Higher Jobless Rates Could Become The "New Normal"

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TOM RAUM | 10/19/09 02:29 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Even with an economic revival, many U.S. jobs lost during the recession may be gone forever and a weak employment market could linger for years.

That could add up to a "new normal" of higher joblessness and lower standards of living for many Americans, some economists are suggesting.

The words "it's different this time" are always suspect. But economists and policy makers say the job-creating dynamics of previous recoveries can't be counted on now.

Here's why:

_ The auto and construction industries helped lead the nation out of past recessions. But the carnage among Detroit's automakers and the surplus of new and foreclosed homes and empty commercial properties make it unlikely these two industries will be engines of growth anytime soon.

_ The job market is caught in a vicious circle: Without more jobs, U.S. consumers will have a hard time increasing their spending; but without that spending, businesses might see little reason to start hiring.

_ Many small and midsize businesses are still struggling to obtain bank loans, impeding their expansion plans and constraining overall economic growth.

_ Higher-income households are spending less because of big losses on their homes, retirement plans and other investments. Lower-income households are cutting back because they can't borrow like they once did.

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That the recovery in jobs will be long and drawn out is something on which economists and policy makers can basically agree, even as their proposals for remedies vary widely.

Retrenching businesses will be slow in hiring back or replacing workers they laid off. Many of the 7.2 million jobs the economy has shed since the recession began in December 2007 may never come back.

"This Great Recession is an inflection point for the economy in many respects. I think the unemployment rate will be permanently higher, or at least higher for the foreseeable future," said Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Economy.com.

"The collective psyche has changed as a result of what we've been through. And we're going to be different as a result," said Zandi, who formerly advised Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and now is consulted by Democrats in the administration and in Congress,

Even before the recession, many jobs had vanished or been shipped overseas amid a general decline of U.S. manufacturing. The severest downturn since the Great Depression has accelerated the process.

Many economists believe the recession reversed course in the recently ended third quarter and they predict modest growth in the nation's gross domestic product over the next few years. Yet the unemployment rate is currently at a 26-year high of 9.8 percent – and likely to top 10 percent soon and stay there a while.

"Many factors are pushing against a quick recovery," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the labor-oriented Economic Policy Institute. "Things will come back. But it's going to take a long time. I think we will likely see elevated unemployment at least until 2014."

At best, many economists see an economic recovery without a return to moderate unemployment. At worst, they suggest the fragile recovery could lose steam and drag the economy back under for a double-dip recession.

"We will need to grind out this recovery step by step," President Barack Obama said earlier this month.

Obama and congressional Democrats are having a hard time agreeing on how to keep the recovery going and help millions of unemployed workers – short of another round of stimulus spending amid rising voter alarm over soaring federal deficits.

So far, they've been unable to win even a simple three-month extension of unemployment insurance for people in states with jobless rates above 8.5 percent.

The extension easily passed the House earlier this month but is bogged down in the Senate over disputes over which states would get the funds. Hundreds of thousands of people have already lost their benefits or are about to lose them.

The White House credits the president's $787 billion stimulus plan passed in February for keeping job losses from becoming even worse. Since Obama took office in January, the economy has lost 3.4 million jobs.

Republicans argue that the stimulus program has not worked as a job producer and is a waste of tax money. And last week, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce launched a multimillion advertising campaign to celebrate small business entrepreneurs – and to argue that further government intervention will not spur permanent job growth.

Chamber leaders called for creation of more than 20 million new private-sector jobs over the next decade, saying it's needed to replace jobs lost in the recession and to keep pace with population growth.

"The government can support a few jobs in the short-run" while free enterprise is the only system that can create 20 million of them, said Thomas Donohue, the chamber president.

To many economists, such a goal seems unreachable given today's altered economic landscape.

"It's a new normal that U.S. growth is going to be anemic on average for years. Right now, the prospect is bleak for anything other than a particularly high unemployment rate and a weak jobs-creating machine," said Allen Sinai, president of Decision Economics Inc. He says he doubts that unemployment will dip below 7 percent anytime soon.

Many economists consider a jobless rate of 4 to 5 percent as reflecting a "full employment" economy, one in which nearly everyone who wants a job has one. After the 2001 recession the rate climbed to 5.8 percent in 2002 and peaked at 6.3 percent in 2003 before easing back to 4.6 percent for 2006 and 2007.

Will unemployment ever get back to such levels?

"I wouldn't say never. But I do think it's going to be a long time," said Bruce Bartlett, a former Treasury Department economist and the author of the book "The New American Economy: The Failure of Reaganomics and a New Way Forward."

"The linkage between growth in the economy and growth in jobs is not what it was. I don't know if it's permanently broken or temporarily broken. But clearly we are not seeing the sort of increase in employment that one would normally expect," said Bartlett.

WASHINGTON — Even with an economic revival, many U.S. jobs lost during the recession may be gone forever and a weak employment market could linger for years. That could add up to a "new normal"...
WASHINGTON — Even with an economic revival, many U.S. jobs lost during the recession may be gone forever and a weak employment market could linger for years. That could add up to a "new normal"...
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- Indon I'm a Fan of Indon 12 fans permalink

Last I checked, when a recession led to depressed employment and real economic growth for years to come, that phenomenon was called a Depression.

And yet, we're still not calling it the Second Great Depression.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and promises our society an indefinite period of economic stagnation, then we're not just in a recession anymore.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 10/22/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 15 fans permalink

81% of economists say the U.S. recession is over, says a National Association for Business Economics survey. The majority of respondents are signing the new status quo -- that the economy grew 3% in the third quarter. Interestingly, 54% said the economy won’t regain the jobs it’s lost during this downturn until 2012, and about a third say the worst is yet to come for home prices.

So outside of your job (your biggest source of income) and your house (biggest investment), everything should be just fine.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 10/20/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 62 fans permalink
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And it appears that the plan is to keep saying it until some morning everyone wakes up and goes on a shopping binge.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 10/20/2009
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Is the recession over? Maybe for the power brokers on wallstreet but not for your average joe still looking for a job on the streets of california. My jobsearch website www.vlitzo.com has only been live for a little over a week and has already recieved over 20,000 visits from california alone. Being there unemployment rate is peaking at 12.3% i am not suprised.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 10/20/2009
- Winston120 I'm a Fan of Winston120 42 fans permalink
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The so-called re-investment act money could have been used for a dozen massive infrastructure projects that would have made a difference, education focus on putting American kids on a path to be scientists and engineers (instead of money for the semi-literate that will never amount to anything), and real and sustained financial suuport to the true employment engine: small business.

It was obvious this bill was passed thru without much thought for job creation and the WH shills say "give it time". What a joke. Try this line on your boss when you did not meet goals.

Instead we had one huge pork pie, dilute, ineffective, and slow.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 10/20/2009

"John Williams, who runs a Web site called Shadow Government Statistics, does his own calculations each month that adjusts U-6 to include an estimate of the number of “long-term†discouraged workers - those who have been in that category for more than a year - and fall off the BLS radar. By his count, the unemployment rate hit 21.4 percent last month."

An aggressive second federal stimulus package is needed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 10/20/2009
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Can Obama follow the Michigan Granholm road into economic disaster? YES HE CAN!

I fear that he plans to. Taxing the nation into universal poverty appears the goal.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704322004574477363965641226.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 10/20/2009
- Hobbit78 I'm a Fan of Hobbit78 3 fans permalink

Thanks, George! Thanks, Ronnie!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 10/20/2009
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Actually George and Ronnie did quite well for us. It's the liberal Democrats who are creating disaster. Obama's certainly pushing the disaster cart as hard as he can.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 10/20/2009
- Hobbit78 I'm a Fan of Hobbit78 3 fans permalink

Actually, they didn't. We hit $1T debt during Ronnie, and George took us from $5.5T to $11T debt. They managed to do this while dismantling every social safety net they could. Nice try, though.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 10/20/2009

Obama is not fixing bad trade deals like he promised.
Carpool and campout and hang out at your elected representatives lawn and sidewalk!!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 10/20/2009
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How many times does it have to be said that NAFTA is distroying the US job market.
Now it seems that we are being encouraged to accept a lower standard of living so US companies can make more profit off of us.
We are heading to 3rd world status at a frightening pace.
I will say it again and again if needed END ALL FREETRADE AGREEMENTS with any contry that does not have a standard of living like ours, DO NOT BRING US DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.
Everyone needs to e-mail the President and senators to demand our jobs and standard of living back.
It is up to us to force action now before it is to late

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 10/20/2009
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How many times? Once is too much. NAFTA is NOT destroying American jobs. Without international trade, Ohio would have lost even more jobs, for example. This mindless, thoughtless economic isolationism and jingoism is to be deplored. It's a small world after all, as Walt Disney's exhibit said. It's a global economy. One cannot build a big protectionist fence around the USA.

Think further than the end of your nose.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 10/20/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 63 fans permalink

Da** !
I can't believe I volunteered a whole year for this !!
Mr. President you promised not to forget the poor and middle class sir !!
What the He** happened !!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 10/20/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

Higher jobless rates will not become the norm because of the laws of political reality. If the jobless rate is above 9% next year, the dems will pay a hefty price in midterms. That is reality. Yes, the unemployment rate is a product of the second Bush recession, but that is irrelevant. Whoever is in power at the time of voting will be punished, regardless of long term causes. Similarly, if the unemployment rate is above 6% in 2012, Ob-a-ma will not win a second term, not matter how good a president he is. Just ask J1mm.y C.a.rter. The jobless rate is a political hot potato and it puinshes and rewards those in currently power, not necessarily those responsible or to blame. Ultimately, the easy quick fix path will be taken by someone to bring the jobless rate down and long term reform will be sacrificed. The question is merely whether Ob-a.ma does so or whether the next admin does so. But ultimately, short term sacrifice for long term stability is a losing proposition. As the famous line goes, "people don't eat in the long term; they need to eat each day."

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 10/20/2009
- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 53 fans permalink

Welcome to ObamaLand, enjoy your stay.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 10/20/2009

Accurate and succinct.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 10/20/2009
- valkyrie607 I'm a Fan of valkyrie607 106 fans permalink
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How can one be succinct in stating absolutely nothing?

I swear, people get dumber every day.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 10/20/2009
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More jobless, unemployed people--that IS the norm in socialist countries. It's another reason that, were we reasonable people, we wouldn't want to continue down that road.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 10/20/2009
- valkyrie607 I'm a Fan of valkyrie607 106 fans permalink
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Which socialist countries?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 10/20/2009
- gorgol I'm a Fan of gorgol 30 fans permalink

But the standard of living of our Bailed Out Wall Street Crooks keeps going up.....because of decisions made by "retired" Wall Street Crooks that work in the Obama Administra­tion....(a­nd Bush had them too).

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 10/20/2009
- SangZe I'm a Fan of SangZe 34 fans permalink

Change we can believe in.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 10/20/2009
- The Meek I'm a Fan of The Meek 10 fans permalink
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With the technology we have today there is no need for people to work 40 hours a week. Overworking employees just cuts down on their productivity. There are a lot of ways a smart buisness can help their employees lower their cost of living and by doing so increasing their competitiveness.

Americans also have to realize that shopping is not a form of entertainment and that buying crap will not make them happy.

Turn off your TV.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 10/20/2009
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