NASA Moon Bombing: LCROSS Photos Show Moon Blast Debris Cloud

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| 10/18/09 01:56 AM | AP

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LOS ANGELES — NASA's much-hyped mission to hurl a spacecraft into the moon turned out some worthwhile data after all, scientists said.

New images show a mile-high plume of lunar debris from the Cabeus crater shortly after the space agency's Centaur rocket struck Oct. 9.

"We were blown away by the data returned," Anthony Colaprete, the mission's chief scientist, said in a report Friday from the Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif., which managed the launch. "The team is working hard on the analysis, and the data appear to be of very high quality."

In media coverage before the impact, many observers said they were disappointed at the lack of spectacle.

But scientists said the mission was carried out for "a scientific purpose, not to put on a fireworks display for the public," said space consultant Alan Stern, a former NASA associate administrator for science.

By creating the debris cloud, scientists were able to use the $79-million Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite to sample and study the dust. The LCROSS itself crashed into the same crater four minutes after the Centaur's impact, right on schedule, while its companion spacecraft, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, was flying in lunar orbit 50 miles above the site to gather still more data.

But Michio Kaku, a professor at the City College of New York and host of "Sci Q Sundays" on the Science Channel, said NASA may be jumping the gun in calling the results "a smashing success," acting in response to public criticism of the mission.

"To be a spectacular success, we had to find large quantities of underground ice," Kaku told The Associated Press Saturday. He said scientists still have more work to do to analyze the data for the presence of ice or water.

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"They got beautiful pictures of the event, but that's not why we spent $79 million," Kaku said. "Ice on the moon is more valuable than gold."

The crashes created a man-made crater about one-fifth the size of a football field, Brown University geologist and LCROSS scientist Peter Schultz told The AP.

Colaprete said it was too early to say what the plume contained but that several clues, including the temperature of the flash created by the crash, will help scientists find out in coming weeks.

Finding significant amounts of water on the moon would be a major discovery, making eventual colonization easier than it would be if settlers had to transport water from Earth.

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On the Net:

NASA's LCROSS site: http://www.nasa.gov/lcross

LOS ANGELES — NASA's much-hyped mission to hurl a spacecraft into the moon turned out some worthwhile data after all, scientists said. New images show a mile-high plume of lunar debris from the...
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- Factonfact I'm a Fan of Factonfact 36 fans permalink

"Moon Bombing Photos Show Blast Made Giant Debris Cloud"

PhotoShop?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 10/20/2009
- Watain I'm a Fan of Watain 18 fans permalink
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America had to bomb the moon? To find out that there is more dirt under the dirt?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 AM on 10/20/2009
- mbaty I'm a Fan of mbaty 21 fans permalink

Tell us don't show us! It just takes so long to analyze the data...or maybe it takes a while to conjure up some fake data. Either way, they are sure taking their time. Stalling...
Thanks to whomever suggested I check it out:
www.darkmission.net
Oh, NASA, we forgive you already. Just tell us the truth. We'll get over it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 10/19/2009
- wolfmason I'm a Fan of wolfmason 27 fans permalink

"But scientists said the mission was carried out for 'a scientific purpose, not to put on a fireworks display for the public,'"

You know, people might actually be willing to give NASA the funding they need to be competitive with space programs in China and the EU if they literally "put on a fireworks display for the public" a few times a year.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 10/19/2009
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 171 fans permalink

You might be interested, then, in the launch of the Ares I-X test vehicle scheduled for Oct 27. It's little more than a fireworks display for the public, with hardly any scientific rationale whatsoever. Should be right up your ally.

It's a mass and volume mock-up of a fake Orion capsule, a fake Ares I upper stage, and a fake solid rocket booster 5th segment stacked on top of a real 4-segment Space Shuttle SRB, the only part of the vehicle that has a real rocket engine and control system in it.

We've never launched a single SRB before, without rigidly mounting them at both ends to the large external tank. There's concerns that it could fishtail like an arrow shot from a bow or fail in other spectacularly catastrophic ways.

The U.S. Air Force, which oversees range safety for all rocket launches off the eastern seaboard, is very nervous about this launch and only reluctantly gave NASA permission to proceed after a combination of dubious simulations and behind-the-scenes lobbying.

It should be a good show. I'd tune in at:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 10/19/2009

LOL - cool, self-destruct at 3 miles!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 10/19/2009
- davism97 I'm a Fan of davism97 17 fans permalink

After reading some of the "moons have rights too" comments I just have to say that I'm glad science isn't a democracy. Inanimate objects aren't subject to the same moral rights that lifeforms are subject to.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 10/19/2009

LOL - the moons are there for us to rape and pillage and destroy, just like we have with our own earth. We own them all!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 10/19/2009
- davism97 I'm a Fan of davism97 17 fans permalink

What exactly are we raping and pillaging on the moon?! Let's see there's no atmosphere or life on the moon. We shook a little dust loose from a crater. Is this raping and pillaging and destroying?

Inanimate rock rights ... that would be truly funny if it wasn't serious.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 10/19/2009
- LuckyLT2 I'm a Fan of LuckyLT2 12 fans permalink

"By creating the debris cloud, scientists were able to use the $79-million Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite to sample and study the dust."

"He said scientists still have more work to do to analyze the data for the presence of ice or water."


Uh, didn't we VISIT the moon already? If so, why the h3ll didn't they collect this information while they were there? Why would they spend "$79 million to sample and study the dust"? Again, why don't we have this already? I don't understand.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 10/19/2009
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Listen up Eintstein..
When we visited the moon, were VERY far away from where TODAY'S scientists think there may be water. And looking for water was NOT a part of any of the manned missions to the moon..at least not that I remember.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 10/19/2009
- LuckyLT2 I'm a Fan of LuckyLT2 12 fans permalink

Huh? Give me a coherent sentence before you start trying to explain science to me, Einstein Jr.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 10/19/2009

It seems to me that most of the lunar water would be on the dark side - you know... the side that we never see and the side that has all the alien bases and all that. LOL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 10/19/2009

actually, the poles' craters would and should contain vast amounts of ice, and finding it would be just grand. Between the solar wind, the lack of any magnetic flow protecting the moon's surface, and its small size and mass, the surface we see is bone dry. Our sahara would seem like an oasis in comparison.

This was good science. It was a successful effort. The results? We shall see.

Of course, them lunatics inside that crater may be unhappy, but, hell, so were the Indians in the Americas.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 10/19/2009

PHOTOSHOP!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 10/19/2009

I can't believe the ret@rds are still complaining about us "bombing" the moon. They took it literally.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 10/19/2009
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

Aren't we smart enough to figure out a way to perform analysis without being destructive?
Perhaps the moon is not meant to be penetrated in such a fashion - we do not know enough about it to know how this will effect it or what might be emited from the impact.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 10/19/2009
- Dnietz I'm a Fan of Dnietz 50 fans permalink
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this was not destructive.

the moon is hit by meteors many times more powerful than this regularly.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 10/19/2009

Maybe YOU don't know enough about the moon, but scientists at NASA do, so they decided it was a good idea.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 10/19/2009
- wolfmason I'm a Fan of wolfmason 27 fans permalink

We know that the moon is covered in GIGANTIC craters from billions of years of impacts stronger than this one. One only need eyes and common sense to infer as much.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 10/19/2009
- davism97 I'm a Fan of davism97 17 fans permalink

This is nothing compared to NASA's next test. You see they want to know what's at the center of the moon, so they're going to drill a hole to the center of the moon and drop a bunch of nukes down the hole. When the nukes go off we'll get to see the inside of the moon hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(This comment is 100% sarcasm aimed towards the people who think studying rocks in outer space is immoral)

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 10/19/2009

Question: Who is the fear monger now?!
Answer: HuffPost
Reason: The moon was not bombed

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 10/19/2009
- skunky93 I'm a Fan of skunky93 10 fans permalink

grunt.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 10/19/2009
- jsarets I'm a Fan of jsarets 171 fans permalink

LCROSS was not a bomb, and there's no reason to be surprised that it returned useful data. It worked as expected, probably much to the disappointment of the media, who preys on controversy and prays for failure.

NASA sucks at PR, and far too many people are morons who only ever want to be entertained.

This was a bargain mission, piggybacking on the same Atlas V launch that carried the considerably more valuable Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter on its mission to construct the highest-resolution 3D mapping of the lunar surface ever produced. We couldn't have done it for less.

We have this satellite orbiting around our planet, and it would be stupid of us not to learn as much about it as our technology allows. To argue that we shouldn't strike the moon with impact probes is like arguing that doctors shouldn't perform surgical biopsies to diagnose health problems.

We already know that there are at least some traces of water ice on the moon. What we don't know is if there may be substantial deposits of water ice in certain locations. For all the money we waste on wars and bailouts and such, this is SO worth the mostly American engineers we paid well to pull it off.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 AM on 10/19/2009

"We have this satellite orbiting around our planet, and it would be stupid of us not to learn as much about it as our technology allows. To argue that we shouldn't strike the moon with impact probes is like arguing that doctors shouldn't perform surgical biopsies to diagnose health problems."

No it really isnt. The moon is shared by everyone on the planet. unless all the governments of the world agree nobody should be striking the moon.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 10/19/2009
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

Agreed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 10/19/2009
- Dnietz I'm a Fan of Dnietz 50 fans permalink
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we blew up half of the pacific in the 50's and 60's with our nuke testing

we are in antartica now, and we drill and probe and cut

same with the north pole. people take what they need. japan takes entire icebergs.

this was not striking the moon. you have seen too many silly scifi movies. the moon is regularly hit with meteors much more powerful than this. nothing ever happens to it. look at the pictures of all the craters of all different sizes on the moon. those are from hits and they come all the time.

so now this bugs you? this is nothing. this is like digging a hole in your back yard with a shovel to see the dirt.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 10/19/2009
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This about the future exploration and colonization of planets other than our own, in order to preserve the human race.
Water is too heavy to bring on board in the amounts necessary to the needs of a a colony.
This experiment is vital IMHO.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 10/19/2009
- davism97 I'm a Fan of davism97 17 fans permalink

Nobody should be striking the moon? Why not? What moral reason can you give to not raise a little debri from a moon crater for scientific study? There is no danger at all to life on Earth. Your position is ridiculous.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 10/19/2009
- Pem3 I'm a Fan of Pem3 26 fans permalink
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They said they got cool data and pictures but did not say what they got it of?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 10/18/2009
- Chubbster I'm a Fan of Chubbster 36 fans permalink

"We were blown away by the data returned,"

Cool, but is there water? That was the whole point of the moon-bomb.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 10/18/2009

It takes time to analyze the data. Be patient.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 10/19/2009
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But we Americans are an impatient lot...we'll stand in front a microwave screaming HURRY!!
In the words of Jello Biafra...
"give me convenience, or give me death"

I knew this experiment was gonna bear fruit...we just gotta wait to see what the results are...
I am kinda excited about this...
Science rules!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/19/2009
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We really showed those MOON INSURGENTS didn't we?

E.f.f.i.n. fools we humans are!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/18/2009
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Really?
That's what you think this was?
Or are you being snarky?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 10/19/2009
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