kitchen table, thankz

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 10/17/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 54 fans permalink
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The Taliban understand only one thing, power and force. There are no "moderate" Taliban. Pakistan is doing what they have to do. It is what NATO and the US must do in Afghanistan. There is no middle road with these radicals.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 10/17/2009

Scared much? Really. Are you just so scared that you will go out an annihilate everyone? fear is a terrible thing. it does things to the brain.

How do you now any of this? Have you been there? Have you done any research? Have you been keeping up with the effectiveness of your plans in the course of history? have you been keeping up with the last 10 years? The last 40 years?

You are just parroting stuff from right wing radio.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 10/18/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 54 fans permalink
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Dude, I can just simply look at the facts about the Taliban, see their record of how they treated their people, see their murderous treatment of women, and see their partnership with Al Queda (an organization dedicated to the destruction of the West) and as a result, can see they are ready to kill as many people as possible to achieve their totalitarian goals. Most people can see this but apparantly something is preventing you from seeing basic fact----its like hearing Hitler say he will take all of Europe and watching him bomb Poland and you saying, I don't know this for sure, I have not been there. Wake up, it is people like you that allow fascists to take power.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 10/18/2009
- SmellyOne I'm a Fan of SmellyOne 28 fans permalink
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If the Pakistanis can put pressure on one side of Waziristan, and the U.S. can pressure it from the Afghan side, maybe it will pop like a zit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 10/17/2009
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Keep thinking wabbit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 10/17/2009
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Keep droning on. lazerAhmed. Oh sorry... this is what your pals are afraid of..... how rude of me...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 10/17/2009

During 2004 campaign, John Jerry accused Bush of outsourcing the war against Taliban and Al Qaeda to Gen. Musharaff and giving him $billions.

He was silenced by the right wing, "swift boaters" and FOX news.

It is so true if you look at what has happened to that war today.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 10/17/2009

Dictator Musharaff pocketed Bush $billions. Now the new Government is facing the music.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 10/17/2009

What goes around comes around!. Now India can sit and watch.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 10/17/2009

Gee, nice supportive headline for one of our allies fighting a mutual enemy.

Imagine after 2001 had Pakistan had a headline "US Goes After Al Queda, Few Expect US to Succeed"

C'mon folks, show some editorial prudence.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 10/17/2009
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 257 fans permalink
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Agree. not a very smart idea.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 10/17/2009

Well, the headline would have been correct. I imagine this one will be too.

LOL
Big deal
This IS a movie that should have starred terry Thomas and peter Sellers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 10/18/2009
- niblik I'm a Fan of niblik 31 fans permalink

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the headline myself.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 10/18/2009
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