House Cuts Health Bill Price To $871 Billion: AP Source

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ERICA WERNER and DAVID ESPO | 10/20/09 11:08 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — House Democrats are aiming to scale back the cost of their health care bill to well below President Barack Obama's preferred price tag by giving the government a strong hand in selling insurance in competition with the private market.

Obama has sought to spend no more than $900 billion over a 10-year period. The initial cost of the House bill was more than $1 trillion. On Tuesday, House Democratic leaders received a new cost estimate of $871 billion from congressional budget umpires who measured a robust version of a so-called public option for health insurance, according to a Democratic aide.

The figures were preliminary because no final decision on the design of the public plan had been made, said the aide, who requested anonymity in discussing the bill because the deliberations were private.

House Democrats worked on their legislation as senior Senate Democrats signaled they intend to try to strip the insurance industry of its exemption from antitrust laws as part of an upcoming debate over health care.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Sen. Patrick Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, announced plans to hold a news conference on the issue Wednesday along with Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

If approved, the change would bring the insurance industry under stricter federal regulation. While a 60-vote majority is likely to be required for passage, the decision by top Democrats to seek a vote underscores the antagonism that lately has sprouted between advocates of Obama's ambitious health care plan and insurance companies who are dissatisfied with key features of the legislation.

The House bill with the strong public plan would extend coverage to 96 percent of uninsured Americans and significantly reduce budget deficits.

A $871 billion bill in the House would be in line with the leading Senate bill, the $829 billion measure approved last week by the Senate Finance Committee.

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other liberal lawmakers have joined Obama in calling for a public insurance program as a way to drive down the costs of insurance. Republicans have opposed government-run insurance and vowed to vote against a bill establishing a public option.

Pelosi assembled Democratic lawmakers Tuesday night to try to sell them on her preferred version of the public plan, which would link payment rates to providers to Medicare rates, plus an additional 5 percent for doctors. Moderates have been concerned that those rates are too low and would hurt hospitals and other providers particularly in rural areas.

Several lawmakers said they were getting close to the 218-vote majority needed for the stronger version.

"That's certainly where a large majority of the caucus is," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.

Leaders in both the House and the Senate were trying to finalize bills in time to begin floor debate in the next several weeks. Whether Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., would include a public insurance plan in the Senate version was not clear.

In the Senate, legislation giving doctors $247 billion in increased Medicare fees over the next decade veered toward collapse, a victim of bipartisan concern over growing federal deficits.

Key lawmakers worked privately on a far less costly bill that would avert a 21 percent cut scheduled to take effect on Jan. 1 and give physicians an increase of .5 percent in 2010 and 2011.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., said he and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, were discussing a possible compromise that would cost $25 billion over two years and – unlike the original measure – not raise federal deficits.

The nation's debt "doubled during the last administration and if we don't do something, it's going to double again in the next eight years," Conrad said.

Anything less than the 10-year bill would mark a defeat for the American Medical Association, which has made a priority of legislation to create a new program to assure doctors reliable annual fee increases. The organization has aired television commercials in several states at a cost of $1 million or more and dispatched top officials to the Capitol in recent days to lobby lawmakers.

"Congress needs to fix this problem once and for all," AMA President Dr. J. James Rohack said in a statement. "No more Band-Aids."

The developments occurred as Senate leaders and White House aides met for the second straight day in the Capitol in hopes of agreeing on comprehensive health care legislation. Participants in the talks said no decisions had been made about key issues, including proposals for government insurance.

Obama has made an overhaul of the nation's health care system a top priority. Speaking at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser in New York on Tuesday, he said Democrats tend to have their "intramural fights" but that the American people desperately need a good bill to pass.

"I want all the Democrats who are in the House to understand what a profound potential achievement this is and stay focused on the goal line," Obama said. To his Republican critics, he said he welcomed a fierce debate over the final details but added that he would not stand for "folks sitting on the sidelines and rooting for failure."

All the health overhaul bills on Capitol Hill would require, for the first time, that most Americans purchase insurance. Lower-income individuals and families would receive federal subsidies to defray the cost, and small businesses would receive government help to pick up part of the cost of covering their employees.

Legislation would also include consumer protections such as a bar on the insurance industry's current practice of denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. Obama also wants any bill he signs to rein in the nation's spiraling medical costs.

WASHINGTON — House Democrats are aiming to scale back the cost of their health care bill to well below President Barack Obama's preferred price tag by giving the government a strong hand in sell...
WASHINGTON — House Democrats are aiming to scale back the cost of their health care bill to well below President Barack Obama's preferred price tag by giving the government a strong hand in sell...
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- NORBIT I'm a Fan of NORBIT 45 fans permalink
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(13) Democratic Senators voted against Reid's Trojan Horse! - Kudos to them!!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 10/21/2009
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STOP THE NONSENSE!

Reid just put the $250 Billion Medicare outlay to doctors off-budget so it wouldn't show up in the Health Legislation, with the intent of adding it later! (Economics 101)

It's called DECEPTION - and he played it on the American people!

Remember this next year all you Nevada Voters!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 10/21/2009
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And I'm STILL waiting...

According to the article: "The House bill with the strong public plan would significantly reduce budget deficits."

Does anybody here have an explanation of how this would happen, or do you all just accept remarks like this by rote?

Who are the REAL ditto-heads?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 10/21/2009
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"Does anybody here have an explanation of how this would happen, or do you all just accept remarks like this by rote?

Question and it's been answered in various articles in recent weeks if not longer.

Considering the vernacular in your last question, you are probably unreceptive to any answers offered here so feel free to research on your own.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 10/21/2009
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I've been sifting through those articles, and asking the question repeatedly.

No one seems to know.

Which indicates there is no basis for the remark other than spin. Democrats KNOW there is a large contingent in American concerned about the deficit, so they pander to them.

Look how Obama ran on a platform of deficit reduction; but once in office he QUADRUPLED it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 10/21/2009
- LightGreen I'm a Fan of LightGreen 30 fans permalink
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From the article :

The figures were preliminary because no final decision on the design of the public plan had been made, said the aide, who requested anonymity in discussing the bill because the deliberations were private.

Basically, same ole shuck and jive.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 10/21/2009
- MBWinters I'm a Fan of MBWinters 2 fans permalink
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Greetings Citizens....

Frantic Rush of Lemmings

Are we approaching this problem like a frantic rush of lemmings with total disregard to the consequences or end result?

Warm regards,

Michael Winters

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 10/21/2009
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Gabu2,

If you don't mind, would you please post your questions again for those of us who recently joined the thread?

Thanks

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 10/21/2009
- quoveritas I'm a Fan of quoveritas 6 fans permalink
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That sounds like a good news story. Would you care to elaborate?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 10/21/2009
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Not everyone realizes this.

When an applicant for health insurance is refused. Some insurance companies enter specifics in databases for other insurance companies to access. Some applicants are penalized for having been refused. It's like a credit rating system but used to rate your health. These databases aren't always accessible by consumers.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/21/2009
- quoveritas I'm a Fan of quoveritas 6 fans permalink
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That sounds like a good news story. Would you care to elaborate?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 10/21/2009
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What's good about that story?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 10/21/2009
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More in the media should have focused on this. There is still time to look into it. The issue isn't new but it's certainly a neglected story.

"Getting rejected by one insurer won't make it impossible to get coverage with another company, but it can make it more difficult. Most health insurance applications ask whether you've been rejected in the past, and prospective insurers will note your answer when deciding whether to offer you coverage. The best strategy is to do some research before you apply anywhere to minimize the chance you'll get a rejection on your record and make your insurance search a lot more efficient."

http://www.kiplinger.com/columns/ask/archive/2007/q0809.htm

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 10/21/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 17 fans permalink

Dems have offloaded $247 billion of the cost into a different bill, the "doc fix", sponsored by Debbie Stabenow. That's fully 28% of the price tag for the whole $871 billion reform project. NONE of that $247 billion is being offset by taxes or spending cuts. I repeat, NONE. It all goes straight into the deficit. Yet Dems wants us to believe reform is deficit neutral. It's absurd.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 10/21/2009
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You are absurd.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 10/21/2009
- HSimpson I'm a Fan of HSimpson 8 fans permalink
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now stick out your tongue and make that raspberries sound. c'mon, the guy deserves a better response than that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 10/21/2009
- quoveritas I'm a Fan of quoveritas 6 fans permalink
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And your proof of this is from....?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 10/21/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 17 fans permalink

Proof? You heard of Google? Lots of major news outlets are carrying the story. The Washington Post wrote a scathing editorial about it two days ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/18/AR2009101801995.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/21/2009
- HSimpson I'm a Fan of HSimpson 8 fans permalink
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uh history I think, sight a bunch of cr@p from some web site? Nothing in the HlST0RY of the federal government has EVER come in on time or on budget.

If that is not true let someone here prove THAT. c'mon, really now.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/21/2009
- jhallbo I'm a Fan of jhallbo 3 fans permalink
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It's to reimburse the doctors for medicare, something that the repugs say a public option won't do. So you complain about the problem, then you complain about the solution.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 10/21/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 17 fans permalink

I'm complaining that they're blatantly trying to hide $247 billion of the cost of reform by putting it in a separate bill. They think the voters are stupid enough to be fooled. It's disgusting. Clearly, by any honest accounting that $247 bil should be added to the $871 bil.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/21/2009
- HSimpson I'm a Fan of HSimpson 8 fans permalink
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If I'm hearing you right....(­dunno)....­.you are saying that this is to reimburse Dr.s for the underpayment they get for providing service to medicare patients?

...............what the..........why don't they just............I mean thats ridicules.....Pay them the right amount in the first place for cripes sakes.....­or......do­es that mess up the numbers somehow..... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 10/21/2009
- chancho24 I'm a Fan of chancho24 110 fans permalink
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The CBO checked the Baucus bill throughly and said it was deficit neutral.
The Repubs relied on this report early on, and now they are trying misinformation.
Pathetic.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 10/21/2009
- Truthahn I'm a Fan of Truthahn 17 fans permalink

Nope. In the earlier versions of his bill, Baucus never was able to fix the problem of doctor compensation for Medicare. His new solution: dump the cost into a separate bill.

A bill that costs $247 billion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 10/21/2009
- KIVPossum I'm a Fan of KIVPossum 43 fans permalink
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It it goes over budget then we'll just waive off invading countries for a few years. That'll more than make up the different. Although probably pee of the repub - death and destruction is always more attractive to them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 10/21/2009
- austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 215 fans permalink

GaBu2,,you are welcome to read my response,,,it's all in your Face.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 10/21/2009
- gmailliw I'm a Fan of gmailliw 210 fans permalink
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More nuttiness:


“We call them progressives now, but back in Samuel Adams’ day, they used to call them tyrants. A little later, I think they were also called slave owners,"

--GIenn Be.ck


http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/20/beck-slave-owners/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 10/21/2009
- chancho24 I'm a Fan of chancho24 110 fans permalink
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Glenn Beck can spew until he pees on his pants.
Most people know he's as credible as pigeon poop.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 10/21/2009

Anyone have any info on the expected anti trust press conf ? Reid/Schumer/Leahy ? Supposed to be today.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 10/21/2009
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See the main.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 10/21/2009
- GaBu2 I'm a Fan of GaBu2 42 fans permalink
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austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 I'm a fan of this user 133 fans permalink

Your side, is standing in the way of History,,an about to get rolled over.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 10/21/2009

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Firstly, what is 'my side'? Provide evidence, not the opinions of you or your ilk, hard evidence.
Secondly, history is something that has happened already, i.e. in the past, how can you stand in the way of something that's already gone?

You can stand in the way of progress, or development, or even the making of what might become an historic event, but you cannot stand in the way of history.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 10/21/2009
- SueInCA I'm a Fan of SueInCA 265 fans permalink
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So you used up all that space to say nothing? You might want to let the adults take it from here.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 10/21/2009
- GaBu2 I'm a Fan of GaBu2 42 fans permalink
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Don't hate because you don't understand it.

I bet you plenty of brilliant people here understand it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 10/21/2009
- HSimpson I'm a Fan of HSimpson 8 fans permalink
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and.......­.......wou­ld anyone object now if a party in Germany were able to circumvent the Nazi party taking over full control of the German government? That would have been "standing in the way of history" ..........­.........s­o.........­......I guess they would have been against that.

EVERYTHING ENDS UP BEING HISTORY...­.........j­ust not all of history is remembered as good.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 10/21/2009
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Incredibly false comparison.

But you knew that.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 10/21/2009
- austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 215 fans permalink

Let me explain it,,so even you can understand it. There will be a Health Care Reform Bill, with a very Strong Public Option. The history I speak of is this,,, it will be the first time, in US History that any Congress and President, passed a Bill that provide an Affordable Health Insurance Program for all American citizens,,,,those could were for it,,and those who were against it. The Bill will end the decades long grip, that Health Insurance Companies, have had on the American people. That in itself, will be History. The Republican Party will also, be a MAIN FOCUS , of this Historical piece of Legislation. Did that answer your question?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 10/21/2009
- GaBu2 I'm a Fan of GaBu2 42 fans permalink
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You haven't answered any of my questions. You've ignored the first and strengthened my point on the second.

You believe the republicans are standing in the way of what will be an historic event. If the event were history, it would have happened already. History is in the past, not the future.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 10/21/2009
- HSimpson I'm a Fan of HSimpson 8 fans permalink
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I believe you are correct, that being said, whether or not it is looked upon 100 years from now as a great moment in history, or the beginning's of a once great country's death rattle, we will have to wait and see. .......well I mean......I won't see but......you know what I mean

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 10/21/2009
- LightGreen I'm a Fan of LightGreen 30 fans permalink
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I want all here to know that, as of today, I, yes me, am coming out in FULL support of federally mandated Health Care Liability Insurance !!

There, I've said it!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 10/21/2009
- GaBu2 I'm a Fan of GaBu2 42 fans permalink
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..and you are?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 10/21/2009
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Sooooooooooooo.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 10/21/2009
- HSimpson I'm a Fan of HSimpson 8 fans permalink
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is this some kind of out of the closet moment?? I dunno, what the heII...............

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 10/21/2009
- austin4 I'm a Fan of austin4 215 fans permalink

Do you want your box of cookie, now or later?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 10/21/2009
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Where is Hume?

I just read his reply to me. Ha! That was a cheap flag!


I owe you, Hume.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 10/21/2009
- Bubba Gump I'm a Fan of Bubba Gump 187 fans permalink
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Fetching a bowl of ice cream.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 10/21/2009
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Makes sense. Thanks.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 10/21/2009
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Private Insurers are a cancer in the system. A cancer that has spread throughout the body of health-care. If allowed to remain it will destroy its host...there is no question.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 10/21/2009
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