GOP, Democratic Senators Agree: Get Swine Flu Vaccination

The Hill:

Right-wing pundits like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have recently spoken out against government direction on the H1N1 vaccine, saying that individuals should make up their own minds whether to get vaccinated or not. Some left-wing pundits, such as Bill Maher, have made similar statements.

In the Senate, the topic has accomplished the rare feat of uniting Democrats and Republicans -- members of both parties are promoting vaccinations regardless of the rhetoric.

Read the whole story: The Hill

Comments

[PRISMGANG]

It is good to see that there are some smart people out there who know what the vaccines are made of and what devastation (not always immediately, many effects are long-term, and many don't show up right away, like cancer and a multitude of auto-immune diseases) is visited upon the people and animals injected with them. AS ALWAYS, the thinkers are in the minority - The ones who are calling Bill Maher names for speaking out against the H1N1 vaccine are repeating what they have been taught by vested interests or what they have been told. If they did any INDEPENDENT research, or even just looked up what vaccine ingredients do to the body, they would have to face the truth - John H. TIlden, MD, who wrote "Toxemia Explained" also wrote (referring to people who vehemently defend vaccination without knowing anything about it) : "Those who have their thinking done for them are always intolerant­."

[mofmars333]

Thank you for being another voice of reason.

We can't have too many of those.

To all the smart people, PRISMGANG, mentioned who care & know what's up, how about lending your voice of reason here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/20/suzanne-somers-new-target_n_328063.html?page=2&show_comment_id=33165425#comment_33165425show_comment_id=33165425#postComment

[TruelyFedUp]

Given the current Trivalent Flu strain ,miss-named Swine Flu, and the current Vaccine Propaganda to get vaccinated, and the effects of any vaccine to potentially cause body damage. Please see the video series of DR Andrew Moulden. This is landmark research and diagnostic evidence. http://www.youtube. com/user/ informationsansp rix#p/c/5B173BE9 9A025F19/ 0/32D_nIGtSnw

I want you all to BE Well and Stay Well !

Truly

[mofmars333]

OH MY GOD!

Thanks again Truly. We're lucky to have you helping get truth out. More & more seem to be coming all the time, thank goodness.

I tried to fix the link you sent.

They won't be able to explain this one away with their propaganda this time.

If this link won't work by clicking, cut & paste it. Close any gaps & remove any extra link it picks up, too.

If there ever was a must see video, this is the Mother

http://www.youtube.com/user/informationsansprix#p/c/5B173BE99A025F19/0/32D_nIGtSnw

Dr. Andrew Moulden, telling "US" like it is, only this time, after all that's transpired, it's going to stick.

Some have been fooled but others know full well the extent of crimes we've been up against on this matter of vaccinations.

People still backing them so religiously, after seeing all the evidence & learning all the many facts, are no less than criminals, who by association aided the guilty.

They guilty took what was meant for good & turned it against "US"

Their greed manufactured the cruelest hoax ever put on mankind & their reign is over.

Those really duped better choose the correct & moral side, real quick, & help "US" fight, to right the wrongs, now.

If there's any deniers left they're just not paying attention.

[mofmars333]

SOS

Here's my "Open Letter to Media" in part.

See the entire content demanding truth & fairness in reporting by clicking either of the two following links.

Join & stand with activists & save your family from mandated flu vaccines that may be coming your way.

Join the healthcare workers;

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NY-Vaccine-Strategy-Forum/message/1274

Join hundreds of group owners, patriots & citizens;

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED/?yguid=386499233

Do your part & help save our children. Google for emails of your favorite news anchors & networks & send your own message!

"Open Letter to Media***This is really big & so should coverage of the rally be"

You'll find details of upcoming rally below in this communication.

First, a word from the sponsors;

Drug Giant Merck – "Destroy" Critical Doctors "Where They Live

"Court evidence now available on-line at the University of California library shows drug giant Merck systematically targeted "hit-lists" of doctors to discredit, neutralize or destroy critics of the safety and effectiveness of
Merck's drugs."

This also included Andrew Wakefield who's a British medical doctor who put children's health & safety over autism & the MMR vaccine before his career & has been hounded by big money ever since.

[mofmars333]

Well people, truth's out big time & those working to deny the facts will soon be needing to find another line of work as big pharma will now be forced to revamp & get back to having the well being of our nation at heart.

Be sure & see this link;

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/

It's from the below articles that exposed "Merck" & vindicated the honorable Andrew Wakefield.

It has oodles of articles & reports of fact that have buried this vaccination matter in truth, to the point there will be no recovery in keeping up with the status quo.

We are on the road to recovery.

We can now begin to right the wrongs that will lead to the healing of our nation & ripple out to benefit the world.

[DI-1957]

The nasal vaccine is just now being administered. I don't think it is any coincidence that the flu is now all over our county. I have not read the insert but it is purported to say "contains live flu virus, avoid contact with anyone with compromised immune system, may be contagious for 21 days". That is freakin scary.
The german govt and military is being given a "special" vaccine, one that doesn't include thermosil, alum, and what else! There are many docs who fear the H1N1 vaccine.
Oh, Pharma is immune from any and all claims for damages, courtesy of our govt.

[TruelyFedUp]

Natural Remedies advice from a nurse
How to avoid getting the flu.

The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as proliferation is.

While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced (instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):

1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications) .

2. "Hands-off-the- face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any part of face (unless you want to eat, bathe or slap).

3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you don't trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents
proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one. Don't underestimate this simple,
inexpensive and powerful preventative method.

[TruelyFedUp]

4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water. *Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra Neti (very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but *blowing the nose hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population­.*

5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.

6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can. *Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse direction. They wash off
proliferating viruses from the throat into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm.

I suggest you pass this on to your entire e-list. You never know 20 who might pay attention to it - and STAY ALIVE because of it.
Truly

[Maxiesid]

For those that beleive that big pharma doesn't make money off of vaccines (ask yourself WHY you believe this) Financial Time articles entitled "Drug Groups to reap Swine Flu Billions" Published July 20, 2009 and "Novartis in warning on swine flu vaccine" July 16. (Both are articles for investors on how the stocks are doing)

[mofmars333]

Drug Giant Merck – “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live

"Court evidence now available on-line at the University of California library shows drug giant Merck systematically targetted “hit-lists” of doctors to discredit, neutralise or destroy critics of the safety and effectiveness of Merck’s drugs."

This included Andrew Wakefield who's a British medical doctor who put children's health & safety over autism & the MMR vaccine before his career & has been hounded by big money ever since.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/merckdestroydoccritics/

[drricklippin]

Completely botched by CDC (aided and abetted by WHO)

This virus has yet to demonstrate much lethality

But the hysteria continues as it relates even to shaking hands, hugging, wearing masks and even the taking of Holy Communion by Catholics. What next?

My main FEAR ABOUT H1N1 is that it will divert us from the central task of US health care reform

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

[Seldon]

These aren't exactly conflicting agendas. Giving people vaccines is pretty rudimentary and would not get in the way of health care reform. Unless of course you insist on screaming nonsense about vaccines.

[Principaldad]

"Much lethality"

Of course that depends on how you define lethality. Approximately 1/2% to 1% doesn't appear to be much, unless you or someone you know is in that small percentage. Out of 100,000 cases that is 500 to 1000 people. There have already been about 100 who have died in the US alone, and many more have been hospitalized. That is not trivial.

There has been some hysteria in the media, the desire to overplay the risk for the purpose of dramatic news stories. However, that does not remove the fact that 2009 H1N1 is at least as lethal as the seasonal flu, and more so among healthy young individuals. That makes it a public health concern that needs to be addressed.­.

[mofmars333]

Wakefield was framed just as we thought!

"Dr Andrew Wakefield Demolishes Ignorant US Vaccine Lobby"

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/andrew-wakefield-demolishes-ignorant-us-vaccine-lobby/

Sunday Times’ Discredited – Wakefield’s Autism Research Verified

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/wakefieldreplicated/

"UK Press Complaints Commission Orders Sunday Times “Remove MMR Journalist’s Stories” on Dr. Wakefield from Paper’s Web Site"

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/briandeerdowninflames/

"Sunday Times Defies Press Complaints Commission – News Releas-Sunday Times’ Stories Collapse In GMC Wakefield Prosecution"

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/sunday-times-stories-collapse/

"Sunday Times Defies Press Complaints Commission
Paper Notifies Media Oversight Agency that it Will Not Remove from its Website False Stories about MMR and Dr. Andrew Wakefield"

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/stdefiespcc/

"Sunday Times’ London Editor Must Quit Over False “Wakefield MMR Data Fixing” Story"

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/sunday-times-editor-must-quit-over-false-wakefield-mmr-data-fixing-story/

[mofmars333]

PHONE CALL PROOF MANDATORY VACCINATIONS USA Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msdj6HL-XRw&feature=related

PHONE CALL PROOF MANDATORY VACCINATIONS USA Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmxpgN2dRjk&feature=related

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/16/swine-flu-shots-revive-a-_n_323503.html#postComment

[jcause28]

The video on that had graphical references to the illuminati, so.... yeah. That kind of says a lot right there. Anyways. One major problem is that you keep posting youtube videos without any reference so there is no way to judge the validity, it's basically no better than referencing a playground conversation. If you want to argue your case, which I doubt is possible to do rationally, then use peer reviewed scientific journals and articles. Science. On an ideological level, how can you argue this extremely skewed constitutional view against public safety? The science clearly shows that vaccines save lives. There is no secret plot to kill people through the H1N1 vaccine. The method for production is a reliable one. The benefits far outweigh the very slim risks . Sure, it's a choice, but quite frankly, I'm tired of people who don't understand the science of vaccines trying to spread fear while they are putting many, many people at risk. and probably for some skewed ideology at that.

[mofmars333]

A major problem is, I keep posting you tube videos?

If you'd watch them you'd see the references are always legit.

Most are from major news networks with solid backing so you're wrong about credibility, right there.

Others have reputable doctor's & credible individuals with incredible fact & information that can't be denied by thinking people paying attention.

I know you on the other side of this atrocity of this issue don't like videos, maybe because you can't find any to back up your rhetoric, as no one would wants their name on bogus information that can be disseminated & picked apart as easily as that would be.

Again with the peer reviewed scientific journals?

It's common knowledge we no longer take the word of the foxes guarding the hen house who we've learned have conflicted & vested interests.

Anyone can google, "common practice to fake studies and pay doctors to put their names on them"

Between Andrew Wakefield being vindicated by law & honest studies on our horizon, you guys shilling will have to find something else to do.

Because;

FINALLY!

THE CALVARY HAS ARRIVED.

NVIC Launches Research Fund To Study Health & Vaccination http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/October-2009-(1)/NVIC-Launches-Research-Fund-To-Study-Health-Vacc.aspx

Help by passing this good news on to everywhere you can, people.

When you accuse "US" of spreading fear while putting many, many people at risk, this is what is called the "mirrored image" & that shoe, some in your camp must wear.

[mofmars333]

As for science clearly showing vaccines save lives & the benefits "far" outweigh the "very slim risks" as you put it, that's a bold faced untruth.

Try telling that to the many & growing number of parents coming forward out of frustration & desperation & raising their voices to high heaven, won't you.

They know what they witnessed as their children became, injured & some even died directly after vaccination.

Then duped & some unscrupulous doctors who were trained to take the heat off the guilty adding insult upon injury has been unforgivable & a living nightmare for many.

Too many.

"Very slim risk", my foot.

So here's the real truth that the masses are finally realizing.

"The public is now getting lots of medical propaganda about the eradication of smallpox through vaccination.

But in fact, the consensus among leading medical historians that have studied the question have maintained that the eradication of the zymotic, or "filth" diseases, like cholera, dysentery, typhus, plague, in the past that are popularly attributed to mass vaccination campaigns, had actually been due to improvements in diet, hygiene, sanitary measures, non-medical public health laws, and to a host of new non-medical technologies, like refrigeration, faster transportation, removing horse manure from cities, and the like

(McKinlay, 1977; McKeown, 1979; Moberg & Cohen, 1991; Oppenheimer, 1992; Dubos, 1959)" http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public_health/truth_re_smallpox_vaccine.htm

[mofmars333]

DISEASE DECLINE BEFORE VACCINATION

http://www.superhealthy.com.au/disease-decline-vaccination

"The decline in infectious diseases in developed countries had nothing to do with vaccinations, but with the decline in poverty and hunger." - Dr Buchwald, M.D.

"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotic­s." - Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D

"The polio death rate was decreasing on its own before the vaccine was introduced, and there is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. Cases of polio increased after mass inoculations"

http://www.medicine-no.com/polio.htm

GRAPHICAL EVIDENCE SHOWS VACCINES DIDN'T SAVE US

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

More;

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html

[mofmars333]

Many people have been stricken with Guillain-Barré after being vaccinated.

We know FDR was probably stricken with Guillain-Barré syndrome;

Study raises doubt of FDR's polio;

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-10-30-fdr-usat_x.htm?csp=19_wxia

H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Panvax Manufacturer "Listed Guillian-Barre Syndrome as vaccine side effect"

http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/09/h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-panvax.html

"Nigeria: Polio Surge After Vaccine Virus Mutates"

http://allafrica.com/stories/200908170339.html

They say it can't happen here in the above link as it did in Nigeria.

But it has & still could happen again.

Your chances of being an unlucky guinea pig this time around have better odds than winning the lottery.

Lest we forget;

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDf5bytf8U

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk1ECvdgmmg

[mofmars333]

Last but not least, FYI, jcause.

Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

"This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

The Measles mortality graphs are enlightening and contradict the claims of Government health officials that vaccines have saved millions of lives.

It is an unscientific claim which the data show is untrue. Here you will also learn why vaccinations like mumps and rubella for children are medically unethical and can expose medical professionals to liability for criminal proceedings and civil damages for administering them.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

[Calblue]

what is going on in Germany regarding the swine http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4803801,00.html......not.....not a drop of flew shot into my body until I know what the truth is about this flu pandemic.

[javaz]

Whoa.
Novartis using cancer cells from animals in the vaccine?
That doesn't sound very good.

[javaz]

Two separate groups of doctors, nurses and health care providers have filed lawsuits in Washington St. and New York State, to halt the H1N1 vaccine because of safety concerns.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091015/ts_alt_afp/healthfluvaccinelegal

Firefighters in Arizona are refusing the vaccine because of safety concerns.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/145952

Not everyone who is concerned about the safety of the vaccine is a rightwinger, nor are they antivax.
We all have the freedom of choice so far concerning the vaccine and the ability to research and make the decision.
This not a political issue since it crosses party lines with nearly half of the adults polled refusing the vaccine.
I respect people's decision on this matter whether they choose to be vaccinated or not.
The level of anger directed at those of us who will not be vaccinated makes me wonder if there is an underlying fear in those choosing the vaccine.
I wish everyone luck and vaccinated or not, if you get sick, stay home.

[KrautMan]

I just recommended this thread to Richard Dawkins, because in here we can indeed watch evolution happening in real time. A very successful species as a whole, one part of its population is about to abandon the very property which led to the rise of the species - rational thinking. Don't want to foreclose how this will play out - but I keep thinking "dodo".

Maybe sad from an individual point of view, but overall without doubt a great step for mankind.